568. - Molly Baz

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? We're here to get the vibes right. Them jeans. How are you feeling? I'm feeling pretty good. I'm finally sort of adjusted back. to normalcy a little bit after some good night's sleep in the last few days with or without medication. But it's something I was talking about this morning on my morning walkabout with Carolyn about the dependency on a sleep aid, whatever that may be. That could be a Tylenol PM. That could be a Xanax. That could be... that could be warm chamomile tea. Do you think there's some dangers in becoming too dependent on something to fall asleep? I don't think there's any dangers to becoming addicted to chamomile tea, but maybe to Xanax, yeah. I guess it's less of the crutch itself, but more of the fact that there is a crutch at all. Should we be striving to do the hard, real work, which is... Sleeping like our ancestors did? No. The cave people? Sleeping is too valuable to mess around. To take a year to figure out how to fall asleep, it doesn't seem worth it to me. Chris says, don't mess around with that. I think the biggest problem we have with sleep is that we use our phones or watch a TV until the very last second.

And that, I think, is actually what's the worst. You want to tell that to my wife? I mean, watching TV before bed is fucking cursed. But it's unavoidable in some areas of life. Unavoidable in some areas in your life? Like when you move in with your wife? Yeah. I mean, exactly. Because there's no... I don't do that. I've never had a TV in a bedroom. I don't like that. It's weird. You know, I like to go into Chris's bedroom. And just see a bookshelf full of books. And then I'm like, yeah, I'm fucking him tonight. You know what I mean? There's no bookshelf either. It's more just about a restful, clean area. Maybe a single chair. Maybe a couple of bedside lamps. But we think we need to be entertained until our eyes cannot stay open anymore. And I think that has affected our sleep rhythms. Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, we think we need to sort of because we need to, but we'll talk more about this with our guests. I'm sure they have some thoughts. I mean, yeah, maybe. I guess everybody has thoughts on this. On Sleepy Weepies? I guess everybody has thoughts on this. That's true. Did you see the Kim Kardashian GQ cover? I did. I did. I was actually just reading in front of the show Sam Hines' fashion show notes on the CFDA Awards, and I saw a lot of... Amiri and Kid Super. I wasn't able to read the whole thing. America is suffering. You got Tom Brown and then you got a lot of other stuff. At least Amiri is a very, very profitable business, so I can respect it from that standpoint. It ain't for me, but it's making a fortune. We know how we feel about Kid Super. We can keep moving. The Kim Kardashian photos I really like. I think it's very cool. Yeah, I think Carolyn is friends with the set designer, and I was telling her to send my regards because I liked the sort of Robert Kardashian.

Power desk with the Diet Coke. That was good. I think the selects were a little too Cheeto heavy. I think one Cheeto photo was all we needed. Two is a crowd. You know what I mean? What are your thoughts on the Cheeto gate? I didn't even think about it. I'm more interested in her wearing the vintage Dash boutique t-shirt cut off for the midriff look with the skims. I think that's really for the heads, if you remember the famous Dash boutique. Yeah, of course. I used to have a Dash keychain given to me by a friend of the show, Chris Chang. Well, that's a nice gift. That's a very nice gift. But yeah, I quite like this. Their Miami location? Oh, stunning. It's such a great selection of swimsuits. Honestly, it made so much sense for the beach. The swim pool? That's so much great stuff. But yeah, I really liked it, and I think that it's so... There's like three photo shoots of Kim Kardashian, her career that are good. And this is one of them. And the other one is her at the Beverly Hills Hotel by Theo Winter. And there's definitely one other one somewhere. But what about the ones that just came out where she's sort of they're copying the we magazine with the opera ski situation? Those are pretty good. But I love it. The people are like, I can't believe this is a direct. And I'm like, yeah, that's every single photo you've ever seen is a direct ripoff. The Bezos and his fucking fiance photo in Vogue, that is a Ralph Lauren picture. That's okay. Who cares? What I find interesting about this is the algorithm, how it's feeding you and it's feeding me to sort of have opposing viewpoints on things where all that I saw on my Twitter feed was... People saying like, damn, Kim K's art director snapped on this shoot. Wow, this looks so dope. I love it. So there's like a sea of people who have no idea what the reference is from. And then the other half are the people, I guess not half, maybe 10% who are familiar with where that reference is from are like, oh my God, this is so fucking convoluted and it's a direct bite.

