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A2 ice cream olive oil pack is hitting or the C's candy McConnell's is hitting to avoid a meltdown. It hasn't been easy, Chris. I think it might be time to just say no to those things because I don't think it's going to hold. And I'm not saying this because I don't want to try them. You know I love a sweet treat, but it just feels like it's going to be a tough. I mean, to me, if it's something that perishable, you've got to have it hand-delivered the day that you say you're going to. You know what I mean? Like somebody pulls up in a car. and gets out and says here it is usually it happens like that but i think they're getting better especially with the hyper perishables there there's a drop down google menu where you can be like you know i want it to be september 11th september 12th september you know so you can and then you really got to hope that you can deliver because otherwise you know you you would hate to see the graza A2 lactose intolerant ice cream. You would hate that. Laid to waste on the curb. You would hate to see that melting in that Glendale sunlight. But yeah, I'm happy to be back. I had a funny interaction at the airport. Our friend Vedant at Nike, a helpful, supportive Nike friend over there. I was at the airport waiting for Carolyn to pick me up. We were talking about this on stage, but airplane mode. You don't put it on airplane mode in the plane, but I do. And I got off the plane and I was in the airport and I immediately hopped onto the airport Wi-Fi. And I was, you know, listening to a podcast, texting people, scrolling social media, saying, you know, and then Carolyn texts me like, can you like answer your phone? I'm trying to pick you up from the airport. And I realized my phone is still in airplane mode the whole time. So I'm like scrambling, trying to run downstairs because I was probably posted up at Fat Sal's or something over at Chicken and Beer. Ludacris, Chris Bridges, Chicken and Beer. One of my favorites. I don't want to sit outside on the curb like a scumbag. I'm going to be over at Fat Sal's. So I'm running and then I run into him and he's trying to, yo, what's up, bro? And he wants to say hi. And I have my headphones noise canceling. I'm running, trying to switch back on to the airplane mode.

I just wanted to give an apology. I wasn't trying to be a dick to you, my friend. I was just, you know, airplane problems. I think everybody understands that the stresses of the airport can cause some, you know, social friction if a stop and chat is needed. Yeah. I think that's a fair. It was giving me flashbacks to COVID when you would run into the homie in the wild during COVID and they would look at you. like you are a leper or something like that that is potentially going to kill them and their family. Well, I was that leper. So those looks were justified. Chris said, leper going lep. Yeah, let a leper lep. Wow, that's a good little vocal warm-up. We've got to tell Waxahachie about that. Let a leper lep. Bro, I'm having real FOMO that we're not at Newport this year, I've got to say. I'm just seeing the videos. That makes one of us, brother man. I'm seeing the videos. All the homies are there. Everybody's playing. It's a bummer. I would rather go to Lollapalooza like 5,000 times more than Newport. I mean, whatever. Obviously, this is why our podcast works. You're the yin, I'm the yang. When I was watching friend of the show, Kareem, famous influencer from The Subway Takes, 100% agree. He was playing on the same stage that we did our podcast on last year, and I was like, oh, you know, it's giving quinceañera in the backyard and Pico Rivera. Like, I don't miss that at all. Oh, I love that. I would rather, the thought of that. You fly, you get on a boat, you get on a ferry, you're waiting in this line and this line and this line just to play for like 11 moms on the grass. Fine by me. I'd rather do that. I would like to see Libby Rodrigo, but I'm not going to stay there that late. You know what I mean? But, like, no, I'm joking. Once a Gooner, always a Gooner. You don't like Gracie Abrams? No. I like to look at her. Gracie Abrams famously has zero songs. Everybody knows that. It's sad. It's sad because I would love for her to have. You don't want to see Bleachers? We don't have time for that. We don't have time for that. Foster the peeps.

Actually, maybe it's time for us to link with – I'm going to have somebody put us in touch with old Jack, and maybe we break bread in Chicago. I don't think Zantanov wants to bury the hatchet with us. Well, I don't think he knows there's a hatchet. I think he's probably fine with it. Zantanov knows. I don't. I really don't. I think Zantanov is luckily on another plane because of his great, great success. But this reminds me, just quickly. Toronto, great show. Thank you everyone for coming to the Great Hall. Great show at the Great Hall. Love y'all. But there was a woman in the audience that we were having some fun with because she was like a germaphobe. You can't make out the audience that well because the lights are in your eyes, et cetera, et cetera. You're making out shapes, colors, but that's about it. After we roasted her for maybe a minute, Jason called her. Lysol Del Rey, and I have to say it's really stuck with me. I retold it last night, and I got a real chuckle. Oh, good. I, of course, credited you. It would be a little cooler if you didn't credit me. No, no, no. I would never. It's a stroke of genius that I want people who weren't at the show in Toronto to know. We usually try to keep the shows kind of in-house only, but sometimes when the information is this good, it has to trickle out. So if you have a friend who's a germaphobe, call them. Lysol Del Rey. It's good. It rolls off the tongue. Everybody gets it. It's a great, easy joke. Well, I'll paint the picture a little bit more, like you said. Not easy to really make out everything, but I could see that it was a female person. They appeared to be wearing kind of a white summery dress. They appeared to have some type of headband or crown. It was a Prada-style headband from a couple seasons ago. That's why I chose the Del Rey. I could have said Lysol. You know, Lysol Gibbs, depending on what the person, whatever it may be, but it worked out that the, you know, it really, it flew off the tongue. It did work out. In such a pleasurable way. Yeah, Lysol Gibbs is the only thing. You know, it doesn't all work. It doesn't all work. It doesn't work. It doesn't work.

It doesn't work quite the same, but we're getting close. Lysol the elephant over here, something like that. I don't know. Lysol the creator. There we go. Lysol the creator is nice. He was playing the same night in Toronto. I think we lost some tickets to him. So if you were to tell the creator show and say how long gone, that's your bad. Also, shout out in Toronto, a lovely makeup artist hand drew drawings of us with a how long gone and made some custom stickers sort of in the style of a A Halston catalog from the late 70s. We look angelic. Honestly, you are blemish free. He was really taking some liberties with your cheekbone structure, but we look great. What about you? Thank you. What about you? You just look just it's just like it looks just like you. Yeah, true. Exactly the way. True to form. I know that you wear I know that you do wear facsimile. No flaws detected. You wear a lot of eyeliners. That makes sense. Yeah. Noah, thank you for those drawings and thank you to. to danny's pizza tavern too we had a great meal after the show um which i i don't know why it really hit the spot i needed that i really needed that well yeah you needed that zod didn't you that's the at the end of the show end of the tour you know the last show we're we're feeling goofy we're wearing different clothes that we don't always wear what if you wear a t-shirt with a suit you can't pull that off watch me bitch uh yeah it was it was great it was great to be in toronto it's great to be home um I saw LaMelo Ball got Hot Cheetos tattooed on his feet. So he has flames coming off of his toes, which is a very painful place to get tattooed. And I'm starting to think, after seeing some LaMelo freestyles and this tattoo, that he could be one of our dumbest living. Just kind of overall, his output. I mean, I like the one song, but I just don't think it's going to go... After seeing his follow-ups, I don't know if it's going to go very far for him. Yeah, I mean... At first, he was sort of like the light-skinned Chet Hanks for a minute, and now, in comparison, Chet Hanks is a Leonardo da Vinci level of intellect and skill. But, you know, LaMelo, he's a young kid, right?

