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Hello. Oh, wow. There he is. Big TJ. Nice to talk to you. My pleasure. My pleasure. Thank you for podcasting with me today. This is the first ever episode of How Long Gone where both of us are in the same city and time zone. You know, and still we're so far apart, Jason, you know, separated by mountains and oceans and hills and rivers. And still we are recording this podcast on FaceTime. That's right. That's right. Because, you know, it's a dangerous time and a divisive time. And until, you know, we're both clear where we stand, I don't think being in the same room would be responsible. That is true. Yeah, until we get that negative test coming through. But we'll get into that testing. So you just flew in. I know that you had some airport troubles. I don't – look, I wouldn't call it – Maybe not troubles, but you're getting your sea legs back, your sky legs back. It was a new experience for a Sky Team Elite member like myself. I, you know, I reported to the Atlanta-Hartsdale-Jackson Airport, you know, a couple hours before my flight, mask on. I checked my bag, went into the lounge, and was on my new laptop just firing away. Big day on Twitter yesterday, as you probably know. It was a big day on Twitter for me because I did a couple tweets that weren't just me retweeting you posting about this podcast. It felt good. I think that actually, and this is an aside, but I think your return to a greater Twitter usage is imminent and necessary. Yeah, I'm leaving money on the table. I wouldn't go that far, but I do think that your sense of humor is just something that I, I mean, it's the only reason I like you. And I think that people get a little bit of that here, but I think it's different when you have time to workshop the material and really deliver it in a concise way.

Yeah, and one thing that I was noticing about it yesterday was you and me and a couple other people were firing away our takes in an iMessage group chat. The same thing that many people do all the time, but then constantly throwing out 50 jokes an hour about the current events going on, whatever it is. The new Yeezy song or the new Yeezy shoe or the... you know whatever it might be and um then you know if if somebody says something funny and somebody else goes like hey that's that's good enough for a twitter uh you kind of feel like you're in the writer's room and you're workshopping you're bouncing things off and then you have a higher probability of of success on the on the net well i think that's what i think that if you're smart the you know the the close friends group chat is the writer's room of 2020, you know, um, we were able to workshop and bat around ideas with a hive mind, you know, of, of, of people with similar interests and tastes and maybe people that are in my case, at least in our, in what we're talking about, people that I would say are smarter than me and everyone is funnier than me except yayo. So it's, it's, it's, it's a pretty good, it's a pretty good, you know, and there's no snack, so you don't get fat. So it's a pretty great situation. It's a pretty great situation. I don't have to worry about getting parking validated or anything. They say never be the smartest person in the room. I guess that applies to the funniest as well. That same rule applies for me in the game of tennis as well. If you're always trying to be learning and growing. It's true. It was a great day on Twitter yesterday, and you were clacking away on your brand new MacBook Air in the lounge. In the lounge. Obviously, the lounges have changed because of COVID, so they actually suck. The internet was out for the first hour, but that's besides the point. Anyway, I'm in the zone. I'm in the zone. I look up. I think it's time to head to my gate. I stroll over.

I get to the gate, I sit down. There's not really, you know, any people around. But I'm like, you know, maybe it's a quiet flight since, you know, the world is ending. And I saunter up to the ticket counter. And I'm like, hey, is the LA flight boarding? And they're like, yeah, bro, it's fucking we're done. We're about to close the door. I'm like, oh, shit, my bad. So I pull my phone out. I give them my digital ticket in the Delta app. And they're like, Mr. Black, we gave your seat away. You're too late. You know, the flight leaves in 10 minutes. And I realized that because I was in the zone so deeply that I had confused the boarding time and the liftoff. I've done that before. I was like, okay, well, you know, just give me another seat. And they're like, nah, brother, ain't no more seats. And I slinked away. And sat down and had, you know, a little moment with myself where I had to kind of collect my thoughts and realize that I, a veteran traveler, had just made a rookie mistake. And it was, Jason, it was humbling. Did you try asking him the question, do you know who I am? Because that usually works for you. I would never say that, fuck you. And I am nobody and I would never do that. But I do think. And I would like to talk about a little personal growth in this arena, because as a younger man, I would have gotten very upset and had words with the agent about my status on the airline and what I deserved. But instead of that, I walked away calmly and was like, you know what? This ain't the battle, Chris. What are you going to do? This guy's literally risking his life to get you on this plane so you can go out to L.A. and fucking podcast with your buddy. You know, it's like we got to think about what's important here. The word proud doesn't begin to convey what I'm feeling right now for you, Chris. Thank you, Jason. The growth is palpable. It is. It is. I hope you can taste it. So then I go back to the lounge and I, again, start clacking away on the MacBook Air. And then I check my Delta application. And, you know, I'm not only confirmed for the next flight that goes out in a couple hours.