And I guess we live somewhere in the middle. I don't know. Well, I mean, if people think. But I mean, you look like an idiot if you're like, guys. this is here's the direct reference blah blah blah it's like okay you don't you look like you know you look like a fucking nerd you know that's what you look like but that's what people people think that a gotcha moment can exist in any form you know and i i just don't i love i'm a justice kink i get it i i'm not uh but the the um the the bezos uh lauren sanchez shit is so sick i love i love it love it You mean just a photo of my bad bitch riding shotgun with me? Well, there's several photos, thank God, for us. I haven't seen them. There's an entire editorial, but it's just so smart for everyone because it's like this is what the media is supposed to do. Someone is bad, but they have so much money and power that you have to do this, and it works for you because everyone is talking about it, good, bad, or indifferent. But it was the biggest thing on the Internet for at least 24 hours, which is the only point of anything now. We're making memes about it. It's a real win for the Vogue Corporation, but also for – I just think it's like – I think it's funny and cool. And I think it's kind of camp, and I think that's why people aren't that mad about it. Yeah, and I guess in the – in the the ceo billionaire wars you know just imagine what that photo shoot would look like with elon musk you know i mean i guess he doesn't have a down-ass bitch like like bezos but like if it was with grimes or something imagine what the art direction on that shit would be i mean Putrid. Rancid. I think Elon is definitely not happy that he got passed over for this one. I will say that. But he don't have a powerful chick like Lauren on his side. So the story wouldn't have made sense. Okay. Well, here's a follow-up question. I know we have a lot of Condé listeners, and I don't want to ruffle any feathers.

Obviously, this is not a direct thing where Bezos has to pay to be in this magazine. That's not how it works. No, no, of course not. But maybe a little donation in the right direction? Is something getting greased anywhere? I mean, look, if I'm anyone in power, I would like Jeff Bezos to owe me one. I don't think anything has to be exchanged. in any way i think it's an understood okay it's an implicit chris is giving godfather 2 no i just mean i just think that's really you can't what are you gonna do one day anna i don't think anna has a known charity of any kind that we're that we're aware of so i mean this is how this is how the power players work chris i don't want to be the one to tell you but you should already know this right now that's you know charities is where it all goes it goes down in the dms of The ASPCA, it goes down in the DMs. Charity is a great way to hide money, avoid taxes, and give your loser best friend a high-paying job as CEO. That is what charities are for. And we all know that. Or your fuck-up brother is the CEO of your fucking dog charity. But... I always thought when I was younger and I would be like, you watch a TV show and like a celebrity, maybe like celebrity chopped and they're like, all right, who's your foundation for? And they always have like a hype. They know instantly it's a hyper specific personal connection to themselves. And if I had ever had the opportunity to go on a game show where I was too rich to keep the money, God hope that happens. I don't know what charity I would give to. I would just give to one that has a funny name. You know what I mean? I don't think I would. It's tough. Like, gun to your head, you've got to answer right now, what charity would you give to? I'd be like, I don't know. It's tough. How do you pick just one? I'm a big literacy guy, but I guess Planned Parenthood is probably the easiest and most important one. See? I'm a big literacy guy. I didn't know that about you. Yeah, I mean, I think it's an important thing for...