what early 20s 22 23 something like that no he's got plenty of time he's got plenty of time to keep fucking up yeah there's no question when you you know i hate to say it is a negative stereotype but people who really come up in the sporting system where if they're going to really make a go at it becoming a pro football basketball whatever soccer baseball you really are fast-tracked to only work on the body and the sport that you play and You know, there's been the stereotypes and the cliches of, oh, I'm the high school quarterback, so I don't have to take the test. And I just get a nerd or a chick to do it for me and all that stuff. But when you see these athletes who are young and, you know, tens of millions of dollars in the bank, if not hundreds, they really are dumb. And it's a little odd. Like when I was in the elevator with the Manchester United people, because they were like European, they sounded smarter. Like, they had a problem understanding, like, the elevator. And then, like, there was a video I saw of young kids, maybe like, I don't know, 10 or something like that, and they're all playing football, and they're all wearing an Apple Watch as an accessory. Their Apple Watches are dead, and it's just, they say, oh, I'm just wearing this for accessories. And when I saw that, I was like, so little kids. are wearing dead black strap apple watches as an accessory because they think it makes them look good or better or cooler it's just part of the look and there is nothing cool about that which is what's going on generational difference i think we're gonna have to just say you know we have to agree to disagree and then you have little mellow ball who's like yes i'm a basketball player yes i'm cool and yes i have a lot of money i'm gonna get i'm gonna tattoo my entire foot or the first half of the foot, red. So every day, he's going to be seven years old, looking at himself, he's going to be taking a shit, look down, and there's going to be some little... And the tattoo's not done well. It's definitely kind of a quick job. A lot of these outlines are, my man wasn't whipping with precision. No, I mean, luckily a foot tattoo from a professional athlete is going to get destroyed faster than a hand tattoo on someone who washes their hands a lot. You know, like your foot. That's a good point.

You can wear double Nike socks all you want, but doing that much more. You've seen LeBron's toes. Hey, man. You know what time it is. All right, London, come see us. August 4th, the 100 Club in Soho with Blondie. There's some tickets left. We'd love to see you. And if you are our actual friend, there will be a little get-together afterwards that I will text you about. Yeah, and we'll be doing a little download of the Oasis show, play-by-play. So if you couldn't get tickets, or if you could and you want to hear us talk about what you just saw, It'll be good fun, as they say out there. And then, of course, our guest Blondie is going to be more than enough, right? We usually don't have guests on Monday, but, you know, we make an exception for some of the OGs. Ty Haney is our guest today. I mean, she started several businesses that you are definitely familiar with over the years. Joggy is my favorite. What a cute name. I prefer, you know, I constantly uplift female founders. That's sort of a thing that I take a lot of pride in, as you know, Jason. And in some worlds, Ty is kind of the OG, you know, I would say female founders. So I have to go to where it all started to really understand. Despite being so young. Exactly. It's crazy that she's 21 and she's done all this stuff. It's mind-blowing. It's mind-blowing. All right, let's give her a call. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, so do our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world, writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly, a website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could, you know, have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools so those future graduates can find me. And, you know, I'm able to accept, quote, unquote, donations for my services that might be gray area.

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Do they go inside the house or are they only outside in the coop? Do you let a bird in the house? I posted on TikTok and Instagram. I was on a meeting with my TYB team and then turned right and all five of them were right here in my office. So they're indoor outdoor chickens. I don't know a lot about chickens or rearing them as I've never had any, but is the indoor outdoor, is that common or do you think this is something that you're sort of on the front lines of? Oh my God. I love a pet. My dad just told me that chickens do have lice. Not the lice that love people, but like chicken lice. So they for sure do. But like my favorite one is called Black Beauty. And it's like, here, I'm kissing it. Like, I love these things. I'm obsessed. So I let them come indoors. But when I posted that, people freaked out. So I think they're outdoors now. Okay. Outdoors only. Yeah, you got to be careful. Sometimes people like to explain things online, you know. And it's bullshit. Because if you were a man, they would have been like, hell yeah, awesome. But since you're a female founder, they're like, actually, there's an airborne illness license. Okay, so I have more questions about chickens, believe it or not. So you got black beauty sitting on your lap while you're on Slack or whatever. Petting them like my sweet precious. What's the life expectancy of a chicken? I don't know. All I'm focused on is getting to August, which we're close, guys. Because black people in there 20 weeks, they start learning eggs. They started doing something productive for us. Okay, that's a good founder answer. You're like, you know what, we're just... We're in a sprint right now. We're in a sprint right now. We're on a sprint. We've got our eyes on the goal. We're just trying to get to August. Our runway is a little short, and then we'll be in the egg zone. To be honest... We're going to hit a liquidity event with the eggs, for sure. There's no question we're going to get there. To be honest, Corey, who introduced us, and I'll give a little backstory if it matters, but he's like, he'll be dancing. I'm like... I guess I'm all about productivity. What are we getting done? I'm a little concerned, but here we are. Hey, we ain't getting shit done. Let me tell you that right off the bat. Nothing to get done. What you're getting done is you're going to endear yourself to a new audience of people who are going to be like, she's not as crazy as I thought she was. I'm going to give her a fallout. Anyway, the typical lifespan of a chicken is five to eight years. You got some time.

Enjoy it, you know. So you're saying these chickens, you haven't had these chickens very long because they haven't even given you the eggs yet. So this is still, you're still getting to know each other. You're still in the sort of, no pun intended, incubation phase. They were an Easter purchase. Surprise, surprise. So, you know, I think. What other animals do you have on the ranch? Well, I actually live like in the proper town or city, depending on how you feel about Boulder, Colorado. So it's probably not permitted here, but we have. Three dogs. Okay. I have four horses, but they're in hygiene, so they're not on the property. I wish they were. I might bring Dolly here, our mini horse. So you're a horse girl. I'm unsure if I should say that out loud, but yes. I am recently a recovered horse girl or now again a horse girl. So you're saying you grew up doing it and now you've rediscovered your love. Well, the reaction to horse girl is generally very negative, but I think people are warming to it. Not for men. Not for men. No, no, no. Yeah, the reaction to being a horse girl is just pure jealousy. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, men like a horse girl. They're like... She'll be at the stables all day. You know, I can do whatever I want, you know, hang out with the fellas. And then she'll come home and churn me some butter. I can finally do that marathon I've been dreaming about. And then girls are like, I have to be on Microsoft Teams for 11 hours a day. I don't even, I can't remember the last time I saw a horse. What are their names? If you don't mind me asking, I don't want to be too forward. Yeah, of course. One, the first one I got last year. So I just stopped back into this very recently, but I'm like flying up for jumps. I'm fast. Once I sell my companies, I want to go to the Olympics. Anyway, the first one is called Bobby. I like that. With a male, with a Y or an I? With a Y. He's named the same as my dad. So my dad loves that. And then there's Highlight, but spelled with a Y. Horses have the weirdest names. They don't have to. But, well, actually, I was about to change it, and then you learn all about this bad look. Highlight sounds like someone Jason would have shared the stage with at Hard Festival in 2010. Them jeans, Highlight, B2B set. We invented dubstep that night. All right, so you got Highlight. What was the third one? The third one was Lulu, but her show name is Feelings Love, F-I-L-O-U, and that's what I'm talking about. You go to these shows, and it's the craziest names.