But I've gotten the upgrade. So I think... And we're not talking a business. We're talking a Firsty? Yeah, but again, Firsty in an old Delta plane is not even... It's equivalent to JetBlue Mint. It's not real. It's not Delta One intercontinental lay down shit. Sure. But it's still better, obviously. So I boarded the plane and I made it to LA with my mask on and the... In general, the experience seemed pretty safe, to be honest with you, as far as the distancing and how they're doing it, how the airlines are handling it. And people were wearing masks. I don't think I saw one person without one. And knowing that that's the rule, but still, people hate rules. People really, really fucking hate rules. But something I did find interesting, in the airport itself, a lot of... like slogan redneck slogan tees right like like blue lives e type of shirts blue definitely blue lives e military but blue lives pro military all that shit to me is from the same lineage of horseshit um but just kind of like like I'll kill a terrorist kind of vibe. You know what I mean? Which is like, which feels to me, you know, from a fashion standpoint, a little dated, you know, that's not really the message we're on right now. Well, you know, there wouldn't be the first time that people in the South had some dated fashion. That's a good point. That's a good point. So you saw some shirts that said like, you know, we shoot first, ask questions later, or like try and take. this flag motherfucker or a picture of an American flag but it's kind of tattered and worn and then there's like a something that sort of resembles a punisher mask logo perhaps yes they have they have i mean look they have co-opted punisher which i'm fine with because all that shit is so lame so if you want to put a punisher sticker on your fucking truck by all means take take that from us that's a franchise that you're willing to give up yes exactly that's a franchise i'm willing to lose in this time but you won't you will not give up um

thor ragnarok though right that's that's something that's a hill that you're willing to die on like i said like i said before about cartoons also superheroes are it's the dumbest shit out there i i don't understand liking that i really don't i don't i i you don't like it either though uh no not really i mean i i think there's a difference between a cartoon and a superhero for sure and obviously you know that as well there are good cartoons but Superhero for me, it's been a tough hill for me to climb, to enjoy, aside from a couple. But it's also tough because so many friends of mine, intelligent people, storytellers, directors, filmmakers, whatever, love them. And they sort of have the same argument that somebody might have for liking sports a ton. which is sort of just like, hey, man, come on. It's just some good, clean fun. Let me have this type of thing, which I kind of get. And then it's sort of like you're just being a crab apple if you really hate Marvel movies this much. But I like to be a crab apple. I just don't think that is – Crab me up. Who is it that shit on them? Scorsese? Was just like, we don't need this shit, bro. I think maybe it was Francis Ford Coppola. Either way, if I side with Francis Ford Coppola or Martin Scorsese, that is the right side of history in this case. So I feel confident. I think it was Marty. I think, well, there you go. Exactly. I'm happy. But anyway, so I made it. We're in L.A. Life is good, baby. You know, I can't complain. Welcome to Paradis. And then hopefully, you know, hopefully at some point, once we get all our quarantine sorted and our testing tested, we might even be able to do some How Long Gone in the flesh. Yeah, actually, I sent my test in by mail today, Jason. Oh, okay. Using a service my mom tipped me off to. Well, actually, no, I found it and we talked, it's called Pixel. Pixel.

Yes, which is a great startup-y name, so it made me feel comfortable immediately. But basically, it's $100. They send you everything FedEx overnight. You swab both of your nostrils, put it in a secure tube, pack it, and send it back to them FedEx overnight, and then they email you the results. That's great. I mean, it sucks because there is free testing out there, at least in Los Angeles, but because of the recent... kind of like heightened scare and and the uh the curve not flattening uh i think it's really hard to get an appointment or a reservation right now i know i well i i tried that's the whole thing i i took the link you sent me and then i kept googling and found a couple places and it was all a little bit it was just like not and then they're i think they're closing for the weekend which seems strange to me but uh they got a it's a national holiday bro you got a lot to celebrate that's true so But I found this service, and so far, it was really seamless. I actually really enjoyed it. We should have hit them up before the pod so we can get a promo code and make a little scratch on the back end. But I think, you know, because I posted a COVID testing selfie, Thirst Trap. And the replies were all just like, how did you make a reservation? How did you do this? What are the tips? People are scrambling trying to get one. So if you're able to afford things like the Delta Lounge or $100 for a COVID test, I guess hit up Pixel. I mean, we'll see how it goes. But so far, it was really simple and felt good. like professional the whole situation because you like basically you open it and then you register it and tell them what time you swab your nose and then you put in the mail so they have all the information that is great but you but you did a cheek swab right you didn't have to do the like brain prick no i did not do a brain prick i did i did a cheek swab where yeah you just you put the you put the q-tip in you run it all over the mouth the sides the tongue the roof of the mouth and you're supposed to do it for 20 seconds

