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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week. Jason, does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long going? We're back in this bitch. Beautiful sunny day here in Los Angeles. Thank God Jason is with me and not stuck in a submarine dying a slow death looking for the remains of the Titanic. He's here. He's available to podcast. And that is something that I can be thankful for. So I'm glad you're here, Jason. How are you feeling? I feel pretty great. I just got home from the gym, pumped it up. Had a smoothie. I'm drinking the smoothie now. Everything is perfect. My life is on track and I'm doing great. I'm drinking the smoothie now. So there's a fairly big announcement today from our friends over at Live Nation Inc. They're taking the goths to your hometown of Huntington Beach for something called Darker Waves Fest. that is headlined by New Order, Tears for Fears, and then continues Devo, Soft Cell, X, TSOL. Oh, TSOL. Come on, guys. I know. Death in Vegas, Kavinsky, The Cardigans. She Wants Revenge. Kavinsky? That's right. The Cardigans? Is there anything I want to see less than New Order in Huntington Beach Outdoors? Maybe. I can't think of anything. Unfortunately, out of all those bands, that's...

I think New Order is the only... I've actually never seen New Order play, which is a travesty because they're one of my favorite bands of all time and they play so many shows still for how old they are. I'm definitely going to go. You said this is a Golden Voice production? No, it's Live Nation, but I'm sure. Oh, Live Nation. Okay, well, then I'm not going. Fuck that. I don't fuck with the nation, baby. The only nation is the nation of Islam, the Cherokee Nation. Those are the only nations I fuck with, yeah. I guess I'm just a little bit, you know, obviously the festival business is what keeps everything going because they're able to pay bands a fortune for a 45-minute set. But the setting always seems to be, at least for a certain kind of band, maybe not ideal. You know what I mean? Do I want to see any of these bands outdoors? No. Do I want to see any band outdoors? Maybe no. Also, if it's in Huntington Beach, potentially on sand. Yeah, that's what I... Because they have... I know where this... I don't know exactly, but... There's not like giant venues in Huntington Beach where you can have like, you know, a big festival. I think it has to be on the beach and I think I know what it is and it's usually like... you know slightly stupid and the cottonmouth kings and then sublime featuring rome and you know huntington legends a band that's sort of nazi-ish not so much anymore i just i just don't know if i i just think some of this stuff is is is like i guess it works obviously it just seems like of course really the the just not ideal for seeing seeing bands well yeah i mean that's who cares Nobody cares. It is what it is. You can't go see your favorite giant band at an intimate theater unless you're a super cool person and I'm going to go see James Blake at the cemetery. It's kind of super chill. Gone are the days when you can go see a band in a setting that's not terrible if they're a big ass band. It's true. Unless they do a secret set at Soho House, like a secret Them Jeans DJ set. Or you can do the Bar Italia Takes New York where they play five shows in two days, which is also old school and I kind of like it. It's like we're going to play Mercury Lounge and then we're going to play a weird party with the Iron Pack at a house in Bed-Stuy. And all of them are going to sell out. So maybe the 700 to 1,000 people that want to see us can all see us.

they just got to go you know you just got to chase us around town yeah which i kind of that happened back in the day i mean the strokes did that all the time and bands in la you would be like oh the silver sun pickups they're doing like seven nights in a row all over you know the first at this place in this place in this place it's you know it's great to drum up buzz it makes sense but i i do i want to talk more about the submarine though because it's such a A juicy little... So these rich people paid $250,000, a quarter of a million dollars each to go inside of a locked, small, very small. When I saw how small it was, I was stunned. Yeah, I was claustrophobic on YouTube. Yeah, I'm claustrophobic seeing just a simple JPEG on Twitter. And they send it. I guess you pay. It's like the broke version of going to space with Elon, kind of. It's only $250,000. And they were going to view the remains of the Titanic, which seems like at this point couldn't be much. I mean, you know what I mean? Due to erosion and degradation. Yeah, exactly. The sea is a cruel beast, isn't she? Exactly. I'm not a scientist, but it seems like salt water and weather. Salt water can't melt steel beams. Is that what you're saying? I mean, I'm not. Look, I'm not a conspiracy theorist like you, but it just seems like this is an amazing racket. And if all of these people die. Do they deserve it? I don't want to say that, but I mean, I don't know if you saw this. This is breaking from TMZ.com, but one of the billionaires who is dying in the ocean, his son went to the Blink-182 show and was like, this is what I need to be doing. This helps me deal with pain. So the son was like, you know, I'm going through it right now. Dada is... You know, he drowned to death, you know, maybe 17 hours ago. What I need to do right now, and because I already got non-refundable tickets, is go see Blink-182 live at Red Rocks, and that's my therapy. Yeah, that's his therapy, and I mean... Honestly, that sounds psychotic, but it's also something that I have done, because I remember I went to the club on 9-11, because sure...

This is a bad national tragedy, but it happened a long ways away from West Hollywood. I got to make 500 tonight. I mean, you know, do they want me to suffer as well? No, I mean, I was not DJing. I mean, I was like a teen. Oh, you were just going to turn up. No, I mean, 9-11 was a long time ago. I was just like a little teeny bopper clubber. That was 2001. You were probably like 1920. I know what 9-11 was, Chris. It seems like you don't. I mean, it seems like you may know the September 11th part. This was before DJing when you said I needed to go make 500. This was when I made $500 a month. Okay. This was not. Okay. This is not. I got to go pick up a quick DJ set. This is when you were doing your sag style acting. When you were doing some of your guest spots. Yeah, this is when I was doing my featured extra work as well as making an assortment of graffiti hats. Okay. Good. Good to know. I'm glad you were. But do you think all these people are going to die? Do you think they deserve to die? are rich people as stupid as they keep telling us that they are? You know, because it's like, it's the same thing. I mean, this is an obviously more extreme version, but it's like when the rich guy buys the plane and he can't let someone else fly it because of his ego, he has to fly it, kills his whole family. You know, it's like, why not just be rich? Why can't you just relax, buy a Porsche and chill? Yeah, I think once you hit a certain age and you hit a certain number of dollars in the bank account where it doesn't matter anymore, you can just... buy anything every single day for the rest of your life and it doesn't matter then you have to start i mean they talked about this in the hbo show the other two however as soon as your bank account goes into the bees you just turn into an instant douchebag you lose all your hair you get face fillers and you have a giant thirst to go into outer space this this very second i just have it's just what happens to you i think you're like what what can i do I guess I can explore other places that other people in the world who don't have as much money as I do have access to. You can buy yourself into anywhere in America or on Earth, whatever. That's fine. But space and the sea. I get that. I get that, I guess. But just the risk is so... I mean, I guess maybe you just think you're... Living on the edge, baby. It's like the same...