You get bad luck, supposedly, if you change what the breeder gave them as a name. And so, whatever, I'm not changing it because we've got to win, you know? Yeah, who came up with that idea? I'm assuming the breeders. And I think that's some false voodoo they're trying to set on you. Name that horse Steve and see what happens. I guarantee no lightning will strike. Yeah, who gives a shit? What's the fourth horse? Let's finish. Well, she's really small. Her name is Dolly. She's a miniature pony. She actually came from the picture of the... What's the baseball team in SF? I'm there all the time. The Giants. The Giants. The Giants pitcher, family, had her for a lot of years. And then the kids grew out of her. So we have Dolly now. And she's a B-I-T-C-H. But she's fun, too. Okay. All right. So Dolly's going through a growth spurt. Name a tiny horse that isn't a fucking bitch, right? So this horse is for your kids to ride? Is that what it's for? Yeah, but I got her during COVID when we got to Tucson. They don't do anything with her. She was really like my on-ramp back in the horse world. So went smaller now. So just like any other COVID pet purchase, the kid said, oh, I want a mini horse. You get it. You're the one who asked to end up feeding them, bathing, bathing Dolly, picking up that Dolly shit. A tale is old as time. You got to walk Dolly twice a day. What a nightmare. What a nightmare. So you lived in Tucson, which is an interesting choice. Were you just really on your ranch shit, or was there another rest? House arrest? What was going on? Yeah, did you do a little time out there? I have the same question. We didn't spend summers there. It was way too hot. But my husband is from a ranch in a small town called Tenoida, so right outside of Tucson. And so that's why we ended up there. We bought this little hacienda. It actually was quite lovely, except no way would I spend time in the summer. Have you guys been there? I've actually never been to the great state of Arizona, I don't think. And I've been to most states. And I love America, obviously. You know what I mean? So it's bad on me. I enjoy Sedona, but otherwise, you know, Arizona's gifts run a little short for my desires. I mean, Tucson is cool. Phoenix, you know, Phoenix.

God help you if you're in Phoenix. Phoenix Brown City is pretty fun for the weekend. We get a suite at the W Hotel. Phoenix hit the pool party. You know what I mean? If you're at the pool, you just walk out the front door in Phoenix. And it's just your shoes stick to the asphalt. It's 120. It's just like, what's the summer? What's the summer in Tucson? What are we touching in late July? 112. Okay. That's dangerous for the animals and for humans. And they're like, it's monsoon season and like the rains are coming, but like not enough. Yeah. When it's 112, there's not enough rain for anyone. So when you were in Arizona and it rained, you turned into the type of person who was like. We needed this, y'all. You know what I mean? We really needed this rain. 100%. 100%. I've never been to Boulder either, now that I think about it. And I've been to... Denver, which is a shithole several times. When's the last time you lived in a regular city, Ty? Yeah, great question. It's been a minute, but I do spend every other week in SF. Do you consider that a regular city, guys? It depends on what you're shooting and smoking, but yeah, I mean, kind of. Yeah, kind of. So you're going there for business reasons, I'm assuming. Okay. I'm a tech CEO now, guys. Yeah, of course. x and twitter building on market street so like right in the tenderloin where like all the crazy shit is happening and for some reason the proper hotel which is a lovely hotel but it's placed in the tenderloin it's become my routine so like that's where i stay every week and literally every night it's like bombs definitely trash can bombs going off it's not settling but it keeps me on my toes you know you stayed there remember jason yeah my uh my my wife's brother got married in San Francisco a few years ago and we, everyone stayed at the proper. And I was like, of all the places to have like the ant fly in from, you know, and you're in the, you're in the, you look out the window of your like $800 a night hotel room with, with like,

you know, the Rolling Stones vinyl and vintage curtains and shit. And like you said, there's, you just open the window and there's a guy spreading his asshole and another guy's blowing up a car. And they're like, so if you go and like the hotels, like I wouldn't recommend like quote unquote walking outside and stuff like that. Okay, so, I mean, there's so many hotels. Just stay somewhere else, Ty. But it is close. Tell me. Give me your recommendation. Come on. I like the – what's the place? The place I stayed on that trip, the Fairmont, the one that's at the top of the hill, that is – it's, like, old. It's very old and big. In Black Heights. Yes, it's beautiful. The Drisco, I've stayed at before. Very grand. That's also nice, too. I actually – I'm actually fairly recently NorCal pilled, and I find San Francisco, if the weather is nice. oddly charming yeah it's very charming because i live in because i live in new york and i live down it's not that different to be honest like as far as like the bad stuff that we're talking about like it's kind of i'm used i'm used to chris lives near a lot of human feces as well so it's sort of he's able to slide in and slide out there's no i can i can step over a needle without even looking down it's not a problem for me at all my whole product team and designers are coming this week from monday through thursday and i have to like convince them that they'd be okay by staying here, but I'll report back, guys, because I am a little, like, oh, God. Now, all of these remote workers, because I'm sure you don't make them come into an office as a founder on the bleeding edge, where are they flying in from? Where do these nerds live? A lot of them are in New York, London, L.A. Okay, so they're leaving their beautiful homes to come to San Francisco so they can build with the boss is basically what's happening. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's required. Are you hosting an off-site, or is this at the office? This is a full-on on-site, like, deep dive product. It's going to be so awesome. So very much on-site. But it's kind of funny. We, like, took over – I mean, I don't know if I should say this, but we exist in the prior X and Twitter building. It's just us, T-Y-V, 43 people, three floors. We used to host 6,000 people, so we have a lot of room to grow, but it's –

I heard you guys are hosting an after party, so it might be the spot for your next after party. Yeah, we could do that. I would love an office. What's the cold brew on tap, if you don't mind me asking, and the snacks, if you haven't eaten? It's food bottle. Well, actually, joggy, of course, and food bottle, and some other little crunchy thing. Sure. What alcohol pairs best with the joggy? It's a good question. Well, my husband has a company called Insolita. That's what he forces me to have. Is that tequila? Yeah, it's tequila. Sounds delicious. It's tequila. I need to send you some Joggy. Chris, you don't drink, correct? No, I don't. I don't. Jason, do you? All the time. Okay, well. Jog me down, baby. But Joggy's not alcoholic, right? No, no, no. What exactly? What type of beverage? Because it was CBD vibes before. Yeah, early onions. Yeah. It's always been like under the energy category, but I was drinking Red Bull when I started Dr. Voices and then obviously clicked into the ingredients and it's like, oh, not a recipe for longevity in the long run. So simply became obsessed with like, where can I find the most premium plant-based caffeine source? And next to that, I also was interested in this idea of the runner's high and like, how do we... How do we kind of amplify or make kind of more of what our endocannabinoid system already does with cannabinoids? All right. Slow down. You're not talking to a scientist. All right. Relax. Relax. So you're saying you wanted to basically make a drink that mimics the runner high. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. That's real. I mean, that is something that as a drug addict, I've chased that my whole life. So, I mean, I'll take whatever I can get. You should try a joggy. It's easier. You mentioned plant-based caffeine. Have you explored animal-based caffeine? Is that what these horses are for? What's going on behind the labs over there, Ty? Right. The thrill of the horse caffeine is real. You know, we have Joggy in 2027. We're going to be announcing Trotty. It is horsepower. Exactly. At the big Grand Prix, like the Olympic people, they do jog their horse. And so Joggy fits in quite nicely as a sponsor, you know? I think it's a cute name. Runner's High was our first product. But then, like, all the CBD stuff was just from a marketing standpoint. Like, there's so much gray area. I was like, I don't want to fuck with this right now. So we're going.