And then you put it inside of a little vial and then throw your Ziploc bag into a recycling bin in the Dodger Stadium parking lot. I mean, the whole experience really felt like some type of new world order, like detention center, you know, roundup type of vibe. It was really odd. Because you're lined up in cars and then it takes some time, right? Yeah, I mean, you're basically going to, you know, the largest piece of open land on the east side of LA, the Dodger Stadium parking lot, which is just a huge place that fits tens of thousands of cars. And, you know, the stadium fits like 55, 60,000 people. So it's gigantic. And then it's just filled with lines of pre-I and Teslas just wrapping around it. for you know some some people were waiting you know over two hours and that's with that's with the that's with an appointment right that's what's so confusing it was just it was just kind of an odd an odd thing and then like what do you do if you just like you know you don't have a car like what do you do then yeah it's kind of crazy no i i mean i agree i mean look i think that that it's all very confusing. And, and I mean, I don't know, I'm sure the process will be improved on hopefully. I mean, I don't really, you know, trust the government, but I know there's talk of being able to do like group tests and things like that, that, that, that obviously, you know, squad goals, get me exactly get more people at once, which obviously, you know, increases the speed of the whole process. but look we'll see i mean i i would have rather done that honestly to have the experience and see what that is like but i was not able and the other options that i found um you know like 250 bucks or something which i was like that seems crazy um well you know speaking of cars i also saw on my instagram stories you you were sharing a photo

of the new Haim album that was being played in a car that resembled a Maserati. And I'm very proud of you that you were able to secure a luxury sedan for your trip to Los Angeles. And I would just like a little, you know, like a vehicular rundown and review of the red leather interior carbon fiber dash Mazzy. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web. So do our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues. Obviously. Maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world, writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly. A website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools so those future graduates can find me. And I'm able to accept, quote unquote, donations for my services that might be gray area. You know what I mean? And then email campaigns. Hey, I got a new 2.3 version upgrade. Boom, boom, boom. Get the analytics going. Raise some money. Show your investor all of your cool analytics of what's going on. They're going to want to get in early. And we can use Blueprint AI to make your website look as professional as your competition, if not more. So head to squarespace.com slash howlong for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code howlong to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot. Because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need a fucking something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. And, I mean, it...

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Honestly, you know this. First of all, my ass is bony. Thank you for noticing. It's not a compliment. I don't care how you meant it. I'm going to take it how I want to take it. The car is a loaner that was bestowed upon me by the fine people at Maserati. I'm not a car guy, but I do like nice stuff. It does meet in the middle of I have a beautiful... very fast car for two weeks while I'm here. And it's going to help me get from point A to point B. And that's all you can ask for, Jason. The red leather interior is a lot. And our friend of the podcast, Ben Edgar, referred to it as Twizzler, which I think is really, really accurate because it's not blood and it's not ox blood, but it's also not tomato. You know what I mean? So, but it is a, I just drove it for the first time this morning and it was really something. It has that expensive car low rumble at all times, tickling your intestines on the PCH. Yeah, I think that's kind of what the Maserati is known for, is really devoting a lot of time to the sound of that rumble, so they can really hear you coming. I mean, look, it's very nice, and the sound system's really great, actually. Did you get a chance to open it up on Mulholland yet? I have not opened up on Mulholland yet, but that does sound like something I would do and probably will. And I definitely have to take the PCA. You know what I mean? We can take it down to Orange County and catch COVID, you know what I mean, if we want. But, yeah, I mean, it's very cool and a little nerve-wracking because I'm a pretty good driver. But, you know, that much power is too much for one man, you know? I get it. Well, I can't wait to drive this little son of a bitch. Yeah, you'll fit in there. But the red interior is going to be good for your selfies for sure. Yeah, luckily I'm not above a selfie like you. We know. We know, Jason. We know. I had to use the self-timer this week on the New York Magazine photo for the first time ever. To take your own press shot for the week.

yeah because my mom wasn't around to do it there was nobody there was nobody in the house and i was like damn this is really and people noticed like damn is that chrissy former guest chrissy was like oh i see you're really working that self-timer and i was like okay thank you um it takes takes one influencer to know one thank you jason that's true i i could never compare to her level but i i do think that the photo turned out fine Well, I'm glad that so many of our past guests and listeners are relying on their mommy to take their photo for Instagram, not just you. I bet there's a lot more people out there than we realize, Jason. Yeah. Speaking of putting your face on the Internet, I know like maybe a month or so ago you did one of those live IG lives for thoughts. Yes. And I'm going to be doing one this weekend. What? To talk about what? Well, that remains to be seen. Well, I just wanted to get some tips from you, you know, a style star on how to navigate. Well, I don't know what people are going to want to ask me, but I wanted to bring it up also just to promote it if anyone wanted to. Bro, you're so tall, question mark. Should be on Sunday afternoon, just FYI. It will be – it's very fun. I really like the experience. And I think that – no, you just got to go off top. You can't – I mean, I would review the – luckily the questions are public, so you can review them beforehand and at least have a little idea formulated of what you're going to say. Get something chambered. Okay. Yes, exactly. That's my advice. And you thought you did a pretty good job? um is that what you think i uh well look jason don't put me on the i don't know if i i leave i i leave i leave the the the that decision up to the fan you know what i mean that is not up to me that is up to the participant but um i love that format a lot and i've watched most of them and i really like them great okay um we uh we were talking yesterday a bunch about our friend kanye who put out a new song