The same energy as a teenager. You think nothing bad can happen to you. And maybe it comes back around at 60 when you're that rich that nothing bad can happen to you. But life experience should teach you that that's not the case. But I guess here we are. So these people are all going to die because they wanted to look at old stuff. And this is something to consider, Jason. Well, I think the part that's a little cruel is because we all do want to see... megalomantic billionaires kind of die you know or not die but just you want to see their lives be inconvenienced at the very least you know so when it's like oh kim karnashian's private jet had to had to do an emergency landing in santa fe everyone's like yeah that bitch should have a dose of reality i can't pay my child support this fucking bullshit world blah blah blah so I think it's a bummer once because they're showing they're rubbing it in by saying like here's the freak show who invented this company and he's controlling this with a Logitech gaming device controller and he's like I built this off of scrap parts from Home Depot and Amazon and you're wondering how did this person who has billions of dollars or millions of dollars trust this grifter to literally do one of the scariest final destination things you could ever do is just like go two and a half three miles Into the bottom of one of the deepest parts of the ocean in the world where it takes hours to get there. Just us talking about this, even with our stupid logic, it sounds insane. It sounds like what you just said. But I want to see billionaires kind of sit down at the table and break bread with me. I don't want to see them die. But I do think that the blood lust that we have for rich people makes something like this. people are loving this like people are loving it they're dunking on twitter and it's like yeah these 12 people are going to die because they want to see an old boat I think that's why they deserve to die, not because of being rich. Right, right. We got the technical foul. We don't need the and one. Let's just. Yeah, yeah. Like, let's just. Yeah, you know. They've paid with their life. It's crazy. It's crazy. But I think that this is going to end poorly. I mean, I like that you still keep thinking that they're alive or like they're not dead yet. Well, we haven't. Look, until I see a body, you know how I am. And unless I see the body, I'm not declaring anybody dead. I've learned the hard way over here. Yeah.

I've learned the hard way with some of my investigations. You don't want to call it before. Listen, rookie. I don't call it until I see the body of my hands. Exactly. I do a pulse check and then I'm calling it. In this town, I've seen it all. Okay? You got to be careful. You got to be careful with that. But yeah, it's going fucking down. Yeah, it's going down. I mean, it's going down. There's no other way to put it. It's an exciting week in entertainment, Jason, because we're getting. two pretty big things oh first of all you watch the john early special right oh yeah for yeah everyone i'm sure if you're listening to this you already aware are aware of it but if you haven't watched the hbo special which they appear to be Kind of shadow banning. It's definitely not featured at all anywhere on it, and you kind of have to dig into the bowels of HBO. Obviously, he's not a household name, but it's a very good special. John Early's special on Max is worth the subscription price. It really made me chuckle. Like last night, I was finishing it, and I couldn't really. I was annoyed because I was chuckling so hard. I was awake. You know what I mean? I'm trying to kind of drift to sleep. Yeah, don't watch it before bedtime, Chris. I was trying to drift to sleep, but Early's doing some of his classic. early style bits and i'm just you know i'm cracking up and the stuff that he does with his parents so funny so good so also i like that the band just laughs in the background like they can't even they can't play it cool they're just like laughing they've rehearsed it 700 times before and they're still just like god damn it The part, the shit where he tells them, where like he flirts with every member of the band and then goes up to the backup singers and tells them to back off was just like, I was fucking dying. It was so good. Sitting on the drummer's lap like, I can't do it. I don't know. Paradiddle? I don't know how to do that. My favorite part about it was when he was comparing. He was doing all the direct Trump quotes, you know, grab her by the pussy and I came on to her like a bit, you know, and saying like, this is how, I don't want to spoil it, but there's a part where he talks about that involving him being gay as well.

Really smart. Really well done. It was really good. The band was a nice twist. It was directed by Tim and Eric, both former guests of How Long Gone. No, not directed by. I'm sorry. Executive produced by. It was absolutely. The way it's done is really cool and keeps it moving in a way that I wasn't. It looks good. It looks great. I wasn't expecting. Well done. We also get, and just like that, season two. Wait, when does that happen? The same day as, I believe, as The Bear season two, which comes out on Thursday, starring our guest today. Fuck me. Eben Moss Bachrock, one of the homies. You probably know him from The Bear. Obviously, he plays Ricky. um or excuse me richie um but you you also uh know him from probably girls he's been in wes anderson movies you know several broadway productions i think he's a marvel motherfucker now he's been dead on law and order at least once star wars i know he's he's done it all and um and he's low-key been a zaddy For many years. Loki Zaddy. Father of two. Just a patron of the arts. You know what I mean? And of course, he's making bread, so we're going to mostly talk about his sourdough starter program. I hung out with him last week, and he was really on a tear. I learned a lot about him and kind of his personal style, which I also... Oh, I can't wait to dig in. I know you love to get into that stuff, but yeah, let's give Eben a jingle. there in Cobble Hill or whatever borough he lives in and we'll figure out what's going on. Lovely. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, sort of our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world... writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly. A website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative, but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools.

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The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions, but how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Eben, you're coming to us from your lair here. This really looks like a... I like this. Is this your house? This is my house. This is where I am like, I don't know, like 80% of the time for the last 15 years. Damn, bro. I inhabit this space. Is this your room at the house? Is this your office or is this the general living quarters? This is the general. There's like just a big open space here. My bedroom's over there. The kids' bedroom is over behind you guys. And then, yeah, kitchen over there. We got it when Yelena was pregnant with Sasha, our first kid. And we were even more stupid than we are now then. And we sort of designed this place. It'll be great for a couple years. So we got the... We have, I guess this is the long way to say we have one bathroom. No, I actually, I was going to, I didn't, I didn't want to spoil it, but I actually, I met your daughter last week. I met Sasha last week and you guys were talking about having one bathroom and two teenage daughters. And I was like, that sounds insane.