Straight after Celsius Red Bull, but with organic plant-based energy. Full stop. Well, I can't drink a Celsius because of the way it makes me look. You know, that's not a tribe I necessarily want to be a part of. And Red Bull and obviously White Monster are much worse. but will I be able to get a joggie when I'm feeling low at the bodega, or do I have to go to a specialty grocer? Because that is a hurdle. More cans and hands. I hear you, sister. I hear you, sister. We'll be in your bodega. In fact, text me. We'll be there next week, okay? Text me the details where you live. Yeah, yeah. We'll drop off a case. I mean, I just think that the specialty grocer thing in New York is not real, you know? It's like a really is a bodega-based culture. Like, happier grocer is not enough to sustain anyone. It's not real. 100%. They should be everywhere Red Bull or Celsius is. It's an obvious swap. But that's hard to do, right? Well, I mean, it's not rocket science. Like, yeah, you just need good salespeople, you know? Sure, but I just mean it's a competitive space is what I'm saying. I mean, yes, but we just – Damn, you're saying you thought we got bread, bro. We're good to go. Ty, I mean, have you tangled with Monster Mafia yet? I mean, we're fighting over end caps, honey. Chris is saying the real shit. It's true. Yeah, I mean, we just – we went into 900 targets and we're like – Right next to Red Bull and Celsius, so game on, baby, but yes. Okay, all right. I just want to make sure we don't end up with a horse head in the bed, you know? I know. Exactly. I'm afraid what those monsters guys will do to your car. Make sure you sweep it before you start it. I've heard when people sell their product to Target that you go to the Target headquarters for this onboarding thing. Is that true? Did you do that? No. This guy loved OV, so I just got like... fast path into the accelerator and just onto the shelves next to Celsius. So that's how I like to do things. But I'm not wrong. That is like a thing that happens. I know. This is my first time. You're talking to the wrong person, Chris. It's like, it's like, oh, you're saying that you have to board the plane at a certain time. Oh, we just kind of show up. So when you, when you walk on the plane, you could, people can turn right as well. What's that like? I've never. Okay. So you bypass it all and target.

Target's an interesting market, though, because I feel like it's sort of suburban in most ways. Is that fair to say? Well, I am, too, now, so this is my lifestyle. I think, like, the high-low, we sell an airline, and you're a happier grocer, but we've got to have the accessibility. Of course, no, I agree, I agree. So that's how, yeah, definitely suburban, but they need energy, too. Of course, and you can buy a lot more of that joggy when you pull up in the, you know. forerunner with the new forerunner, the big Trump, you know, it's a little easier to port at home. Yes, exactly. Wow. Okay. Well, should we talk OV now? I feel like everyone listening is like, when are these losers going to stop talking about? natural sources of taurine from a plant-based source and get into the good shit. By the way, I could, I need, I need to do, I need to do 20 more minutes on, on Tucson, but I'm fine. We can talk about it. Hold on. I just went to the top. My friend, Corey, who lives in Boulder, moved here for myself. He's the one who's like, wait, you got to talk with Chris and Jason. Yeah. And the reason he said that was because he was cooking for us on our trigger outside. And I was like, for some reason, told the wet sprocket. came up. And then he's like, oh my god, we've got to talk to Chris. Can you tell me a little more? I don't know. I mean, I do like a couple of classic Toad and the Wet Sprocket songs. I mean, I think maybe he's thinking Toad and the Wet Sprocket and the genre and time period they represent is aligned with my interests and beliefs. And he's not wrong about that at all. It's an interesting example, but that is not the one I would think. It's more surprising that you're a Sprocket chick, though, is what we're... Because it makes sense. Chris is into that, you know, nostalgic 90s alt-indie. Not so much the grunge, but more so. A mosh pit is my favorite place, my favorite form of doing things. So I think that's probably, you tell me it was Toddlerette Sprocket in that category. Like Future Islands. Toddlerette Sprocket didn't feel quite like that, but Future Islands was like so amazing. Oh my God. Really?

That's a very interesting choice. Future Islands has been on this podcast, and they did a great... Yeah, he's a legend. I mean, he's a legend. Great band. Great band. But I would say Toad the Wet Sprocket... Toad the Wet Sprocket's like... They started in like the 80s. They started before you were born, whereas... But they had a big song. They have like a grocery store song, is what I like to call it. They have a couple songs that everybody in the world knows the word. Walk on the ocean. Yeah, they have several hits. That was from 91. What year were you born, Ty? 88. 88. Oh, great. Good to know. I actually, Ty, before we get into O.V., I have an O.V. story between you and I that I don't think you remember. I know there's something there, so tell me. The first time I was called to Mickey Drexler's office. Oh, fuck. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian. stateside with kai and carter this is covering a lot of our bases jason it's a it's trying to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world and i know you particularly have quite a lot of questions a lot of questions but how often because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot how many times do they do three times a week and i i have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do that's just a guess the guardian is not some billionaire owned They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Hi, Talk House Network listeners. It's your old friend Nels Klein from Wilco here. Wilco is touring this summer, and we'd love to see you somewhere on the road. We're playing shows this June and July in Rochester Hills, Michigan, Chautauqua, New York, Lafayette, New York, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Vienna, Virginia, Forest Hills, New York, Portland, Maine, Tulsa, Oklahoma, Memphis, Tennessee, LaGrange, Georgia, Charleston, South Carolina.

Virginia Beach, Virginia, Wheeling, West Virginia, and Columbus, Ohio. Plus, there are even more dates, some with Willie Nelson that I didn't even mention here. So please go to wilkoworld.net to see the full list of dates. We'll see you on the road this summer. We were sitting, him and I were sitting, him and I were sitting in the office and he was like, what do you think of Outdoor Voices? And I was like, well, I think the tote bag has gotten too popular and they should introduce a new design. And he's like, great idea. And he calls you on speakerphone. And you're getting your hair done. You're like in a hair salon. And I have to tell you this over the phone. And we've never met before. And I have to say, you were very polite. Because I know this happened to you all the time. And it was really fucking annoying. But you were very professional about it all. And I was very surprised. So you were in Mickey's office. next to him what were you doing it's a good question he just wanted to meet it was the first time we'd met he just you know you know how it goes he just calls you he gets your phone number he calls you and he's like i need you to come to the office you're like all right sure bring him to me and that's and that's what happened and then he called you on speakerphone and i had to tell you you know that i thought you should do a new tote bag meanwhile you're like i got a hundred million dollars like fuck you fuck you guys is he still alive yeah he's still alive okay He listens to this podcast occasionally. Okay, so you're still close. Glad you guys still get along. Yeah, that sounds very awkward for you, Chris. It was very awkward for me because I also am like, obviously, this woman knows what she's doing. She doesn't need advice for me. And I was forced to give advice under duress. You weren't hoping to give a stranger... criticism and thoughts about how to run their business unprompted yeah you were literally you were literally like he was like where are you and you're like i'm at i'm getting my hair just like I'm at the salon. I'm on dry bar, bitch. Can I help you? What do you need? That's incredible. Wow. Okay, well, follow-up question, Ty. Did you make different totes? Because Chris told you to. I was just thinking that, but no, we definitely didn't. I wish I listened to you. That could have been cool, limited edition. There's still time. I just thought my thinking was it had become so ubiquitous that you could just do it again and maybe a new person would want it.