What are our thoughts on it? I mean, it's not the worst thing he's ever done. He's getting better, but I'm feeling like it was a little mid, but I don't know what Kanye has to do now for people to unanimously enjoy his product. I think that maybe his Trump allegiance has really made it an uphill battle for him to... He can't just release a song and have everybody... just freak the fuck out anymore people i actually yeah i kind of agree with that but i also think that if he put out a true banger that people would be willing to cross party lines yep that's true and i just don't think he can do it or i don't think he's interested in doing it i'm sorry i think that he's just i mean like the gap thing is going to be interesting and that's like a pretty crazy move for everybody involved but like that just i think that to me proves where his brain is you know what i mean i think it's like he's about to do this full kind of like comeback press you know full court press of like music videos gap blah blah you know what i mean i i i just think that that's unfortunately the world we live in now we're to get attention you kind of have to do that but it actually makes all of the products suffer i i wonder if if it's an age thing because kanya you know he's what 40 something 41 or 42 or something like that Damn, that's it? Maybe he's older, but he's in his early 40s, and I think hip-hop music is really a young man's or woman's or person's game. If it is the voice of the current generation and the youth and the streets and all that stuff, if you are a middle-aged person, it's kind of like whatever happened to Jay-Z. Nobody really checks for Jay-Z, and his audiences are just a bunch of washed bros, and then they don't even know what. Hip-hop is definitely very unkind to the aging, more than maybe any other genre. And I'm sure there's a lot more to unpack there about why that is, and why that doesn't apply to a lot of other genres.

I think so much of it is rooted in current slang and pop culture and fashion and all that stuff. When Jay-Z was rapping about, it's not cool to freaking buy expensive clothes. You have to get a 401k and all that stuff. Nobody really wants to hear that unless you're a dork. That's true. The thing is, Jay-Z to me is unlistenable. Um, but he has at least, he is at least, I mean now obviously, but he's at least done. He made an album for his age group, which I respect greatly because I don't, I think understanding like, okay, like I can fake the funk and try to talk like a 25 year old, or I can talk about the things that are actually authentic to me. That is, that is what you should do as an artist. You know what I mean? Is try to be as authentic as possible. So I, I'm into it. um from an idea standpoint from a sonic standpoint please keep that shit away from me yeah i mean just me personally as somebody who is old and washed old and washed i mean you know i'm not as old as kanye but you know if i've i'm in my late 30s and i have spent a lot of my years listening to and and playing rap music and like i just don't i'm just not really like feeling it the same way i was feeling it when i was you know in my teens or 20s it just so much of it just sounds dumb to me and i think i i get it i get it i get it i agree but i mean i think that also like in the kanya example too it's like um i like it seems like such a reach for me to just put travis scott on it you know what i mean because he's the most relevant like person that could get you radio play you know what i mean like you could go weirder than that but it might not be a guarantee but then the song is still too weird so i don't know what the end i don't know what the end game is for him or if people even i mean i don't think people care especially because i think what people are really interested in from him is the touring and he can't do that right now um the most positive

Kanye stuff I've heard about in the last five years is live performances, whether it was the Yeezus tour, he was on the fucking floating stage, or even this dumb gospel shit that people love. People loved a lot. If you can't do that anymore, that is going to severely hurt you when that's the most positive thing that you can do press and publicly, as far as people talking, fans talking. It's hard out here, bro. And also, and everything is sort of gauged on the, is it a banger scale? And now, like, we don't really have a use for a banger because there are no clubs. Well, that's why, yes. But I think bangers still unite people even when they're not in the club. That is true. I have bonded over banging. I, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like there could be, maybe there's one on this new post, this, this pop smoke album. It's true. You know, I feel like he could give us, I mean, those, his two songs that are very good are very good in both bangers. Yeah. Um, okay. I also saw speaking of drugs, Johnny Depp's drug dealer, drug dealer text messages. That's actually to his assistant, which makes it even better. Bro, he's literally living in a Hunter S. Thompson fantasy world. No one talks like that, dude. Yeah, when I was reading that, it really did feel like Hunter Thompson cosplay going on. I mean, it was. That's actually what it was. And that's the scary part. But I don't know. It seems fun to live that way, though. To just live just so absurdly like that. Well, Jason, you can do it too if you become a very, very rich actor. I know. I don't think that's going to happen for me, though. I don't think so either. How old is he? He's got to be in his 50s, which I think the only people that can do cocaine into their 50s are people who've done it consistently since they were in their 20s. You know what I mean? I think it's some like if he stops doing drugs, he'll die situation.