And I just assume that means you don't get to shower very much. You just showered. You showered Equinox. My gym reality is the Dodge YMCA. You know, that's like and like during COVID, the towels went away and they haven't come back yet. You know, so it's like it's tough. It's tough. A metaphor for life. Really? Are you as your background? I like. blacked out or whited out? You got Terry Richardson's white wall behind you, Chris? It's a jailhouse vibe I go for. This is the wall at our house in LA. I have the nice shelving here that's a nicer background, but the plug situation isn't situated well for my power needs. When you're podcasting, you need a lot of power. I have to go jail mode uh and i need a lot of power you're not the first person to comment on the fact that i look like i'm in a weird place no i just couldn't tell if it was like um a fake you know like how they fight yeah they get spuzzed out and i'm just like oh okay what do you what are you hiding no what's uh most most people usually think it's like uh you know chris blink twice if if you are in danger kind of sleeper cell kind of uh you know they keep me in the basement out here um but it's not it's we're getting beautiful natural light today so it's It's more flattering than it can be sometimes. I think I saw you have a little skylight situation there. There's a beautiful skylight. Yeah, the house actually... A lot of the detail is nice, but there's this skylight in the living room that's like a triangle shape that really is flattering. Oh, it's magical. Yeah, it's at the right time of day. It's fucking magical. I'm happy. Have you ever lived in LA or have you always lived in New York? I've never lived in LA. I mean, I've spent months there working on stuff, but I've never signed a lease or owned anything there. And I don't know, my relationship with LA changes, I guess, from year to year. Probably that's typical for people. Let's see, the last couple times I was there, it was so...

hot and i was working like up in santa clarita and it was just it just it just felt kind of it felt kind of insane to me extra insane yeah because you were in a shitty part of la and and also the hot hottest part of la but they do a lot of filming over there right yeah i think there's a lot going on up there um but yeah it was it was tricky what was nice is i like to stay on on the on the west side like in santa monica because it's cooler and i like to like i like to go on the ocean i like to run on the beach yeah and also like everyone all my friends live on the east side so i don't have to like if i want to see someone i have to like no one's gonna come to me you know so sure i end up getting like i end up getting like a lot of peace and quiet like i get a lot of nice alone time you know yeah yeah yeah that's that's nice we love alone time all your cool la friends are like i'm not fucking going to venice bro i don't like you that much no they don't even they just they just just kind of like... It's just quiet. They won't even answer that question. It's like the will you pick me up from LAX question. I'm like, really? Giorgio Baldi doesn't have the magnetism I guess it used to. You need new friends, brother. You invite me to Giorgio Baldi. I'm hightailing it over there. It beats most restaurants in Silver Lake. That's for sure. I'm surprised you've never lived here, but you do. I think of you as like a New York guy. I've been here for a long time. You know, like when I started acting, there was like a stupid kind of divide between New York and California actors that sort of, I guess, just was a kind of symptom of like, do you do plays or do you do like shitty? Are you like a poor theater actor? Are you like a rich, multi-camera sitcom person? And I was always just like over here being a poor actor. And I think that's kind of really gone away. I don't buy into that anymore. It also used to be like you do movies or TV, you know, and that's completely...

Or at least movies got more respect, let's say, and I don't think that is the case anymore. No, I don't think so. Some of the greatest playwrights are writing TV series, so you kind of just go where the good writing is. That's my feeling. What's the vibe with plays, Eben? I really want to understand this, because it seems like the hardest thing you can do for the least amount of money, but there's a lot of prestige and maybe personal growth and personal satisfaction from doing it. It's like fly fishing, Chris. Exactly, yeah. Yeah, kind of. I don't know. I don't think it's so lofty as all that. I think it's just, as an actor, you just don't have much power at all, ever. You're just kind of at the beck and call. They tell you where to go. They cut up your performance. And doing a play, that's the only time you're really sort of in control of how it's going to come out. coupled with for me like a really great exciting dangerous feeling of like getting up there and so many mistakes can happen so many mistakes do happen and then you're just sort of scrambling and there's this really incredible like adrenal kind of thing like i describe it probably as akin to like although not nearly as cool but like being in a band and playing like like a show versus like making a record yeah you know like yeah That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense. It feels fucking good to do a play and then come out and take a bow and have people clap for you. I've done a lot of Broadway plays, so the houses cap out around 500. I remember I had 3,000 people clap over it, but 500 people, that still feels like... pretty great yeah no that no that's sick i've never thought of it that way but that makes a lot of sense because i just i've had a few friends that have done stuff over the years and it just seems like you do eight shows a week it's like exhaust it just seems so challenging in a way but i guess that's the whole that's the payoff is that it is challenging so the reward is is there at the end it's challenging but then it's and it is exhausting but it's deeply energizing and you kind of feel like you're part of a community and that way like you go to the bar

and people from different plays are all out. I don't know. It was a very kind of inclusive, cozy, validating kind of feeling for me. But I haven't done a play in like seven years or something, I think. That's kind of the vibe that I always was interested in is when you're done with the show and then you go to the bar and everyone's sucking your dick and everyone's saying blah, blah, blah. It has like a Frasier kind of vibe to it. I feel like Broadway is the last place where that still exists, where you can just go and hang out with all of your peers. Yeah, I don't know. It does have that thing where you're doing a play and you're like, this is the only thing happening in the whole world right now. Sure, sure, sure. It's isolating in a good way. Cocaine helps with that too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just don't... I guess it's just, it seems like something that is, it's a little hard. I don't know. It's like a little hard to parse because the access is very different. You know what I mean? Like TV movie, you turn on the fucking TV, it's there. You know, it's the effort required from the patron as well as the actor is different, I think, than any other media. Yeah, and also just the price of the ticket is so fucking dumb and prohibitive that it's like, it's so expensive. I don't know. I went to see a play the other day. I don't see plays much at all because I think for the most part they're pretty bad. But I went and seeing a good play is like an incredible experience and seeing a bad play is just like time never slows down as much as when you're in the audience of a bad play. It's insane. Screeching halt. Screeching halt. Okay, so it's theater. It's just not worth it. Yeah, exactly. If you want to fucking burn some money. But it was like, yeah, I took a friend to see a matinee the other day and it was like 400 bucks. Oh, shit. Really? Is this like, is this a well-known, is this like something people are clamoring to see or is this just kind of like something you wanted to check out? I think that, no, I think it was a Broadway play that starred, it was called Summer 1976 by David Auburn, well-known player directed by Daniel Sullivan, like acclaimed director starring with just Jessica Act and Laura Linney, just like two of them. But it was a Wednesday matinee. I kind of feel like...