everyone globally to have access to learning how to read. I do, actually. This is not a joke. I don't disagree with... The importance of literacy. I just didn't know that this was a tentpole feature of CB. I'm tickled by it. I don't care about things like blood diamonds or shit like that. That doesn't bother me. So I think I would probably want to donate something that hits more close to home if I did win the jackpot. I'm like, do I do PETA as a throwback Thursday energy even though I'm about to eat a steak today? Do I just do it for the... Because it's fun, you know? You give $20 million to PETA just so they don't throw red paint on you when you wear your fur. See? I mean, honestly. No, that is payola. That's payola, but payola is fine. There's nothing wrong with payola. There's nothing wrong. The way this society is set up is you've got to pay for things you want, and sometimes that can't be public. And that's just how it's got to be. If you want to survive in this dog-eat-dog world, you've got to be ready to grease some palms, Jason. You know that. Yeah, it's true. I'm addicted to Amazon Prime. I need it. I mean, this morning I woke up my coffee grinder. I'm absolutely addicted to Amazon Prime. I'm a prime minister. I pray at the altar of the Zahn. No, this morning, my coffee grinder, trusty coffee grinder, which I've had for years, my old friend Jeff Sawyer had an extra one. He gave it to me, and it's just been, Been holding on for, you know, 10 years probably. And then today, it just straight up, the motherfucker died on me. Oh, no. Out of nowhere. So let me guess, you hopped on Jeff Bezos' Amazon.com slash prime platform and you ordered a new one that will arrive maybe later today or tomorrow. Literally, yes. Well, first I hopped on... failed platform bon appetit and got the top six grinders uh that oh you because you think there might have been there might have been grinder advancement since since jeff gifted you i had a ballpark of what i needed to do like there's one there's one that's sort of like the tried and true one that all the real kind of coffee heads have it's called the the barraza encore it's just like

That's the tried and true never lets you down. Shout out to our sludge.com readers. This is for you. That's like the date just when you're just getting your feet wet. Everyone's going to be like, okay, let's respect, but it ain't no bells and whistles. You want the Cadillac XTS of this shit. The old TT would have been fine with that one. Also, this one, it's still a $150 grinder. It ain't broke boy shit. It's still an exorbitant amount of money to pay for a fucking coffee grinder. But there's another one from the company Fellow. And they do like those kind of popular pour over tea kettle things. And they kind of have like a modern minimal design. And I like showed that one to Carolyn and then the other one. And she's like, yep, you're getting that one. How much more did it cost? It was that one's like 200. Okay. It's more expensive, but it's still in the same range, and it's going to look handsome on my counter. You need a workhorse, too. You be grinding often. Daily. So I think it's important for you. Yeah, we do have a guest today. Molly Boz is a cookbook author, a bestseller. The new book is called More is More. Yeah, it is called More is More. I like the title. There's several other words on the cover, like get loose in the kitchen, which I also like. But, yeah, the new book is there. She used to be a Bon App person, and she has a new Crate and Barrel collab. Getting money, baby. I love to see that. Yeah, she has a whole collection of utensils. I was doing some research on Twitter. Somebody said her kitchen looks like she lives inside of a HIMSS ad. So there's much to talk about. I recently read that she likes to put ice cubes and salt on her cereal. And, I mean, I think we can just do a whole pod just about that. So let's give her a jingle, please. Honestly, I bet. I wonder if low-key cornflakes with salt slap. All right, this episode of How Long Gone has brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable.

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as your competition if not more so head to squarespace.com slash how long for a free trial when you're ready to launch use offer code how long to save 10 off your first purchase of a website or a domain sorry about that don't worry about it don't worry about it totally fine it happens all the time you're not like an audio professional so we didn't expect much honestly I kind of am, though, which is what makes this embarrassing. Oh, are you? Are you, what, an audiophile? Did you go to the Musician's Institute? Yeah, like, what are we talking about? Berkeley? No, I just released a whole audio cook-along experience in my most recent cookbook. And so, like, I recorded recipe walkthroughs for many of the recipes in my book, like, months and months of audio recording. Okay. And I used to have a podcast. So all this to say, I should know how to connect to my fucking headphones. Not your first time around a pair of cans is what you're saying. Correct. But it does feel like the first time every time. Well, I mean, that's why I love beats. But I didn't know. Okay. So recording recipe walkthroughs is, I guess, your version of an audio book. Is that what you're saying? Kind of. It's like, you know, an audio book would just be me like reading the words of the page of my cookbook. Yeah. Instead of doing that, I recorded like a whole separate set of content that you can access through QR code in my book, where like if you pull up the QR code, it will take you to the audio cook-along experience. Of more is more. Okay. So this is like when you go to a museum and you get the headphones at a tour kind of thing. It's like supportive content. Was this your publisher's idea or your idea? No. Or a third person who smokes weed's idea? My idea, me and my friend Declan came up with this idea a couple years ago because we were like, we were just talking about how cooking video, sorry, we're just like jumping right into it. We can back up if you want, but just because we're doing it. No need to back up.