You know, a Keith Richards, a Keith Richards kind of vibe. But like Johnny Depp sitting in that weird apartment downtown LA, like doing coke alone is so depressing. He was, he was in a, he was in an apartment downtown. I didn't know that. He owns like a crazy apartment, like a famous building downtown. And he has, he has like forever. It's like some crazy, like famous, you know, I don't really remember the details, but yeah, it's a very, it's a very known thing about him. I'm sure he has multiple properties in the greater Los Angeles area. Not for long. And today, Ghislaine got popped finally. Ghislaine going to the Federales. Ghislaine. Do you think Big Ghislaine going to rat? Are you thinking she's going to 6'9"? Or do you think she's going to keep it real? Rat on who? On whoever is alive? Or rat on Epstein post-Homisley? I think both. I mean, I think writing on people who are alive obviously matters the most. I think everybody understands that Epstein's a monster and did everything we've heard he did. But there is something to say about getting true confirmation for that and also taking down a wild level of celebrity. Yeah, I mean, I guess will you get your sentence shortened if you are writing out somebody who's already dead? Is that a moot point? Or can it still get you a relaxed sentence? It can definitely get you a relaxed sentence. Also, I think that the police department is in desperate need of any good press. So being able to take down former President Bill Clinton is a pretty good look for the police and the FBI and whoever is involved. Do you think they're going to take Clinton down before they take Trump down? Definitely. Or do you think he's not even going to take Trump down at all? I think Trumpito could skate on everything, bro. I don't know. I honestly, it's kind of insane to think that, but I feel like Trumpito could skate. It's not insane to think like that. I mean, it's very plausible. I mean, bro, he's retweeting guys saying white power. Like, that is truly where we're at, you know? So, like, think about what I just said. The President of the United States retweeted somebody saying white power and then said, oops, I didn't watch the whole video.

basically like that's fucking crazy like that so so yeah maybe maybe he is his head can get off from literally anything yeah i mean even just five years ago imagining that happening is is an asinine thought and now it is pretty commonplace but i mean i heard i heard you know i read there was a rumor online a couple days ago that he's he's feeling down and might not run uh in 2020 Which is funny, but also, like, of course he's going to fucking run. There's no way. You know what I mean? I don't know. I mean, I think there's a chance if he really does think he's going to lose because that's probably the thing that he's trying to prevent more than anything in the world is a scenario where he potentially loses. I mean, that's a good point, actually. I think losing is the worst. And I think that's why the Tulsa thing was such a blow to him is because he, like, was publicly embarrassed, which I guess a loss is the same for him. Yeah. I mean, are you considering going back to Canada? Are you considering leaving the country? You know, Jason, of course not. I mean, of course we'll go back to Canada, but I do think, especially let's just shout out to Canada Day. I know it's a holiday fraught with violence to indigenous people, much like our problematic 4th of July. But, you know, it's still something. And, you know, God bless Feist. So you're going to ride America till the wheels fall off. I mean, Jason, this is my home. You know what I mean? I cannot abandon my home in its time of need. Also, I can't legally go anywhere else. So let's not forget that play is a factor. Yeah, I mean, just yesterday I canceled a flight that I had for Spain. You did. You pulled the trig. Pulled the trig, yeah. Yeah, they were making me decide. I had until July 10th.

to decide whether or not if i wanted to get be able to get a refund on the on the ticket that seems that you were going to spain correct i mean i i uh i mean you probably made the right decision i i did i just don't think even if i'm legally able to and allowed to visit it's just too unpredictable whether or not I'll even be able to enjoy myself on holiday just with the tensions and everything going on. I wouldn't even be proud to walk around as an American. I would just be like, eh. Well, you could probably do your Australian accent and get away with it for a full 10 days if you wanted to. I mean, I could pass as a Spanish person until I open my mouth. But visually speaking... Visually speaking, it's true. I have Mediterranean features. You do Mediterranean. God damn it. I will probably travel to a foreign country as soon as possible. You know what I mean? At a time when other people wouldn't. And that is, I know, stupid. But that's just who I am. you you i mean why do you think that's stupid because it's irresponsible or uh i don't think it's iris i mean sure in some ways irresponsible but i think it's just like anything else you know like when you're buying technology they tell you you know don't buy don't be by the first one by the second one you know what i mean don't don't be the first to do anything right wait until they work the the bugs out yes exactly so i think that i think that they're that that kind of thinking can be applied to this as well. You're proud to be the guinea pig. I wouldn't say proud. I would say, uh, feel very drawn to that kind of behavior, which is probably something that means is probably worse than I can, I can imagine in some way, but we'll see. Also, you know, man, they might not let us go for a fucking long time, you know? Yeah. Um, and I'm okay with that. All we need is the internet, right?

You know, I thought that, and now that I can't go anywhere, I don't agree with that sentiment quite as much as I did. I mean, this time last year, you probably did a very good bit of traveling, didn't you? I mean, yeah, I was going through my taxes with my dad, and just, yeah, I was literally reminiscing about, I mean, this time last year, I was in the fucking south of France, you know? And that is something, Jason, that I miss. And now you're in the south of Studio City. bitch yeah i mean i guess southern california and southern france like you know small differences sure um i i've been talking to some people about potential revenue streams you know diy food pop-ups and things like that what uh If I were to do something like that, what type of business do you think I should form? I'm not going to bake anything. Thank God. Maybe we could pull up with a How Long Gone burger stand and just let it rock. One burger, vegan, one burger not. That's the options. Cheap and cheerful, get out of here. Cheap and cheerful, get out of here. But I mean, otherwise, I think I don't know enough about food preparation, but it seems like things take a lot more than I understand. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like doing anything requires like equipment, obviously, and like space and blah, blah, blah. I'm asking you because you, you know, you don't, you have a clear, a clear mind. You don't have any of those, you know, restrictions clouding, clouding your creative process. That is true. That is true. Uh, I mean, or maybe like an icy situation, you know, some summertime. I see. Well, maybe like a new Orleans style snow cone. You know what I mean? A snow cone, maybe a soft serve swirl of, well, we have to, we have to be dairy free. So that's something I'm taking into consideration. Okay. That's fine. You can do that.