i feel like i overpaid a little bit you know i mean wednesday matinee for 400 is a big afternoon out i i agree that's like yeah i mean that's like a music festival ticket or like those like that's going to go see adele in vegas type shit yeah no it's big i mean laura lynn is great you know but then what is you just get a lot of like old rich people in there and that's just not really you know like That's where the analogy between a rock show and a play, that's where it ends. So it's kind of like Giorgio Baldi. Yeah. I mean, the crowd... that's the big complaint i mean that's the big complaint about music now is that like if you want to see any like legacy act it's it's going to cost you you know if the cure is playing tonight at madison square garden they're doing like three nights at madison square garden if i wanted to go buy tickets right now two tickets would cost me a thousand bucks you know Is that right? Wow. Yeah, at this point, because obviously they sell out, then it's like you've got to buy it from StubHub or whatever. But that's just how much it costs to see the bands you grew up with, if they're still popular, if people still care. That's just what it costs. There's no way around it. You kind of just have to swallow that. And he doesn't even move. He just kind of stands there. No, no. Yeah, he sounds good. He looks insane. They wheel him out. Yeah, but I think that at our age... because you're probably just a little bit older than Jason and I, but they know you have the money. The people who grew up with it now have the money to pay for it. That's kind of how it works. That's why all these bands reuniting, that's why it works is because we all have the money to spend and we're willing to do it to relive that part of our youth or something along those lines. And also, we all know that where you're sitting in a concert now is sort of a social status thing, whereas back in the day... Assuming you go see Cure in 86, you get a general admission ticket, and you sit where you sit, and now it's like, oh, you're sitting in Section B, Orchestra Road. Oh, that's fucking, what are you, a poor loser? I can't be seen in the GA, Evan. You know that. I know. I would never even look with you there. Do you want to be in the Amex pre-sale section? Because that's not a great look either. No, no. We don't pay for sex. We don't pay for sex. We don't pay for sex. It ain't tricking if you got an Amex. That's for...

that's for people who go to summit and so yeah i mean i use i'm a proud american express card user but i don't know if i want to be necessarily sequestered with other american express card i've been to one i've been to one of those things um a friend of ours used to work with alicia keys and there was an alicia keys concert at the ace hotel downtown la only for amex you know high level amex people and it was It was an unbearable crowd, the way that these super rich Amex cardholders were behaving as if really mean to the staff, so entitled, just because they have this one credit card. You paid $500 for the yearly membership. Settle down, dude. centurion the centurion crowd or whatever the fuck it's called the barrier to entry of that card is not high enough to be acting like that 500 bucks is is you know that's that's a reasonable that's a reasonable fee but i don't know if i yeah i would i'm bummed i'm missing the cure tonight unfortunately because i missed him in la and i'm missing him in in new york so i might have to fly to go catch him at red rocks because they're doing like you know middle america my daughter's going She is? Sasha's going. Her best friend's mom, I think, works for Microsoft or something. So she got tickets. So Sasha and her buddy Nyla are going to see The Cure tonight. I'm like jealous and proud. Yeah, I was just going to say, how old is she? She's 16. Okay. So yeah, you must feel really proud that your 16-year-old child is making a... a culturally correct decision and not going to see some some bullshit you know i can't take too much responsibility for that like yelena's like strictly new wave you know like we like her like she's like really focused my um i'm like i did not grow up listening to the cure i was like i was like a 90s hip-hop fascist kind of dude like strictly it was like not it was like strictly outer borough from 91 to like 98 okay like a sound bombing volume

Volume one and two, like a ruckus guy? Yeah, I would like, you know, I would be in line with the backpack at the wetlands, you know, waiting to get in there. Okay, okay. Yeah, but Sasha's got better, you know, she's got more, I guess, eclectic taste, we call it. Sure. I don't know. It's because I feel like with kids, they could go the other way where they like rebel against you and are like, fuck you, losers. I want to listen to Blackpink, you know? Yeah. But the fact that she embraced it in some way is a good sign. I don't want to listen to soft sell, mom. Get out of my fucking room. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. I didn't know you were a hip-hop head like that. Is that something that you still explore? I've kind of, you know, like all dads, like I'm still sort of there. You know, like I'm a current hip-hop, like I don't know too much of what's going on right now. Sure. I think like... tyler the creator is really great but like my but you know i'm like i i don't know really what's happening i'm not an authority on any of that stuff i like you know i still listen to my old you know the black moon and and uh you know alter skelter and like you know whatever cocoa bees you know like whatever like i'm just you know uh black sheep like i don't know it just goes i don't know Biggie, Nas, Mobb Deep. Wow. What was your graffiti name? I didn't get into that. What? Okay. So then you were breaking. No graffiti? You were breaking then? I guess I just, yeah, I mean, I guess if I had to choose a discipline, a hip hop discipline. Everyone had a job. Everyone had a job. What's a discipline? Which of the five? Choose an element. Five elements of hip hop. I don't know. I guess I would make beats a little bit with someone from my friend Jesse back in Amherst. You know, we would make. beats a little bit but yeah it wasn't like believe it or not amherst massachusetts was not like like beats beat street you know there wasn't like the hot yeah yeah it wasn't the hot bed for hip-hop culture you weren't really i'm not totally surprised by that what did you move but you moved to new york like young right yeah well i went i went to college here and so i guess i like when i was when i was 17 so and i'm yeah so i'm 46 now so almost 30 years i love the idea of you being like

an actor, but also listening to that music and trying to reconcile those two things as like an 18-year-old, because those do not go hand in hand, I feel like. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. Chris, have you ever seen Hamilton? No. Timmy Chamele grew up emulating Soulja Boy, and now look at him. Yeah, that's a good point. He's been pretty successful, I guess. That's true. Maybe that modern era led him to success. I wasn't totally aware. You know, when the Hamilton craze, when the hamilton craze was really like in its apex a few years ago and it was just like every like i would go to my friends houses for dinner and their kids would be like rapping from hamilton and it was just it was just fucking everywhere and it drove me so crazy and i'm sure it's a really great musical and i can't you know lin-manuel is obviously a very talented dude but i started putting out i'm sure it's not i started putting out this story where i was like people like have you seen it yet and i was like yeah i saw it but um i don't know i left an intermission This is like when tickets were like $4,000. I just started telling people. I saw, but I started falling asleep, and I don't know. I just left at intermission. I had a super long day, just one of those days. So I just bailed out halfway. Those tickets were so crazy. It was like you had to be a former president to get tickets to that at one point. It was so insane. Yeah, I think it was unique. Yeah, it was really unique. But I think it was probably good overall for like... Broadway as like a thing because I don't think people, I think it brought a lot of people into that world that had never been there before. Was that a good thing? Yeah. And I guess hip hop too. Like that's what I was getting frustrated about because I was like, Oh, people are hearing this music kind of for the first time. And he's definitely influenced by all the people I named. And then I was like, well, there's so much better shit out there. Like this is not like, this is not where it began. This is not it. This is, this is no, no, no. It's that, that is a great point. I wanted to talk to you about Brad just a little bit.