Everyone listening already knows who you are. We don't need the whole backstory. Okay, great. We don't care where you were born and stuff like that, please. Yeah, neither do I. Who are some of your favorite chefs? Cooking videos aren't actually super helpful in terms of holding your hand when you're learning how to cook because they're edited down into eight minutes. So you just miss all the stuff, all the boring stuff. and there's so many like details and all that boring stuff that gets edited out that's important to learn as a cook and so I was like how can I better support a novice cook and so this audio experience is meant to basically like I am in your ear the entire time from the second you open your cook the cookbook and decide you want to cook something to the moment that the meal is on the table you're plugged in and I'm being like okay Now that your onions are chopped, set them aside, clear your cutting board, and we're going to get into the garlic. And I'm just like, every step of the way, I'm talking to you. You're holding the reader's hand. Correct. How long is the longest one of these? Because I want it to be like a four-hour thing, bathroom breaks. There are bathroom breaks. We play music in the downtime, so there's classical music. It's like if you've got 20 minutes and something's just simmering, I'm just like, clean up your kitchen live your life like i'm gonna play some music and i will i will um signal you when it's time to come back in so you can totally go to the live what is your signal when when the classical stops are you like and then everyone has to come running into the kitchen i think it's like So no, it's not like a rooster. I don't know. I should have had a rooster. Maybe one of those kitchen triangle bells on the cowboy ranch. Yeah. It's something like that. Yeah, that would be nice. That's a nice. That's when it's supper time, if you ask me. Yeah. Anyway, so that is why I should know how to connect to Bluetooth on my headphones, but I somehow don't. And then the podcast that you did, that was through Bone App or was that solo?

Or kind of both? Jason, I cannot see you. You look like you have a, like, gas mask on because of the way your angle. It's just like, you're just like this. Okay. How many fucking, how many water bottles do you have? You just picked up one. I do. Wait, look at this. Okay, I have three glasses of water, a water bottle, and a coffee. For everyone at home, the cups that Molly just held up look like they're kind of from like a Pizza Hut in 1992. I'm so glad you got the reference. That's exactly what I was going for. I didn't know those were still available for purchase. Yeah. Okay. You mean because they're vintage, Chris, or because it's a sustainability issue? No, because... Because I was like, those are actually the cups. They are the ones. Do you have a crushed ice machine at the crib, Molly? No, but I do have three different shapes and sizes of ice. Crushed isn't one of them, but then I keep crushed bagged ice in my deep freezer. I hope you're listening, Santa. Okay, okay, okay. Because I love making cocktails with crushed ice. So normally I do have four types of ice. Okay, I'm not sure if my peanut brain can process more than one type of ice. Can you imagine if you had the ice molds in little peanut shapes as a side note? Could you imagine peanut ice? I could imagine. What are the types besides a cubed? You've got to give it up for circle. Semi-circle. Semi-circle. It's here for the half moons. Okay, so you put a half moon on the bottom of a rocks glass and pour your little concoction over it? Is that what we're doing? Yeah, so there's like one that's like a large, like, it's like more of a square with rounded edges. It's not like a... A proper cocktail cube? I know guys that drink whiskey. Do you brand the Molly Ba's logo into the cube? No, that's like a whole other, I think, level of success I'll have to unlock if that's going to be what comes out of my ice maker. We're still working towards that. Goals?