What ideas, if you, I mean, don't give away the cow, but what are the, have you been batting around some real concepts here? I don't know. I mean, some, I was just talking to a friend before this and they were saying like they have a, they have multiple friends in who started like little bakery pop-ups on Instagram, you know, selling things and have been able to find some pretty good success doing that. But also, it's not that sustainable because it's sort of illegal as well. Um, you know, just business wise. Yeah. People who have an actual bakery business and are like, you know, having, you know, paying employees and taxes and, and all that stuff. Well, I could see, I mean, just then it's, I guess it's going to be you setting up a classic lemonade stand in the front yard in Glendale and crossing your fingers, you know? Um, do you see business in your world? changing or picking up at all as time progresses you mean nature healing um yeah i think in some regards yes uh i mean i also think people are just kind of like ready to get on with it i mean everyone's everyone's been ready to get on with it but ain't no it to get on with is the problem no no of course of course but i mean i think that there is at least like you know planning for the future where for a little while there i think it was like no one was even really talking about that so that's you know that's positive i mean i think that the attitude i mean la right now is a little weird because they you know they like kind of took a step back yesterday but that's not necessarily the case in other places so that plays a factor i think yeah i mean it's just To me, all that stuff changes every single day and it's just such a question mark on what the future of anything is looking like right now. Well, there's no good information. I mean, that's the problem. It's all like, you know, conflicting or changing so rapidly. It's almost impossible to know what is the most accurate and there's no leadership. So, you know, just wear a mask, I guess. You know, that's really it. Wear a mask and try to get this guap, you know?

Yeah, I'm also dreading the day where unemployment stops happening. I think that's soon, right? It's kind of soon, yeah. They might extend it, I don't know. The real issue, at least in New York City, which I don't know if that's the case here, is the eviction stuff. What's going on at that? Well, I mean, I'm not an expert, but what it seems is they didn't stop rent, but they did stop evictions. So now people are just... are going to get evicted. Like, you know what I mean? It's just like, it makes no sense. Like you should have, if you do one, you need to do both. Um, so now basically it's as of, as of, I believe July one, you can get evicted now. And so it's going to be, I mean, I've read crazy figures. It's going to be like 50,000 people are evicted, you know? So, so they said like, we're going to put evictions on hold and then now time's up. Yes, exactly. Yeah. I mean, you can only, I mean, you can only wait so long before your ass needs to start doing something about it. It's just a very confusing, it's a very confusing approach. And also of course, you know, affects again, you know, lower income people of color, not, not exclusively, but definitely, you know, more. So it's just, I mean, I think it just shines a light on more of the systemic stuff we've been talking about, but also it's like, I think eviction, I don't know. I think that kind of stuff like homelessness and eviction are things that are really easy for people to understand because it's very, whereas with race, it's hard to picture yourself in someone else's shoes. Like I think being homeless or being evicted is a very easy thing to process. like yeah not like easy to be like oh that could be me you know what i mean or like i know how this works it's a very simple process like you don't pay rent for long enough and you are kicked out and you have nowhere to live yeah it's a really dark time to be alive it makes me uh it makes me yearn for for the earlier days i guess but yeah man in 2008 we were fucking popping bro but

I mean, you know, the world, but, you know, so much of the world back then was also just way worse. Yes. Well, I mean, it's all, everything is always, you know, I mean, it's always going to be bad. Everything's getting better and getting worse at the same time. That's kind of, that's kind of how it goes, you know, but I mean, you know, man, we're still here, dog. We're still here, dog. So, you know, we have that going for us. Thank God. Look, what would we do without podcasting? I mean, this is truly the outlet that we need. I would probably be, I don't know, Petco, greeting customers. That was a rhetorical question. I know. I would love to, you know, I think it'd be fun to. to to work you know like with my with my hands or something but i'm not able to do that because i don't know how so i know a lot of people have dipped into like you know personal projects you know of the improvement variety and i i am not able i mean you you you're doing that in some way um damn right before the but i'm saying even before i know you were out there landscaping like a true green thumb yeah so you're not you're not such a handy gal No, no, she's not, but I am, um, you know, I'm pushing myself physically. So maybe that counts or something. Yeah. Have you, have you worked with your trainer in LA yet? No, we start tomorrow in a public park to be named. Um, so I'm very, I'm very excited. His name is Hunter and he's from Nashville. So I feel like him and I are really going to get on. And he's, you know, you know, he came recommended from former guests and friend of the show, Ryan O'Connell. So, Oh, Hunter. That makes it extra special. Hunter's going to put you through it. I think he is going to put me through it. I think Ryan was like, Chris is really in shape. He can totally handle it, which is obviously not what you tell a trainer. No, no, no. They're going to test you. Exactly. I have not been able to do my prison workout in one month now.