Just a little bit. I know you're a man of the grain, right? Yeah, let's go. Yeah, we can do it. Let's go. I had two questions. Number one, we were talking about this on the last episode with Liz Phair, but we had a previous guest and she was mentioning that she makes her own bread and she said that... she feels like a kind of a spiritual connection when she makes bread in her home with starter that is sort of infused with her own personal bacteria. Okay. And maybe, you know, all the bacteria in the room is coming from her and recycling into the bread and the starter, which she eats and then that creates more bacteria. And she said it kind of has this like spiritual kind of connection to it. Is that something that you can relate to at all? I don't really have that kind of auto filleting vibe with my bread. But I do like... Yes, I can auto my own fillet. Yeah, I think it's cool that the yeast sort of reflects the microbes of the environment that it's in. I think that's kind of interesting and like how that changes whatever the bread is. You can take the yeast and bring it across the country and become something else. But no, I don't really... have a spiritual thing i started baking because everyone all of a sudden had like gluten allergies like this thing that i never heard of before that's because it's fake it's that's because it's fake and it's what women do so they don't have to eat bread that's why they exist now because of the vaccines but yeah go on exactly i continue that was a joke that was a joke just let you know no no no no Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah, I didn't take any vaccines just because I just was doing my own sourdough. I'm doing my own sourdough research. I'm kind of good, actually, so I don't know. Okay, so you were like, so everyone is saying, hey, I'm gluten-free, and then you said there's got to be a better way. I'm going to make some true, real bread. Yeah, so I was just like, so I don't trust industrial farming. I just figured the flour was probably really bad or had like...

you know or whatever like uh it's got like preservatives stabilizing ingredients bleaching and all this yeah what's the what's the like the chemical that's on everything like round off oh yeah roundup roundup the gmos yeah yeah so i was like okay let me just try to take power over it and so i just started making it and i just like really got into it i just i don't know it's like it's i like it it calms me it's like it's it's fun it's messy it's like i don't know i like it how many loaves are you doing uh doing a month doing a week what do you have a schedule going well when i'm like in it i'll bake twice a week and every time i bake i'm usually making two oh wow okay yeah i like to give one away I was going to ask, is this like a gift? Do you keep one for you, one for them? I mean, are you carb loading? Well, I got a family of four. I got people. I got mouths to feed here. No, so I'm not taking it all. It's not all like just the head stash. I got a lot of chicken katsu sandals to make for these growing boys and girls. Okay, when you make the two loaves per day, one stays in the house, one gets given away. Do you give the better one away or do you keep the better one? Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need a fucking something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. And, I mean, it... How it works, TaskRabbit connects you with skilled taskers in your area. They can help you move. They can assemble furniture, repairs, yard work, mounting, and more. You can search for a tasker based on cost, skill set, availability, and past client reviews so you know exactly who's showing up and can have confidence that they know what they're doing because taskers have assembled over 3.4 million pieces of furniture, completed 700,000 home repairs.

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how much currency the recipient has. It depends where it's going. Who's this loaf going to? Exactly. I guess if you're cooking two loaves side by side at the same time... what is the like how different can they be i'm sorry i'm a novice like you fool i apologize i'm embarrassing myself for asking this question but i need to know how crazy can it get like how how different can they be no it's not like it's not like you don't get like an arnold schwarzenegger and danny devita like you're just gonna get like one's gonna be like blown out of this you know like it depends like when the shaping like i might have one kind of like the side pops out a lot okay okay but for the most part they look they look pretty similar do you are you cooking other things as well or is this your specialty are you the cook of the household i'm the cook man i'm the cook i'm always yeah like when i'm that's kind of you know i don't have i don't really have a desk here everyone has a desk you know everyone's got their own space there's a very little closet space here and so the kitchen is kind of my lab like that's your area my space there yeah that's my area So, and I don't know, I just get like a lot of pleasure out of it. I like to wake up early, wake up with the kids, make them breakfast. Like I enjoy, there's like a kind of like short order cook vibe here in the morning where I get me like two different breakfasts and like two different lunches a lot of the time. um when i'm here maybe it's just like maybe it's and it also is like a salve for my conscious because when i'm i'm often gone you know when i'm working i'm just not present at all yeah sure so i feel like i'm making up for lost time when i'm here and when i'm not working i got very little going on in my life so i have time to kind of hang out and just like feel my day you know i have very little going on in my life what are we doing today girls yeah girls what do you guys want to skip school today we got i got nothing going on so no you later will often ask me she's like what'd you do today and i was like well you know i i thought a lot about dinner and uh you know i walked around and i compiled the ingredients i think of it like i have like i would have um if we lived in france it would be a perfectly respectful day respectable day

but like here in like you know new york city it's just i i just come off as like lazy and feckless or something you know i mean as long as you're bringing home some bacon keeping a roof over the head what i do today i don't know just killed it and then On top of it made you dinner? Wow. Yeah, just killed it. I don't know what the fuck you did today. I do think that as, you know, I can't, obviously I'm not an actor or an artist of any sort, but I say all the time that I need some, especially in New York, I find myself just, I'll sit down in front of Balthazar for an hour, hour and a half and just watch the people go by and I need that to kind of fill my tank up. Like I just need to witness that. I feel like that's what you're saying. You kind of wander around, you do your thing, but it all goes back to the place you need to go. It's not a waste of time. No, yeah, sure. I'll keep telling myself that, that it sort of fills up the reservoir. Exactly. But New York is great that way, man. It's great and it's also deceptive because it can be counterproductive because there's so much energy in the streets. That you can have a full day without doing fuck all, you know, you can have you know You feel like you did something but really you're just out and the energy you just sort of absorbed, you know Through osmosis like all the other energy, but you didn't really do much of anything except walk around I was just a part of something amazing today. Yeah, I just kind of walking around I got a coffee and did some cat calling at Balthazar for a while That was a job well done. So are you a Balthazar regular? What's your juice like at Balthazar when you show up? Oh, no juice. It's actually one of the most embarrassing things about... I mean, there's a lot of things that I'm embarrassed about. One of those is not having juice at any Keith McNally restaurants after being a patron for years and years. Kind of makes you think, doesn't it, Chris? It does make me think, Jason, and I'd prefer not to in this case. But I'm able to, during the day, I really like to go to the bakery and get a coffee. And now they got rid of the benches because of the COVID huts. So they now have these two tables. If you're looking at the door of the bakery to the right of the bakery, and no one's ever sitting there. So you're sitting there, and it's just the absolute shit show of Spring Street.