Again, Santa, if you're listening, this is good. And then there's like the classic half moon, you know, just like semicircle vibe. I don't love those ones, but they're kind of like, they're my everyday ice. You know, they're just like not very special. And then there's like... Half moons are your everyday ice? Damn, girl. You're living good. You're living good. That's living good. Living. What's the ultimate crushed ice cocktail? Number one. what are they called a smash like a whiskey smash or like a bourbon like a bourbon drink i want i want crushed ice and like a a bourbon and sweet tea or like some kind of like muddled mint bourbon type of derby yeah that reminds you like a japanese like a like a oolong high like a like oolong tea and whiskey and crushed ice a little like kind of minty syrup in there yeah i feel like really like mint and crushed ice really go well together okay all right nerds quick question um quick question uh Now, do you chomp on any of this ice? Yeah, I am an ice chomper. I'm sad to admit. I'm a big chomper myself, but I don't chomp at home. I only chomp. Why are you chomping in public? That seems ass backwards. I don't have ice at home. Is this performative chomping? This is his version of breastfeeding in public. Oh, I know. I would never breastfeed in public. Oh, no. Oops. No, I don't have ice at home. I've never had ice in this house in my life. I've never used it once in this house. You don't have an ice cube. If you wanted an ice cube right now, you'd have to leave the house. I would have to hit the local 7-Eleven and fill up a Slurpee cup. What am I going to do with ice? I don't drink. What are you going to do with ice? I keep water in the refrigerator. I don't need ice. I don't make smoothies. I don't eat at home. What do I need ice for? I can think of something, which I feel like most people... If I have a hurt shoulder, I guess I need it. Well, you know what? Here's something I do with ice. Daytime LaCroix out of the can. Nighttime LaCroix. You put LaCroix over ice? Yeah, I'll do sparkling water with ice. Is that that crazy? No, it's really not. Fuck both of you. All right, nerds. Hold on. Chris, you're watching Yellowstone. You order the prime pizza, a nice over ice cubes Topo Chico or something like that. It's pretty good. No, no, no, no. We're ice bullies. Well, just not out of a can.

Out of a bottle, because it's more laborious to drink from, maybe over ice. But a can is made for slugging. Well, I think it's just a matter of whether you have room in your fridge for your cans. Because if your cans are cold, there's nothing worse than a room temperature la croix. And so I don't have a lot of room in my fridge. Oh, I would love to show you my fridge right now. Which fridge, though? Which fridge? Who, me? Do you only have one fridge? I have a wine fridge, but I feel like I don't like putting, like, Spindriff's and La Croix's in the wine fridge. It just feels, like, sacrilegious. And then I have my regular fridge. Of course. That feels like something you'd have if you were, like, a gamer. Yeah, you want to have, like, a beverage fridge. Yeah, my beverage. Which we talked about a lot. Like, we need one of those. Okay. I want to show you my refrigerator right now because it's truly five cases of plain La Croix lined up. and three cold brews and two bottles of champagne, and that's all that's in the fridge. And no food. No food. And a human skull, and that's it. Only a few body parts, but those are in the freezer. But you don't have a garage fridge for your game? No. For your awful cuts? No. Where do you get your pigeons from, Molly? I actually do have deep freezers and fridges down there. Um, and they are, they are filled with like, uh, backup, like turkey stock and bone broth and like chili. And like, I have like whole turkeys in there. So I guess technically it's game. So is this like a prepper thing? Is it like in case there's a power outage kind of thing or? Um, I don't know. I'm, so I cook for a living. Um, and I don't know if you're aware of that. But, I mean, since you cook every day, why do you need backup chili down in the garage? You know what I'm saying? It's not so much a need as, like, something nice to have. It's something nice to have. It's something nice. You know what's nice to have? Fresh chili. Not frozen. Yeah. And backup chili.

I had backup chili for dinner last night, and it really saved the day because I was cooking all day, but I was cooking nothing that I wanted to eat for dinner. And then thank God for the backup chili. Thank God. Hey, babe, I'm going to go down to the basement and get the backup chili. I'll be right back. Just give me like 15. That's literally exactly right. Babe, can I? I need to expand my brain. Backup chili shouldn't be this shocking to me. Can I borrow the headlamp? I got to go get some chili from the basement. Correct. Speaking of ice cubes. Wait, can we circle back, though? Yeah, I want to speak about ice cubes further. I'm not ready to walk away from the ice cube combo. Okay, well, just one more ice cube thing, and then we could move on to other things like your book and et cetera. I was recently reading The Perfectly Imperfect where you had a segment about people need to be salting their cereal as well as putting some ice cubes in the bowl of cereal so it's colder and it's saltier, better seasoned. Correct. And we would be remiss not to sort of dissect this for a long time. Well, okay, I was going to say, we're not going to walk away from the ice cube combo without acknowledging the most important way to use ice cubes in the world, which is in cereal. So I'm glad that you did your research. Yeah, so I just feel like the eating experience is much enhanced by ice. cold milk like freezing cold milk if you think about like how your um cereal is at room temperature you don't store it in the fridge it's at room temperature so the second that you put it in your milk everything's like plummeting or i guess going up in temperature and getting warmer and there's like nothing the temp is drastically changing yeah and there's just nothing um less refreshing to me than like a a moderate temperature bowl of cereal. And I think it's like something you can't relate to until you've had ice cold cereal. So if you're sus right now, that's because you've never had it. That's because you don't have ice cubes in your house. And so it's not even. That felt, that felt.