damn bro why just because your shit's all fucked up at the cribbo yeah yeah yeah my the the workout area has now become a ground zero for construction there's just essential workers i see yeah since i've i've i've uh given the space up to my essential workers but yeah i mean it's just there's just dust and wood and saws and tile and shit everywhere so it's it's not a it's not a kettle zone for me unfortunately well i mean it's been it's been really weird not i mean could you imagine not working out for one month i wouldn't do it i would take the kettlebell to the park like a real man i don't know what you're doing like excuses excuses yeah i thought about that maybe i should just do that fuck it i literally took a rental car with me okay like I'm not saying that's the extreme you need to go to, but I'm saying that's where I'm at. So just maybe base it off of that and see how far you're willing to go. I've been trying to look at it like some type of forced cleanse or vacation from extreme fitness where this might be the longest last break. Unless I'm sent to jail for some reason, this is going to be the longest I'm going to go without working out. i'm trying to maybe you know just enjoy it and make the best of it and then really build that build that up so i'll be motivated to then work out very well for the rest of my life until i die you know well i love that you think one month's gonna keep you motivated literally until you die i think it could okay go off i mean maybe look anything is possible you know i i i don't disagree but i do think that um you know i just don't want to see any weight gain so you need to get back to it bro yeah that that hasn't happened because i'm still not eating meals but but i you're biking you're hitting the street i'm doing cardio only i'm doing i'm doing 30 mile rides i rode inside of the river um this week not on the not on the river path but inside the actual la river like you would see in an 80s movie and it was disgusting

The LA River, they tried, but they just failed, correct? They tried to make it a nice thing that people can enjoy. Yeah, they did. In some areas, it is pretty nice, but it's still radioactive sewage cruising around. I thought that's what Glendale was like, too, but I guess I have to look at it differently. You do have to look at it differently. Try on the all-new Glendale, bitch. How does that fit, loser? But they open restaurants and stuff on the LA River that are good, and people would be encouraged to go there, but it just doesn't really work? Yeah, well, people outside of Los Angeles, when they hear LA River, they think it is an actual river, like they might have in the failing Chicago or something like that. But it's like a storm and sewage drain is what it is. It's there. So if a flood happens from a crazy rainstorm, all the houses won't be swept away in the rapids. And then also sewage goes in there too. And then I guess drains to the ocean. So it is a nasty fucking place. That doesn't sound good. But there are parts of it. where people will ride boats in there and go kayaking and fly fishing and all that shit. I've seen that kind of behavior before and it seems insane, but I guess desperate times. Yeah, I also ate shit riding my bike in the river last week. Oh, you did? I did. Well, I ate shit walking my bike on the river to avoid... A Viking accident. Damn, bro. You should not have admitted that. That is whack as fuck. I know. It was embarrassing. Your goofy ass took a tumble. Did you have your helmet on too? Of course I had my helmet on. I did have my helmet on, but there was a part in the path that was blocked off for construction. You have to walk kind of into the sloping river. And it's something that I've done like 10 times before.

But this time, there was a bunch of construction gravel and shit. And then my shoes just slipped and just did a full face plant. And my whole leg was just covered in blood. It was pretty bad. Last week? Yeah, last week. Is there a scar? There will be, yeah. But I had to. It was kind of interesting. I mean, I'm fine. It's no big deal. I got some of those clear tattoo patches things that you got. You remember those? Yeah, those are amazing. They really work. Yeah. I mean, I stuck those on, and the healing was really, really sped up. It's crazy. I feel like they've always existed, and then we just didn't know about them. Yeah, Tattoo Hive discovered it, and now it's really hitting. But it was weird. hurting yourself in public in in a quarantine because i i literally i was i was like an hour and a half away from my house on a on a bicycle and i just i all i had all i could do was just ride home because you just dug it you just dug it out solo dolo i plugged it out solo dolo but like You know, that's the how that's the how long gone spirit is what we're calling that. That's big TJ right there. Goddamn fucking right, bro. That's big TJ right there. It's my equivalent of shitting yourself on a marathon and pushing through. Is that kind of energy going on? But like I was I was writing and then I was like, oh, here's a Starbucks. I'll just go in there and like clean my clean all the blood off in the bathroom. But like, you know, no, there's no public bathrooms like this. So I had to like beg them to give me. like two napkins to try and clean the blood off me. But it was, it's, it just, we're living in a, in just a whole different world where nothing, nothing is the same anymore. Uh, damn drag boys. But yeah, don't worry. I'm fine now. Okay. Well, I feel like I would have known if you were actually injured because we, you know, contrary to popular belief, we do talk to each other when we're not podcasting. That's right.