People watching, you know, right there. And then I go for dinner. I go probably once a week for lunch or dinner. Nothing super crazy. I do love an omelet for lunch. I found that's very responsible. Yeah. And for dinner, too. I always forget you can do that for dinner. That's kind of like. Yeah, why not? If I get it for dinner, I will unfortunately have to get fries, and that makes it a little bit of a different animal. But for lunch, it's with a little leafy greens. Exactly, just some leafy greens. I'll allow myself one piece of the delicious bread with a little bit of the cold, hard butter. That's one thing they can improve over there. The butter's a little hard when it comes out. I don't love that. And if I'm with someone at lunch, maybe a shrimp cocktail to kind of set the mood. I like it there. It's an amazing room. It can be inconsistent, but I don't know. It's always fun, and it's crazy, but it changed a lot, too. After McNally's Instagram zeitgeist thing, it's got a little bit of a Times Square vibe there, no? Well, I would say almost any restaurant in New York that's good has got that vibe now because of TikTok and Dumois. Like it's ruined. Like you can't go to Via Corotta. You can't go to like all these places are kind of fucked because of like TikTok basically. So it's like you have tourists making reservations three months in advance so that you can't go unless you really like prepare. But Balthazar does feel a little different like Evan was saying because there's like a person attached to it like all those other TikTok restaurants is just like the restaurant and the food and that's it. But Keith McNally is there and you're like, maybe he'll be there. Maybe he'll post my little napkin note that I leave him. There's a person that's attached to it, which makes it more fun. Dear Keith, me and my fiance had the best fuck whatever. I'm excited for the book. I do think the book, if he really does it right, it could be a classic.

Like, if he really lets it spray in the memoir, I think it could be really good. And the editor leaves all the slurs in. It could really be something. Exactly, yeah. I mean, I think that... Guys like that writing a memoir, I don't know. It's just like they've seen so much, but they were never like the guy. They're not famous, but they were just around for everything. That's usually my favorite type of when that works. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I'm sure the stuff they would see from like 11 to 3 in the morning over there is incredible. I didn't even think that there was a book for a while. I thought it was just a myth that he was saying, well, when the book comes out, I'm really happy that there actually is a book. That would be cool if he constantly teases a book that he has no deal for. He's not even working on anything. It's absolutely plausible that he would even post a fake cover and a fake release date. You're right. He's lived a lot of life. I don't know. I like it because it's down the street too. It's harder and harder to go to anywhere. Even in your neighborhood. I'm sure any place that's like a neighborhood restaurant that's good, if enough people go there and talk about it on TikTok or Instagram, it's a wrap, you know? And we talked about this a little bit. I talked about it with Chris, too, Chris Storer, but the menus being influenced now by TikTok because people want, like, everything's done tableside now because it's good to film. right like you or like mozzarella cheese sticks are good because you can like pull them apart we need food with motion now instead of instagramable tweezer food we want stuff that is gooey and melty and yeah you can light it on fire and pour it on top mozzarella is way more cinematic than like fontino or something like you think these are choices these are choices being made i guess in the kitchen or something right like yeah yeah what We used to prioritize flavor, and now we're prioritizing the cinematographic elements of the food. The possibilities are endless when it comes to mozzarella. You know that. It's bullshit. That's insane. It is bullshit. I used to go for food to restaurants, and now I really just go for the room and for the vibe. My man. I'm not that interested in the food anymore. I don't know. I just want to be in some kind of...

something that something something that feels old something that can like transport me a little bit i don't know yeah because especially if you're a home cook and you can kind of make whatever you want you only really want to go to a restaurant where it's like a type of food that you cannot make at home like you know sushi or some crazy stuff involving a walk or like things that you don't have access to but if it's just regular food I want to go to a place where a person that's older than me has given me a martini and I'm sitting there on a bench and you just can just chill. And the food is not the most important part about it. Exactly. And that's not just high end stuff that, you know, like we love to go out to Bay Ridge. There's a restaurant on Bay Ridge called Gino's that's been there forever. They got like a great little sign that says no, no tank tops in the dining room, you know, and it's just, and it's just like, it's just such a strong. i don't know such a strong environment that it's just it's like it's transporting and it's great and you just sort of you're just take you know you just take their ride for a little while it's really nice that's a good way to put it yeah my like restaurants have you know things have gone up inflation's real so it's like it's very expensive to go to like a nice restaurant these days i talk about when my brother a lot like because he'll go out and get frustrated about like He spent like $250, and he wasn't sure how much there was to even show for it. And I was like, yeah, if we give me $1,000, and we do four people at my house, I can get the best steaks. We can drink incredible wine. We never do it, but yeah. I could. But there's something there, though. If I wanted to spend two days preparing for you guys to come over for dinner, I could. I could absolutely do that. I would prefer not to, but I could if it goes ahead. Yeah, exactly. Then you guys would have to come over to my house, and that's kind of why we're not going to do that. I want to talk about the show a little bit and just like how much time had you spent in Chicago before you signed up for this ride? Very, very little.

I was on a movie called The Lake House, a famous Sandra Bullock, Keanu Reeves. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, yeah. You know, piece of cinema history. I was there for a couple months doing that, and then I literally had not been back to Chicago until the day we started shooting. um or the day we got there for rehearsals for the pilot of the bear okay so you didn't okay i because i i wondered if you had any feelings about it or if you were excited to go back if it was like oh here we go i'm going to fucking chicago i hope this show's good uh there was a little bit of that you know sure that's reasonable that's reasonable i'm not like a like a total new york kind of complete elitist but i do kind of like cities are tough to be in you know cities are not like it's they're loud and i'm kind of like uh You know, I got to get something back if I want to be, you know what I mean? Like I'd rather be out and I'd be in like Wyoming or Montana or, you know, somewhere beautiful if I'm not going to be in. in new york a lot of the time so yeah i was you've shot in i mean i'm sure you've shot all over the world i imagine you've worked for a long time and i'm sure some of those locales are are cooler than others you know what i like like santa clarita is not not high up on the list santa clarita is not high up on the list but there's like weird surprising ones like i was making this tv show in uh in rhode island for a couple of years and i was like staying in providence which like i've i love like that city i don't know it's like a small it's cool yeah it's like a really awesome little city that was like new england but also not so puritanical like boston or anything like that there was like a warmth there um and history was alive there like i really love that city so when you when you're on location leaving your home are you like a habitual guy who has to like bring certain elements from your home life when you when you're on the road like your special little coffee mug or like however you do things or you just immerse yourself in the new city no i like to leave everything i don't take much at all like i'm a i like