Harsh, but go ahead. You're missing out. Well, it feels, it was very like. It is harsh. You haven't met Jesus like I have, so your brain wouldn't be able to comprehend heaven that I'm experiencing. Yes. Do you refrigerate your cereal? Oh. Yeah, that's why I have no room for my little quads, because my shelf is just taken up by cereal. I'm just saying, you know, if it's a temp on temp war, that'll help the battle, right? I think the refrigerated cereal would moisten in an unpleasant way. It wouldn't stay crisp. All of this fucking ice glorifying that you're doing makes me think you're in the pockets of big ice. Yeah, that's actually not a bad idea for a sponsor. Yeah, let's get the Frigidaire sponsor, the Sub-Zero sponsor. Well, here's what I think. Sub-zero, we have the refrigerator, we have the freezer, and there needs to be a tiny fridge-freezer in the middle just for the milk. Where, like, if the freezer's 30 degrees, the fridge is 50 degrees, a nice, you know, 40. And it's a tap. It's a milk tap for your cereal. And it almost comes out. And it comes out exactly the right temp. I mean, that's honestly genius. Hello, Strauss? We're so focused on the salt and the ice that I'm interested to know what is the cereal. Is this like a Corn Flake? Is it a Cheerios? Is it Kashi? Yeah. Is this a healthy cereal that will benefit the need for salt, or is this already a... A mass market cereal that's full of sugar and salt. And don't say one of those startup cereals either. No. This better not be paleo. No, no, no. It's a magic spoon. No, no. I'm like a pretty classic when it comes to cereals, and I'm not like a health cereal person. It's like not the time and the place. So, okay, I'll tell you what's in the roster right now because I just went to the grocery store the other day, and I'll tell you what I have on my shelf right now. Life, which...

It's currently a front runner for me. I think it's my favorite cereal. But it changes all the time right now. It's weird. I thought you were young. I thought you were pretty young, but I guess you are 60. You look great. You look great for me. Is life really that old? Yes. It's not like there's new cereals. Cereal hasn't innovated. But to me, life reminds me of Time Magazine. For some reason, they're synonymous. with age and amount of letters and everything. But Time Magazine continues to reinvent itself the same way Life Cereal does, Chris. I think of Life Cereal more. I mean, I think it feels like something that people eat to keep them regular is the vibes. But I mean. I think you're confused. Although I have been regular. So maybe it is. Is it the live? Is it the cubes? I don't know. Okay. So life, that's a huge number one. So life is number one. Okay. This is a deep cut. I don't even know if you're going to remember this one. Crispix. Of course I remember. Are you kidding me? What do you think we are? Okay, so you guys are old also. I'm not serially literate. Yeah, we're about the same. I think we're older than you, but we're generally the same age. Crispix is sort of the cousin of the Chex in many ways. Correct, and I feel like Chex gets the limelight, and most people reach for a Chex in that type of moment when they're looking for a savory corn. you know, woven type of texture. If I'm craving a hexagonal woven texture. I'm going for Crispix, personally. Yeah, no, I was, I grew up in a Crispix house myself. And did you ever notice that what's cool about Crispix is it's, I think it's corn on one side and wheat on the other. They're bicolor. Not only are they woven, they're bicolor. Okay, okay. I don't want to make this about sexuality. Don't do that. Chex segregates the corn and the rice. And the rice and the wheat. And Crispix brings it together. Yeah. And that's another thing that we can talk about if you want because I think that there's like a huge business play to be made in mixed.