Was kind of my thinking, you know what I mean? Because it may be able to align with someone different two or three years down the line. Well, those things still shot around. Like in New York City, every time I go there, I see them. I'm like, what the fuck? No, it worked. So insane. It definitely worked. It worked. It definitely worked. It definitely worked. I mean, they're cyclical. They go in and out, like the Birkin, like the whatever. Every couple of years, I bring my OB up. I was thinking more Trader Joe's, but Birkin is a great example. Trader Joe's, that's going to be a wonderful one. I like this guy. Okay, so also Traeger Grill. What's up with that? I thought you guys were real country. Have you ever cooked on one? Ours is a pig. It's like hot pink and a pig looking up after. It makes the best steak. I don't know. I don't grill, but Corey does. It's cheating. It's cheating. It's not real grilling. Use little pellets. Yeah, it's so good. It's cheating, but I'm all for it. Sure. As long as it tastes good, who gives a shit? I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that. And it's a pig. It's so cute. Like, come on. You got to check it out. Okay. So how, now that you are returning to your horse girl roots, you have livestock and there's children and, you know, your life is different than the first iteration of OV. Has that... influenced the design and choices and the brand ethos now that you're turning your own butter and etc i mean i'm so excited for you guys to see it like you're gonna love the tube top oh that's definitely yeah i need it i need a great tube top in xl just off rip let's go ahead and get that let's go and get why are we gonna love the tube top ty But the DM moms are doing things, honey. I put two aside for you guys. You're going to love them. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So hold on. I just want to understand. You have – I know this is new information, but you have regained control is what has happened. Yeah, and I'm back with OB. You sold it, and then now you never sold it. No, I left. I never sold it. Dang, I should have.

No, there was like a battle of the egos at some point in time, like five years ago, and it just became an untenable situation. So I ended up leaving and there was a lot of... I remember when you left, for sure. Beautiful. I assumed you had divested, but you're saying you just left your position. I just left. I left. I mean, the walk up to that was we had raised a lot of money. So if you look at the ownership, it's like, shit, I delivered myself to the point that I don't have control here. There's a lot more I didn't have to do, so I ended up leaving. And I think it's been over five years. I've started two new businesses since TYB and Joggy. Obviously, having started OB at 23 and thinking for a long time about building this number one recreation brand, it's just in my DNA. So I reengaged a year ago, last August, have reassembled the original creative team and then a new designer. It's been so much fun. And that's really what I was testing for before formally re-engaging is like, am I going to be energized and excited to do this? And hell yeah, I am. So I'm back, baby. And it feels very cool. Well, at least you're not in Austin anymore. That's a big plus. That's a huge plus. That could re-energize someone. How has the C-suite of your other two companies... felt about this new job title i know it's actually uh tyb is the main thing it's a rewards app it's the software company we work with the best like consumer brands anyway the headline is most of the like brands that come in to look at the platform like mention ov and so this will only help help yeah definitely yeah yeah like the awareness around this and then and then this to become a more positive story like i think Hopefully he's great. But yeah, I was a little nervous to talk with my investors because they're like, where are you spending time? And I'm like, dude, I don't go to yoga retreats. I like obsess over creating things. So like, don't worry about that. I got it. You know, sure. But everyone, everyone but one person like really was warm about it.

Well, I hope we got rid of that person. We don't like someone to poison the well. You know what I mean? Sorry, we'll buy you out. Your shares are worthless. Thank you. You just have to digest and, you know, marinate. We'll see. To me, it's very clear that this would help any other thing that you're involved with. You know, that's just an all-ships-rise situation to me. Good for the goose. Good for the gander. In fact, yes, never mind. Keep going. You can make another animal pun if you'd like to. Yeah, it's all good. The floor is open. All right, so how much stuff is going to come out and win? Like, how much shit are we talking about here? How much stuff are you doing? Like, product-wise, I don't want to get into the weeds, but what is the skew count looking like on the comeback? Drop that skew count, Shawty. Oh, my God. I don't know how many pieces. It's the right amount of pieces, but there's a lot of. Very Donald Trump of you. We have a tremendous amount of skews. We've got the perfect amount of skews. Very much good. This is funny. Like, so I obviously referenced Steve Jobs and his comeback to Apple. And, like, you know, the iconic Mac said hello. And when he reentered, it's hello again. And I'm like, perfect, doing things again. And then all of my team, young women, are like, no, it's Trump. Oh, it's funny that you said that. Oh, like make America do things again? Do we want to avoid that? Hey, I don't want to obviously impart any advice on you, but make America do things again. Unfortunately, it's good. Very, very good. It's very, very good. We can get RFK in the campaign. I see it now. I kind of see it now. I see it now. I was down to flirt with it. Don't dive in. Dip a toe. See how it goes first. All right. So you're relaunching with the right amount. When are people going to be able to purchase this new iteration now? It's all about the tease. So the announcement of my rejoining happens tonight, tomorrow, today. I don't know. I think you guys turned this quick. How's the word?

How's the word T spelled in this? Yeah. T-E-E or T-E-A-S-E, just to be clear. Not a joke. T-E-E-Z. Anyway, Vogue Business, break the news. Okay. And then you guys right there also. Of course. But you'll see the product. It won't be shockable yet. And then the next day, tomorrow, OB's community launches on TYB. And the reason you join is you get early access. Oh, I see what your ass is doing. I see what your ass is doing. You thought you were slick. This world building, baby. So you have to join. So you're saying that you – so now to get it, you're saying I have to also – Oh, T-Y-B. Oh, okay. You're giving me – so you're telling me I got a little – I got a – hurdle before I can't just pop my tube top. This is a classic 101 OB playbook. You know those blue doing-thing pots? You had to show up and run. I never saw you get one. Oh, don't worry. I know the fucking hats. I have eyeballs. I remember the fucking hats. I did a mix for the recreationalist and that really unlocked a lot of beautiful rewards in my box. Anyway. Okay, so these things are deeply intertwined, is what you're saying. Oh, it's all, yeah. And, of course, like, when you see the product alive, joggy and joggy green, like, we named a number of the colors and made them joggy green. So everything, it all works together, guys. So we're reentering the Thai universe, and now there's several prongs and ramps on. We're drinking things, we're doing things, and we're rewarding things. Yeah. It's all in the same window. Take me out and I'm coming back. Fun times. Yeah, the original. Okay, now when you decided to come back, how does that process work? Because it sounds like maybe it didn't end on the greatest terms. Are those people gone? Like how does this work? They're gone. Okay, they're gone. A new set of owners bought OB and it was actually lovely. I had done a lot of work to not think about OB, you know, a few years later. A lot of therapy?