every time i pack and go somewhere like i try to take less things i like i live like a monastic quasi monastic i'll say life when i'm on location you know like i'll take i'll take a guitar and that's it like i'm happy to like i don't need to have my coffee i don't need to have my things i live um I live with a maximalist. There's a lot of objects in my house. The simplicity of just a simple, plain, unadorned hotel room is a really nice sorbet for me. Cleanse that P. Okay, question. When you travel with your guitar, is it a full-size guitar or are we talking more ukulele here? No, it depends. This season I took an electric guitar. and a small amp um sometimes i'll take like a nylon string guitar uh we're going on vacation for a while and i just took my my kids were like expressing interest in playing some guitar so i just picked up like um a baby martin which is a three-quarter guitar yeah uh which is nice maybe for their smaller hands and it's easier to travel with um i have i've traveled with the ukulele uh it's it's a look you know what i'm saying like it's it's arcade fires in town i like i like the admission you're like i have under oath i have traveled with the ukulele before i think that's really sweet though going on a family vacation and and being like hey let's not forget the guitar that's like a a crazy thing for chris and i to to think i guess but you guys like sit around and play music and hang out together like a well-adjusted group of people no that's that that would be a stretch but you know um they all take like a lot of art supplies i'm not an artist you know and like elaine is very productive and will put like during the hottest part of the day she'll spend like a couple two three hours inside drawing or working on something um she's always working and so during that time i so like to at least kind of look productive or i i think i'm gonna maybe do something so now i'm yeah so um i think it's nice i think it's nice but it's not it's not like a partridge family vibe it's nothing like that yeah you know okay okay that that attracts but i i didn't know i didn't know you were such a guitar player i didn't know this was one of your passions no i'm not i mean it is a passion but i'm not like i'm not good or anything but it does but it's it's an interesting i mean it's such a

giving instrument you know you can kind of go and there's so much like now on like youtube or whatever i was kind of thinking about i love like bossa nova i love brazilian music yeah and i was like gonna try to that's sort of my goal is like to try to learn some of those sort of more unusual exotic chords like some major seventh chords and ninth chords these kind of things that they play also they play you know like spanish style where you got you're playing with a pinky You don't have that pinky, you know? And so I'm going to try to use the whole, my whole right hand. So you're going nylon string, flamenco, classical, long. I'm going steel string. The baby Martin has steel strings, but I'm going to try to, you know, this is a good, I like there's a vacation goal for you. I like this. I like that your family pushes you to be productive on vacation. Maybe that's. I hate vacation. I think it's so boring. I just can't do it. Yeah, I know. It's a nightmare. We all know, Chris. But I'm saying this changes things. This gives you a North Star. It gives you a goal that you're working towards versus I want to finish the guest. Yeah, exactly. It seems good. It might be good for me. I think it's nice to frame the day. I like to wake up early and swim and then come back. I always... i my goal always is to in the summertime to try to make like lunch do like your like lunch is the big meal and then everyone like that spanish style and then like take a nap and then there's this sort of time in the hottest part of the day where you like then do something and then the sun goes down you swim again and like like so that's i'm trying to take my cues from the You know, from the old country. Yeah. Have the weather and the elements affect your day more so than it does for the average person nowadays. Yeah, you're following God's light, basically, is what you're saying. I mean, that's truly an amazing way to live. And if you can do it, that's great. I feel like you are ready to one day retire somewhere in Europe and live off the land, go to the farmer's market every day, make some thmaneth food.

Bolts of linen. Just draping. I'm just draping. You are not that guy. You're going to act until you're dead. You're going to be acting at 90. 100%. I hope so. I don't know that I'll get to 90, but I love my job, man. I love to keep doing it. It gives me energy, but I'm good at... If you don't become whoever, like Chris Evans or whatever. overnight like you got a lot of time off yeah and you got to figure out how you're going to get get through that stuff so i got good very early on at like you know being unemployed so i'm good at vacation i'd often to this was a very busy year i'm very happy to vacation you know and spend some time with my with my family but um yeah uh You know, it's a powerless job in many ways. You're sort of waiting for a call. So that's infuriating and powerless and disenfranchising a place to be. So you have to sort of take it and own it. When you say you're very good at being unemployed, I think Chris and I can both relate to that. But we often use drugs to achieve that sweet spot. Is that something that you do as well or not so much nowadays? Perhaps in the past I dabbled. But these days it's more of a... a sober, you know, sober-ish sort of thing. But yeah, I definitely filled a lot of my early days with just, you know, I mean, weed can really, you know, be a great co-pilot. Sure. It's one of the elements of hip-hop, actually. Yeah, it's the kind of unspoken sixth element of hip-hop. That's a good point. I mean, yeah, making bread and listening to some bossa nova and jazz, that's... I can't imagine doing that not high on marijuana, to be honest. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what happened. You know what? Also, when weed got legalized and became so suburban, it lost a lot of its luster for me. It's never been less cool. It's never been less cool. It took all the danger out of it. Yeah. Back when weed was theater. Yeah. We have a lot of musicians on this show, and we talk to them because Eben...

I know you listen. We talk to them about syncs and we talk about where their music's used. But I think with an actor, I feel like I want to talk to you about something, maybe something that you missed out on that you were like, damn, that would have changed my life. Like something that you went deep down the road with. You auditioned three or four times. You thought you were going to get it. And then it goes to someone else. And you're like, wow, that's crazy. I thought I had this one. I felt really good about it. Oh, man. Man, I don't know. I probably blocked that stuff out. I got a fourth callback for Don Draper, but we don't talk about that anymore. Not in this household. We don't do that in this household. No, I don't want to get into the weeds there. i'm like i'm thankful it could also be a musical it could be a musical sing talk i mean you've played in bands before right no i've had like like so i think that you know i think one thing that i think is kind of funny that i've seen over the years is like how actors want to be musicians and musicians want to be actors um sure and i think that that's sort of like i think about that sometimes uh you know wonder why because i definitely feel like there was another version where i could have just been fucking selling out fucking arenas you know yeah yeah the much i mean yeah you keanu reeves keanu reeves just reunited dog star And they are playing festivals. Oh, he knows. He's come fully back around. And where he's like, I guess I can cash in on this now. And these guys probably need... I'm sure the other guys need the money. So it's a good situation. What kind of venues are they playing at? That's a good question. I think they're playing... I think they're literally playing festivals. Because they can get booked on... They can play in the afternoon at a big festival. But isn't it so weird? Because Keanu, when it first came around, he was... very popular then you know that was like late 90s early 2000s he was still huge but he would he would play like the viper room and do like yeah you know 200 cap rooms i feel like now he could sell thousands of tickets of just people that want to be in the same room yeah they want to see even if they think the music is shit yeah yeah which i'm sure it's not i'm sure it's great i i've never heard i've never listened to i've never released a dog star before i played when i was in chicago making that movie