bag cereals of like this is like the perfect blend and it pulls like like let's say general mills is like we're going cheerios rice krispies and frosted flakes all in one box okay molly are you high right now no i just know this is well So much. This is a genius idea. Good idea. I can't believe I never even thought about that before. I feel like someone's going to steal it now. You can't be the first person who has presented this to them, but it would be cool if that was the case, and it would be sad if they stole it. I wonder if I could do... I might be able to do a partnership with General Mills and do the Molly Box. Yeah, this is like... And it's my perfect mix. This is like a celebrity having a meal at McDonald's, like a Lil Nas X. Happy meal, like you hand select what and the amounts. It's also, it could be a Nike ID thing where you go online on General Mills, 20% this, 8% Grape Nuts, Bing Bang Boom. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Upload it. It's a great holiday item. I'm literally putting this on my to-do list right now of reach out to General Mills. Okay. It seems like this could be tough for the co-packer, just logistically, but I don't know. Anything's possible with cereal. Molly, don't forget about the other ideators in the room. Yeah, totally. You guys will take a commission. Chris and I are kind of angels on this one. Small, small, but we would also like our own box. I'm looking for a seat on the board. Okay, what's the third cereal? Okay, then we have, oh, so I just picked up a box of Golden Grahams, which I haven't had in years. I am absolutely loving them, but one thing I will say is that I think that Golden Grahams deserve to be eaten on their own singularly in a bowl and shouldn't be mixed with other things because their flavor just overpowers the whole bowl. Golden Grahams feels like a good option for dry snacking as well. Absolutely, yeah. They don't leave you with dry mouth either. I went through a phase where I ate a lot of dry cereal as a snack. What was happening in your life at that point? Why?

pills no not this isn't even when i was a drug addict this was just when i liked cereal i don't know i mean i just what has happened since like i don't understand chris is not a big milk fan yeah i don't use milk or milk substitutes really in my life at all because i don't put them in my coffee and i don't I don't know where else I would have it. You know what I mean? Well, you have it in a smoothie. You just don't like, like, creamy, the creaminess? Or, like, what's the beef with milk or milk subs? No, there's no beef with it. I mean, I do like an almond milk cortado occasionally, depending on what the offering is at the local coffee shop. Same. But I just think milk is – I just don't need it, kind of. Like, I don't – it doesn't – it doesn't come up in my life a lot, you know? And I also drank, I think I could have OD'd on it when I was a kid. I think I drank, like I, Jason, I've talked about this. When I would come in from like playing with my friends, I would just grab a cold, tall glass of milk and suck it down like Gatorade. Oh, willingly, voluntarily. Yes. And I think that's, I was like force fed milk growing up. And I found like, it was like, you can't leave the dinner table until you finish your glass of milk. You're like, I'm watching Mad Men. I only learned to love milk. when um i was about like eight years old and my parents were forced feeding me whole milk um at dinner and i was like i hate this and i was like but dad i want to try your beer and he was like okay and he drinks rolling rock and um he was like okay you can have a sip honey and i took a sip of his beer and i was like this is phenomenal maybe that wasn't the word i used when i was eight and oh my god the hops oh my god love um I was like, this is the beverage for me, not the milk. And so from that point forward, the way he got me to drink my milk was by spiking it with Rolling Rock beer. And so I would drink beer-flavored milk at dinner every night. God, that is twisted. And that's why I still love milk. Do you know what the ratio of beer to milk was? I think it was a 12-ounce glass of milk. And I'm thinking we're doing like...

Probably two tablespoons of beer. Oh, okay, okay. We're doing a glug. A responsible amount of beer for an eight-year-old. For all the parents listening, try this and let us know. Yeah, like I wasn't getting fucked up. Let us know how it goes. Did you get a little bit of a head change at least? Not that I recall. I just remember being like, damn, that's delicious. That's amazing to hear because beer is something that I always hated and never... I've had probably five beers growing up or just like even as an adult. No, when I was mixing Stella Artois with cocaine, I never loved it. You know what I mean? I just I just was like, how many vodka sodas can you have? And I always just there's an attachment in my mind that beer makes you fat, you know, and I don't know if that's true or necessarily true. But that was what was not. I only I only wanted my skinny girl drinks, to be honest. I feel like milk would make you fatter than beer, like in equal measure. You, the guy who goes and chugs milk out of the fridge. I'm just thinking calorie for calorie, milk is fattier. Well, Molly, it's funny you say that because I was fat when I was doing that. So thanks for bringing that up. Thanks for reminding me of my typical childhood. Well, I just feel like you're blaming beer for something that maybe the milk is actually. I would never blame beer. And thank you to our friends at Anheuser-Busch. We love you guys. Also, knowing Chris's mom, it was definitely fat-free milk. It was definitely skim milk. We were only doing skim at the Black household. We were only doing skim. Oh, in that case, yeah. Anyways. What kind of milk do you drink now? So in my cereal, I drink oat milk or whole milk, depending on just kind of like what else is going on in my life at that time. If the milkman was able to stop by or what do you mean? Yeah, if the milkman pulls through or not. That's another thing we should bring back. the milkman like i wish that that was still a thing can you imagine it's so charming um it was like a hot milkman that just dropped off a couple of gallons i can imagine and like i love it or a milk woman there's somebody doing that in northern california for sure yeah definitely somewhere in marin um but in the morning with my