I bought a lot of horses. And they came to me before they announced that they had bought it. And I thought that was nice. And then they weren't like, we need you now, but like, consider this. And I'm like, no, I got other things going. But I got to know them over a number of months and was like, hey, this could be fun. And like, you know, this, this from a partnership ownership perspective could make sense. And what a cool story. And I just would like to do this one. It was a year. So you're saying the new owners, before they announced they were buying it, were like, we're going to do this, but we want you to be involved, basically. Well, they felt it'd be important for me to be aware of whatever, the change of hands. And that was that. So that was simply kind of the first touch point. Okay, I got it. Conversation starter. Yep. So you have to sign up. to tyb.xyz you have an account and then you're able to access the ov on the tybxyz as well as the joggy are you able to just when will we be able to go into a store and give them cash and buy a uh august the steeplechase bra lauren sherman wants a steeplechase bra i heard does she need does she have to have a tie coin in order to do this If you make me buy fucking socks with crypto, you're on my shit list. I'm telling you right now. You better give me a cash option. Come back to me in a year, guys. It's going to be all turned on. Watch stable coins. Love them. We don't talk about coin on this podcast. We're anti-coin. Is that like a horse stable or like the stability of a market? Both. The world's colliding. So you're saying August 5th, there'll be a buy IRL option is what you're saying. Well, online, so not really. OK, OK, OK. But do we want to do brick and mortar? It's back, you know, at some point right now. I'm like when on our D to C. And then, of course, we can't resist. But B IRL. So I'm sure it's coming. In fact, I'm going to be in New York City in September. And you guys got to come. So this first collection, I can tell you more. But the second one.

is near and dear to my heart. It's a horse collection, an equestrian collection. And... The Rolex Grand Prix happens in New York on Governor's Island, so you've got to come with me. I've got to show you this world. Well, if I'm invited to that event, I will be able to go. I can't commit to wearing the wardrobe just yet until I see everything, but as long as there's a helicopter or a car service to the island, it's tough to get in and out of there. You can talk to our team about rates and stuff like that. Her name is Susanna. We'll give you her email. It's no problem. You guys all sit along so well. I was just in Bedford, New York for the first time, and there was a tack. store there yeah and it had like a barber section so i just i just wanted to kick the tires and it's fun to walk into a store in 2025 as a 42 year old man and not know what any of this shit is for you know everything on the wall there's all this stuff there's all these people i'm like i don't know what the fuck this is it all seems expensive it all seems necessary and i i wonder if the space is ripe for disruption like what are the olsen twins wear when they are jumping right the tax base is wild right now chris it's the wild west because i can only think of hermes for myself but i i would love a lower price option yes these uh joggers you're gonna look really good in them i will take you through and explain all the pieces it's gonna be so much fun what are the what are the main components of a horse girl wardrobe besides a dad with a lot of money is there is there other that's why i had to get out of it originally like i was so hardcore and then i'm like fuck i gotta go make my own money I'm short of that. I would say the pants, the flesh-colored pants and the black tall boot, I feel like those are the core items of an equestrian outfit. But isn't there sort of a blazer element? When you're showing, yeah, 100%. Maybe for your grandmother's question. No, no, no. There's like a rule, not rule, but is there like a uniform code? There's a hairnet involved. It's the worst part.

It's like honoring or paying homage to the OGs, like you have to wear this hairnet. It's so wild. That feels anti-woman, and I won't stand for it. I know. Once I get good enough, I'm close, I'm going to tear that thing off. We'll just be a wild ponytail. So you're saying you created a horse collection because you needed it for yourself. It's the mother of all invention is your own personal needs. Bella Hadid is in here, too, baby. Like, all these horse girls are turning on. We've seen the horse girls gave a cow. Bella Hadid gave a lot of cowboys hope when she started dating that fucking guy. I tell you what, man. It starts with one. You thought Yellowstone was doing something? No, that's different. This is different. So you're saying there's a chance. You guys don't remember this, but, like, actually, this is funny. When we, like, early days of the merchandise by dog walking, like, Reddit went nuts. So, like, in a bad way they were like dog walking that's not a sport that's not an activity but i'd like to kind of you know go into these more niche little zones and cause a little spark so that's an example but also i need the coast honestly dog walking and ov i see the synergy now it is it was perfect dog walking entire you got it okay this is exciting this is all exciting okay so thank you for giving us the scoop about that by the way it's important it means a lot That's important. I wanted to talk to you a little bit about being married to a country music star and sort of what kind of, you know. line dancing you got to do have you have you had to encounter you know a lot of uh how do you deal with the booth bunnies on the road at the cmt awards you know how does it you know how is it feeling or do you fit in in that because you're you're riding a horse on the red carpet i i wish they were more honky-tonk i don't think i'd say 99 of them have never ridden a horse i'm like what happened to country music baby so yeah 99% of rappers haven't ever squeezed the trigger. 99% of country singers have never been on a horse, goddammit. You think Jelly Roll could get on a horse? I don't. I don't. They're drinking Michelob Ultra and watching fucking Tour de France. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Well, it is kind of funny. Mark and Midland have a duet or duo, whatever you call it, with this lovely girl, Mackenzie Carpenter. I did not know about this. And this song is like...

like make out nation like it's i wish you were i don't know like i have the worst singing voice but it's like this insane duet and then the the video that came out they're like hot and steamy and nearly kissing and he's like babe it's good it's gonna go number one i'm like So this Mackenzie Carpenter, is she a big, fat, ugly woman or is she a super hot blonde girl? No, she's hot. Super hot blonde girl. She's hot. So you're saying Mark volunteered himself as the front man. He's like, well, we can't get an actor for this. I need to do this. I need to take this on. That's his job. I don't make the decisions. I'm like, you should. I don't make the decisions. I can't control what happens. Well, that is managers. In terms of, you know. The relationship goals, the trust issues, you know. If you let – Chris, I sent you a photo of Mackenzie Carpenter via text message. Okay, Mackenzie. All right. The blowout's a little much for me, but I get it. It's Nashville shit. It's Nashville shit. But, you know, these are things that – certain people have to deal with i'm glad that i don't necessarily because it could be a little tough sometimes especially because especially because in your life you're just dealing with nerds so he's got nothing to worry about you're just with these fucking dorks he's like all right babe see you later i'm hitting the road yeah you you're getting swarmed by people like can you sign my copy of this gia tolentino book because i ran into you on the subway and he just has like blonde tens wanting to take selfies with them i'm not trying to get your head time sorry no but that's part of the deal that's part of the deal but there's i mean You know, you knew what you were signing up for, I'm sure. Oh, yeah. It's all good. But is this the first musician you ever dated, or do we have a history? I can't remember that far. Next question. Next question, moving forward. You ever take any DJs down to the water to swim down in Austin? What's it called? What's that place called in Austin? Which one? I don't know. No, the one that's Barton Springs. Oh, yeah. Have you been there? Oh, my God.