Which is, I wonder if other podcast hosts, it's strictly business. They probably don't talk as much as we do. And that's why we have these loyal listeners, because they can feel our relationship growing and evolving, just like their relationship with the show. That is true. And they could maybe find parallel similarities with their friend groups as well, or family groups. Yes, that's also a good point. That's also a good point. But yeah, I wonder if PJ and his homeboy from Apply All are getting a slice on the weekend. No, I mean, the energy that I get from most podcasts is that the people involved just hate each other at this point. Or at least that's kind of... It's like a band, but way less cool and way less money. Yeah, keeping it together for the check, but the check is only like... however many casper mattresses you can you can push but yeah i think i'd like or at least i'd like to think that they all hate each other i mean that is a parallel i mean there are parallels between uncool podcasting and very cool being in a band you know um and i think one of those things is like you deal with each other so much that there could be some um hatred of brewing uh but usually i feel like that stems with bands from touring and having to spend so much time in close quarters you know yeah that and then i think kind of creative differences as well and i don't know if there are too many creative differences in the podcast world it's aside from like deciding what advertisers to work with or not to work with like oh man i can't i'm not gonna do fucking stamps.com bro we're better than that can you imagine being better than stamps.com We're never going to have that problem because if there's an advertiser that wishes to work with us, the answer is just yes. The answer is we're busting it open for a low price. You know what I'm saying? No, but I mean, thinking about having a conversation where you're like, one person does not stand with stamps.com, which is truly the most democratic advertiser I can think of. No, but there are things, there are brands that you would not.

you would not advertise for or maybe yes there no there are brands that i would not do there are none that you would not do and that would be the argument that's a good point and i think maybe because i feel like there would be a way that i mean i i love a challenge as a creative and there might be a there might there's always you know like i always admire podcasts or podcast hosts who are able to you know make make something out of a bad situation, i.e. a terrible brand or sponsor or advertiser, and put your own interesting spin on it to where it's entertaining, it gets the job done, the brand is happy, and then your listeners are sort of in on the joke that you were kind of quietly making fun of the brand the whole time. That's a skill that is really hard. I do think that is cool. to be able to do. And I think that that is interesting, especially if you can do it in a way that your fans get. But I think the God to your level is when you're able to do it where the brand kind of knows that you are making fun of them and they're okay with it because they're, they're such a fan or they're impressed by your, your skill and ability to do it. I would say that our Bill Burr is the King. I actually don't ever listen to his podcast, so I don't know. I mean, I used to a lot, but every ad is literally him just shitting on it. Right, right, right. And then brands will be delighted to hear how he shits on them. Yeah, well, I mean, that is the most authentic way to advertise on a podcast. But I wonder, does that translate into sales, though? Or is it just a marketing expense of like, I know... I'm going to give Bill Burr $10,000 to talk about our watch company. I know he's going to hate it. It's going to be stupid. He's going to make it sound bad. But I'm just a fan, man. It's going to be awesome. Well, I think with a podcast of that size, it's like Bill Burr talking about ZipRecruiter.com. ZipRecruiter is a service that if you need it, you use it. If you don't, you don't. There's no taste involved. You know what I mean? He was doing the ads for...

club w which is a a wine wine thing and he would say it in in george w bush voice right that is fucking funny as fuck but like yeah if you want a wine club you're gonna it doesn't really matter it's like not taste based in a weird way yeah i really hope this whole wave of podcast advertising never goes away because it is it is a little too good to be true for a lot of people and a lot of people are able to make a pretty damn good amount of money from it and i hope the bubble doesn't pop uh i agree it's also like i like to hear that i like listening to ads like i don't skip them i think it's interesting to hear how people do it but i mean i guess we're into that yeah um i i that's another thing is if if you're a host that is able to do an ad read where you don't skip it that's that's huge and also very rare That's true. Maybe is that something that we can work on? I'm ready for the challenge, Jason. When are we going to play tennis, Chris? Bitch, it's on site. I played last night. Officer of the plane, two-hour session with no rep, bro. It was [redacted address] for me. EST. All right. Maybe we can play tomorrow. I have the trainer tomorrow and then a call, but we can discuss times. Okay. I'm playing on Sunday. So, yeah, I can play. I can play tomorrow. All right. This needs to be documented, I believe. At the court at your house, in the yard, or are we going to go to a different one? Well, I don't think we're going to play at the house. God, could you imagine if I had a tennis court at my house? Jesus Christ. I could. Would you rather have a pool or a tennis court in the yard? Oh, pool for sure. Really? I mean, pool is just more fun for everybody. It's true, but then people are always coming over. Jason, you and I are both social animals who would love to host. You're a great host, Jason. Thanks, man. Well, all right, Chris. We did it, baby. We did it. Thank you guys for listening.

We hope you have a terrible 4th of July. Fuck America. Fuck 4th of July. Fuck Beyond Meat. Fuck Beyond Meat. I'm getting Chris to eat some real ribs this weekend. He's just going to take a little bite. It's no biggie. That's not true, but at this point, does it even matter? Who cares? That's the spirit. I've got you to eat beef before. Let's see if I can do pork. I forgot about that. What a moment that was. Yeah. Okay. Well, great, great talking to you, buddy. Great talking to you as well. I will see you shortly. I'm about to literally go ride my bike over to your house and hopefully smoke a cig with you. Sig blasters. Let's go, baby. All right. Follow me on Instagram at them jeans. If you want to look at pics of me smoking a cig with Chris and make sure to give us a, a nice rating review on Apple podcasts. It really helps us out with something. Maybe, maybe it doesn't follow Chris at done to death presents projects, all of it. Wow. You really mugged that up. We'll talk to you later. Bye. Bye.