We would sometimes, after work, we'd go back and jam. He had a big acoustic bass, which is a pretty esoteric instrument. Unless you're doing Nirvana Unplugged, it doesn't get a lot of action. I love the idea of you and Keanu just jamming. He's got a fucking acoustic bass. That is a wild instrument. Can I play guitar, Keanu? No. Big bass. Big bass is kind of my thing. I guess he plays bass in Dogstar, the classic bass player singer, which is less rare than it used to be. I think Slayer does that. is that staying not the cure the cure does that or no like is he no no no no i think the police i can't think of the police comes to mind first to me right because sting is a shredder we all know that yeah yeah paul mccartney lemmy from motorhead yeah lemmy that's it that's a big one that's a good one yeah but sting yeah that's gotta be lemmy yeah that's it probably yeah god yeah i don't know no but i never like played in a band where we would like play out or anything it was always just a way to blow off steam and hang out with my friends and you know just just have some fun i think that's a healthy i think that's a healthy a healthy way to do it because it's it that's what it can be if you're not like driven to be like a musician you know if that's not your goal in life being able to still do it a lot and get the get what you need out of it is is positive instead of trying to turn it into a job yeah well whenever you like attach like aspirations or goals to something you know it just starts to it loses its value it loses its value in and of itself and i'm just i was just like i gotta i gotta hard fucking path as it is with this other thing like i don't need to you know with this with this other thing i don't know i'm trying to do things that are only fun yeah only only fun uh so i guess this this is going to come out tomorrow season two is coming what is it all coming out or is it just it's all coming out right i think it's everything it's all 10 episodes right at once when when did you see them all i haven't seen all of them they sent them to me like maybe two weeks 10 days ago it's

difficult for me to watch, but I will watch them. So I have nine and 10 I still haven't watched. So I've seen the first eight of them. Is that something you, do you avoid watching yourself normally or do you have to to kind of get better? I avoid watching it a lot most of the time for a few reasons. Without sounding too self-indulgent, I just think most of the time when I'm working, I have a really nice day on the set. I love being on set. I love working with people, hanging out with actors and directors and writers and grips and everyone. And then so much happens between that day and then the product I see at home or whatever. And a lot of the time, it's frustrating and doesn't really reflect. the the joy i felt when i was making it and so it's i've found over time that it's just nicer to kind of leave it there also from like a vanity standpoint like i don't know like i don't like the way i look a lot of the time and it just it just makes me feel bad you know yeah no that's i get it i totally get it but this show i watch because i'm so invested in it and i've you know i i started with it i was there from the day one That's my family. And so I'm curious. And I trust them, too. That's another thing is I really trust Chris and Joanna and John. I find that I feel like you guys, just from the time I've spent with you guys, that there's like a... I'm obviously not Mr. Hollywood. I don't really know how it goes. But it seems like you guys would spend time together if you didn't have to. You know what I mean? Which doesn't seem, as a person who's done this, you've done this for a very long time. That's probably not always the case. case yeah dude i'm not normally going out for some like j crew shoot take pictures at 10 in the morning like i mean i was there for those guys just to hang out with those guys we have you know we have a great we have a great time together um also what as you know chris like when you hang out with the the bear crew like

you eat well. Those guys get tables that I can't really fuck with. That's true. There's multiple benefits. I don't usually like the gratis caviar service. That doesn't really happen in my normal life. You're spoiled. We need this show to never get canceled or else you're going to start eating peanut butter and jellies again. You're back slumming it. Do you think we're ever going to get a girls reunion? Oh, man. I had to ask. Wow, that would be something else. No, I have no idea. It would be called women, I guess. Yeah, the wagons aren't circling. The question that I was prompted to ask by our friend Matty Matheson, he wants an on-air review of his kind of acting because he has a more prominent role this season. Well, does he? Yeah, that's what I've been told by him. So I think that he kind of wanted you to give us... Rotten Tomatoes scale on Matty's performance season two. Yeah, just kind of like how did you feel sharing the stage with such an amateur? Did you have to kind of put him on your back? He's a big guy. Yeah, well, I don't know. It's very exciting to watch Matty because it's kind of like watching someone learn to fly. Like if he's like running and jumping off... the cliff with the paraglider like and like sometimes he's gonna fall sometimes he's gonna smash into the cliff on the other side sometimes he's gonna fly you know so you never know what you're gonna get it's a good it's a good performance it's um you know not the most consistent performance on the show uh but but he's but he's very committed and really you know invested in and he's he tried a lot more i think in the second season than the first season i think he like is aware of it and wants to He wants to succeed. And I like, and I like doing scenes with Maddie. We're like seeing partners in a lot of season two. And he's, he's, he's, he's fun to work with. I love Maddie. I just, I can't imagine the difference though, of like being in, I mean, cause you've done so much different stuff in your career. And I feel like, you know, sometimes you're with a guy like Maddie, who's like never really done this before. And then sometimes you're with Sandra Bullock and it's like, you know, like the difference in that is like, I don't know other careers.

like other professions where you're kind of in that mix happens so often yeah yeah no you're you do get a big breath i guess like you know you know you work with kids or athletes or you know whatever you know yeah yeah um i like that about the job i like that kind of variety i don't know it's always every job is super different i my process for every job is different um Variety is the spice of life. Couldn't have said it better myself. Evan, thank you for joining us today on How Long Gone. It was a pleasure. We're all very excited about season two, which will be streaming on FX on Thursday, June 22nd. Yeah, FX on Hulu. fx on hulu fx on hulu share it with a friend binge it share with a friend binge it you know what i mean get those memes ready for god's sakes let's let's create meme yeah let's create an i would i would like an ebon meme this season let's see if we can make that happen listeners let's figure out get your loved ones close mix up a picture of bacardi and diet and uh you know sit back and enjoy bacardi and diet That's a Chicago drink. Bacardian Diet. Diet anything or Diet Coke? I think it's Diet Coke. Yeah. Okay, yeah. I've had Bacardian Diet before. It ain't half bad. Obviously. Those guys in Chicago, they just know how to do things. But, Eben, thank you for joining us. Thanks so much, guys. You guys go stream the Bear. Enjoy your vacation. Thank you, man. And hopefully I'll see you when you get back. All right, guys. I'll keep listening. I'll see you on the other side. Thank you. Thanks, brother.