Have you been there? It's topless. It's totally not. Oh, okay. If those springs could talk, honey. If those springs could talk. How long did you live in Austin? On and off for like six years. That's amazing. And when's the last time you've gone back? I haven't. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. You can't even step foot in that cesspool. Your Rivian won't even charge there, will it? Do you miss brisket breakfast tacos at all? It's the queso, baby. Oh, my God. No, I haven't been back. There's no mountains. I don't know. You're just saying you did what you needed to do, and it was time to move on, and you don't need to tap back in and go to Clark's for some oysters. It's all good. Yeah, definitely not Clark's. I do hope those girls buy my new energy dress, but it'll be a while before I'm back. Sure. I understand that. It's one of America's, one of those great American cities that was destroyed by nerds. And it's happened so many times. And there's different kinds of nerds that can swarm in and ruin your beloved city. And Austin had such a charm to it. And it's really lost. It's kind of unbelievable. I have an amazing therapist. And she's a couple therapists based in Austin. And like she said, the majority of her work is like negotiating. ruffle situations which never end well and well at all and like there's like a very dark underbelly of like that kind of shit in austin so have you have you seen this show that's on netflix right now called the hunting wives no This shit is blowing my goddamn mind. It's based in Texas, and all these women are religious and rich, but they're having sex with each other and high school students. It's good stuff. High school seniors, they're 18. They're men. It's fine. You can't take advantage of a man. You know how it is. But it does feel like it's capturing. a very sensationalized version of the underbelly that you maybe speak of. But this is, this is not a documentary or a reality show. It's a scripted show, right? It's Brittany, it's Brittany snow getting turned out by, uh, Malin Ackerman. It's a, it's a very, it's good, but it's just a funny, you've watched all of it. Um,

I fell asleep last night, and I missed Brittany Snow's first tit exposure, so we're going to rewind. But, yeah, there's a lot of nudity. My wife let me know that I fell asleep for it, and she was like, oh, you should have tried to stay up for 10 more minutes. Can you timestamp it, babe? Can you see me the timestamp? Sounds cool. But Texas does have an underbelly, is my point. It's real. I'm sure Boulder does as well in their own special, unique way. I'm not saying that you're throupling, but you know. People enjoy drugs over there. I haven't found it yet. She's hunting. Mama's hunting. I haven't found it yet. Speaking of Netflix, actually, I wanted to know if you watched the American Apparel documentary and if you have gathered any. thoughts or taken anything from it i do not have time for that i have not touched netflix at all come on in a long while i know tell me more should i oh good god no the hunting wives is much better than the than this documentary the documentary is bad and it doesn't i don't know i found it to be sort it's like 45 minutes long okay well let's say you haven't watched it we don't but you know you're familiar with the story and it's a similar vibe where you know obviously you and dove we're be right there in one way i haven't obviously he was doing things that you weren't doing and there were different circumstances but you started a company you both are you know strong startup energy people you're moving fast we're doing things blah blah blah left the company and then are kind of rejoined back he did it in a different way he was he did a lot of awful terrible things and had to change the name but you know same kind of vibe have you used him as an example of how not to do things have you used him actually he's an awful person here but i admire this you know like i know sorry he hasn't been um it hasn't been on my mind like it's kind of funny well given i have doggy and tyb like this gets to be kind of my hobby with ob and like it's just spandex at the end of the day so it's not that deep i haven't thought that hard about it um

But I did just buy some merch to put TYB stuff on from Los Angeles Apparel. Is that the same thing? Yeah. That's right. And it's good. It's good. So, yeah. I guess that's my connective tissue, though. I think as bad as he is as a guy, he's the... If you want a blank, he's got God's touch. The motherfucker can make a tee. Yeah, the motherfucker can make a sweatshirt. That's just what he can do. But they're opening a Los Angeles Apparel store in Soho any day now, I think. There's been a whole wheat pass campaign for it. it looks exactly, I mean, it's exactly the same. The advertising is exactly the same as the heyday. And I wonder if the indie sleaze of it all is enough to power it or if maybe there should have been some tweaks to modernize to make it feel like something different. I guess we'll see. Yeah, interesting. Like in parallel to us, we really pushed into more of a fashion lifestyle world. I was kind of sick of like everything just being stretchy tops and bottoms and like that was what existed. And so... We now have infused cotton cashmere signature cardigans that you wear over your Pilates pants and this striped cotton pop one. I love wearing a cardigan with my spandex pedal pushers as well, so I totally get that. It's going to look so good on you in Mustang paint. Come on, baby. Not Mustang. I think I saw an article recently about... We're in a post-leggings, stretchy pants era. How has that affected your branding and company? It's kind of funny. This is the first time I love a legging. We have a new material called bubble wrap, and it has these cute little ties at the back ankle. And I was not a legging girl. I would never tell anyone that because I sold a lot of them. I was about to say, that's fucked up. You bought a couple houses off leggings, so you need to watch your damn mouth. You need to watch your mouth. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. I think you know someone, Ty. I spend a lot of time, well, that's creepy, but like observing older high schoolers and they're all wearing like these super, I know, creepy, me and Dove. They're all wearing these big baggy jeans and I wear big baggy acne jeans. And so there's a lot of like, you know, pants and sweats coming out with a lot of room upcoming as well. But I do like leggings for the first time. Yeah, I think the big pants thing is,

challenging as far as I don't know. I just don't find it. I think people think it's more flattering than something straight leg, and I don't know if that's necessarily the case. I think it's a stylistic choice. I don't know if they're going for flattering. That's true. Young people just want to look stupid. That's true. I think young people just want to look like a thrift sword. They don't give a fuck how it fits or how they look. If you do a giant baggy sweatpants and tiny top, it just makes your tiny little top body look even tinier, which is the goal, you know? Yeah. Of course. I agree with that. More so for fitness and working out. What are people going to wear other than leggings when you're doing yoga or Pilates or whatever? I don't know what they're... Track pants? I do a lot of stroller rollering and I need my bedazzled big sweats. That's just part of the uniform. No, I don't know what you're talking about, Ty. Stroller rolling bedazzled pants? Were you a free city girl? You can be honest with us. No, no, no. I think that's a collab we should get into. I think that's a good idea for you. Outdoor Voices, Free City. We're going more like Five Fingers, Vibram route, whatever one knows. I haven't, but they are quite popular. Those are as hot as they've ever been right now. A friend of ours has a brand called Literary Sport that's very, very good. She styled the lookbook with them like a year ago or a year and a half ago, and I was like... God damn it, these look cool. Well, they just look cool. I was like, these actually look cool. But if I wore those, it doesn't work for me. It doesn't work for me. It's a very certain person. I'll prove in February you're going to be wearing those with your job for equestrian pants. Like we got this whole new look in Vision for you, Vision 40. So do you wear the five fingers? Yes, of course. I have one pair, and they're so hard to get your paws on. Yeah, they're hard to find. So are you wearing them in a daily driver way or in like an exercise way? I mean, I go Crocs with heels to five fingers. Are those the Balenciaga Crocs or are those regular? No, these are regular. Let me see those things again, Ty. They're so awesome.

So we've got a Crocs, and then it has like a Delia's catalog ass. Looks like a goddamn rocket dog. Platform heel. Looks like a rocket dog on the back. This is the hot mom shoe, okay? Maybe in Boulder. Yeah, in Boulder, I can see that. Hey, guys, have you worn a Hoka? Have you put a Hoka on your foot? Sadly, yes, one time eight years ago. That's because of me, baby. So you're responsible for a lot of bad shit. You heard those hoka shoes? That's me, bitch. Hokas are... it's one of those brands though that suffered the product is good but it's suffered from over there's just nothing they can do once it gets that big it's just the people that wore it originally have to reject it there's no there's no way around i could help them i could help them i i think they need to do something without a fat ass soul is what i think that's what brand did you collaborate with with ov and shoes like eight years ago you you started this shit my aunt like hiked up the mountains the flat irons and those and i'm like those are atrocious but she's like let me tell you they are Big time comfortable. And then we put rainbow and all of our dusty pink colorways on them. And then Rada was wearing them dog walking in the streets. And I'm like, that's the perfect OB vignette. Anyway, I'm to blame for that era, yes. And now you're bullish on Croc platforms and Vibram five-finger shoes. Crocs launches on TYB on Tuesday. You guys don't care. But I... Spent three years. Look, I'm a croc lover. I'm anti-croc. I'm pro-croc. I'm pro-croc. Chris is slow to watch it. I think that actually it's utilitarian, not cool or uncool, and I'm not interested in that. That's what I would say about it. It serves a great purpose, but I don't want to look like that. Later. Chris doesn't really need it because he lives in Manhattan. The only time he's ever going to leave. his house is to like go out and do stuff not like go pick up the newspaper or bring the garbage cans out or whatever like there's a lot of uses for your you're in your you're in your defender going to the fucking harris teeter you know what i mean you don't you're not you're not you're not huffing it around new york you need something that stays on your foot what do you wear then uh i wear penny loafers

I wear... Dude. I wear penny loafers. I wear... She doesn't hit you with a dude. A boat shoe, a certain boat shoe. Oh, this guy. I wear... Yeah, I'm a man. Men... I mean, also, let's to be clear, the rules for women are different. Of course, you could wear Crocs. Like, who gives a shit? But, like, you know, when a guy wears them, it looks a little sloppy. It depends on what you're wearing. In a certain occasion. Much like the five-finger Vibram, the croc can be pulled off by girls and gays much easier. They're able to dress it up, dress it down, and it works. It just works. It's harder for a straight to do it, Chris. But when you need to put on a real shoe, what do you reach for? Like a leather shoe. I don't think this is leather, but Nike sends me stuff. Those are cool. But I'm saying a shoe that is not a sneaker. I exclusively exist in this world. What are you talking about? No, what if you're going to, you've got to go to, again, the CMT red carpet. Are we wearing sneakers? I don't go to those anymore. But no, I've worn heels. What about a wedding? I don't go to those either. And so I don't go. Well, you don't have time to go to a wedding. You're like, oh, my sister's getting married. I'm so rude. I've got a 3 p.m. You just don't care. I sound so obnoxious. I'm just going to pause. No, it's powerful to say no. I think it's cool. Okay, let's say your kid is about to graduate from high school. You're going to take him to a nice fancy dinner at the Houston's in Boulder or whatever it is. Are you just going to wear the chunky Croc Balenciaga heels? Yeah, we are. Yeah, well, firstly, Champ, he's three. So, yeah, graduating preschool really matters. It's going to take some time. We've got a little time on our hands. Champ is a good name, I've got to say. I went all the way. Champion, Arizona. So he better not be a loser. This man's full name is Champion, Arizona? That's crazy. He's going to get picked on. If you guys do... Sharing the last name or hyphenated last name? Well, I should have considered that a bit more. I'll probably, like, go to court and, like, add my name in there. Right now it's V-Strak or Y-Strak or something. It's hard to pronounce, but I'll be a Haney, too.

This is good, because I think that... Champion Haney. Based on what I've seen, he's going to be good-looking, which is the only way you can pull off that name. And that's the thing. You can't be Ugo and be named Champion Arizona. That's going to cause you some fucking problems. That's a good point, and I think Ty knows that. It's going to cause you some fucking problems. Have you guys named a kid? No, no. Hell no. No, uh-uh. Okay, talk to me when you get there, okay? I say you've got to pull... I'm not a religious man, but I say they've got to come from the Bible. I think there's a... Eventually, Little Champ is going to start to become a pain in your ass and may already be happening now. When Champion really does something bad and you have to yell his name, what do you yell? I call him Champy. It's so cute. That is pretty cute. Chris's name is Chris, and they're like, hey, Chris, and it's fine. But when he was in trouble and his mom would yell for him to come downstairs, Arizona! Christopher! Arizona. You're the full entire name. Yeah. I don't know yet. Get down here now. I don't know if it doesn't put the fear of God in me. Yeah. I'm not worried about getting grounded. I'm really not. I'm really not. That's why they don't listen. Got it, guys. Thank you. Noted. No problem. No problem. Anything you can learn from us. Let me teach you how to parent time. Two guys with no children whatsoever. We're going to show you how it's going down. Okay. So as somebody who's running a business. uh the rewards system program for for tyb.xyz we see other apps where people are having to share vital information like the t app which was just breached as a as a founder and you see shit like this go down do you have a call with the team to see if everything is you know up to code on the back end as it were I mean, Raquel, our head of engineering, she's a woman. She's amazing. I talk to her every day. But what we're having issues with is Coinbase recently invested, and they do this thing called On-Chain Summit. Again, cringe to you guys. I'm sorry. Hold on. Hold on. You said On-Chain Summit? Is that what you said? Summer. Summer. On-Chain Summer. It's not just cringe to us. It's cringe to anyone who can have sex. It's cringe across the board. Yeah, kind of. But go ahead. It's cringe to anyone who doesn't pay for sex. Carry on time.

Anyway, anytime they promote us, we just get slammed with bots. So, like, that's my issue right now. So we're, like, bot karate chopping, you know, like that. That's the big deal. Bot battle. That feels to me more, you can get over that hump more than T, you know, leaking people's fucking IDs. They're from social security numbers. Yes, they're license plates or something. Totally nuts. But, yeah, going from software. as like pink lighting software w-e-a-r to like software w-a-r-e has certainly been a learning curve Here we are. Okay, so have you started the TED Talk? Is somebody writing it for you? Because there's a lot. Because from software to software. Catchy, right? And you're doing this with your hands. Yeah, you're doing the Bill Clinton. Once I start a big corporation, I would love to have you come talk to my team. I think they could learn a lot from you. I've got $100,000 for you to come to the retreat. Yeah, do you do any speaking gigs? You don't have time. It doesn't sound like you have time to brush your teeth in the morning. Just my own. Just your own standing Monday with the team, the all hands. That's your TED talk. I invite you and then we'll have the after party at the Twitter HQ. You're saying this and I know you're being tongue in cheek. Twitter is my favorite thing of all time. Like, I love it. I don't call it X. That's disrespectful to the medium, in my opinion. But I mean, the fact that someone is in there breathing life into that building alone warms my heart. Warms my heart. I placed the new head of product, Nikita Beer. Are you familiar with him? I'm literally not familiar with any head of product. I know that Linda left. Did you hear that I'm a tech CEO now? So that's who I mingle with. You got it. The nerd. So I do recruiting also. Nikita Beer, head of product. Anyway, yes, I am learning by sitting in on a lot of the X Twitter product meetings. So that's how I do it. Do you participate in Twitter? nowadays do you ever have time to look no it's so so that's like i mean i do observe but i need to contribute okay but you're lurking your tie is still lurking well i i wasn't i'm like way late to the twitter game but now that i do what i do i better be though you have to be there you have no choice yeah uh all right all right ty thank you for joining us on how long gone it was a pleasure congratulations on on uh you know regaining

your position at the top where you belong. We're very proud of you. Thank you, guys. Five fingers. Let's go. Five fingers. Let's go. And hopefully we see you soon. Awesome. Later. Thank you.