or my cortado, if you will, I drink pistachio milk. But the pistachio milk is only for that, and it doesn't ever find its way into the cereal. I like this. Molly's making money. You hear that? She's drinking pistachio milk. That's not a cheap nut. She said, get your money out, Macadamia. No, I always have a disclaimer about that because when I say pistachio milk, people are like, oh, my God, this bitch is balling. And actually, I buy it in bulk from this place called Barista Underground, which is like a wholesaler. For coffee shops because it's the only place I can get it at the same price as the hotel. Barista Underground? It's half off. It's 50% off on Barista Underground. And they let you do this without showing your kind of like barista ID card. Yeah, like it's actually just a website for like the common people, but they like make it out to be, it's bulk. But you can just like go on there. You don't have to have a retail store. It's a great place to buy milk. So you're telling me that you're buying a, what, a case? Is that a 12 pack of pistachio milk? No, I think it's six. I think I buy 24 at a time. And I usually do two case rounds and they're in the basement. 24 at a time? They're self-stable though. Good point. Okay. I mean, look, I buy in bulk too, but I don't, I guess I only buy like two or three things in bulk. It sounds like you might be a bulk daddy. Weirdly, no. Like it's kind of just a statue. Because are you like a don't talk to me before I've had my coffee type chick? Yeah, but not like, I'm not like wearing, I don't have a bumper sticker that says that. No, no. It's not about letting other people know. It's about do you identify because I'm a little bit of that kind of person as well. Yeah. I, too, am grumpy if I don't have my pistache. Yeah. I mean, I think I don't want to. It's not my preference to socialize or interact with anyone before I've had my coffee, I would say. Do you eat breakfast, though? Not really. And so cereal for me is like dinner, a dinner play, and I'll eat like a lot of it.

How much of a box? If you're looking at a 16-ounce bowl, I'm probably doing two of those and then a couple extra handfuls on my way out. You know, just finishing it off. You know how I know that you're a food professional is you keep referencing ounces. I have no idea. I have no gauge for that whatsoever. Yeah, and I said like a tablespoon of beer. You're like, what the hell is that? Like, what the fuck are you talking about? A 16-ounce bowl? I don't know what the fuck that means. Yeah, I mean, I write recipes for a living. That means regular-sized cereal bowl, I should say. Like a cereal bowl. Because when I was... In a similar time where I was sucking down the milk, I would get a big Tupperware-style bowl, fill it up with Cheerios. We're looking at half a box. I don't know what you mean by that. What is a Tupperware-style bowl? He means like a large mixing bowl. Like a storage bowl. Like a Macaulay Culkin makes a giant and eats it with a big wooden spoon kind of thing. A mixing bowl. Yeah, sure. Like a stacking mixing bowl. Yes. Okay, stop flexing on me. In my household in the South. We just had Tupperware. They're fucking plastic. Okay, sorry. We didn't go to Sir La Table when I was 12. Okay. I'm just trying to get a point of reference for the volume. It's a 64-ounce OXO mix. It's something you would toss your salad with. Jason, can you translate for me? Yeah, I feel like the guy in the Super Bowl when they're signing the national anthem. So you're eating salad-sized bowls. I was, I was, but now I don't eat very. I try to eat. I really try to not eat very much. Cereal or just very much at all, period. Food. That's cool. I love that. Yeah. Respect. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything.

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Cereal, I do love, but I feel like if I dip my toe back into that delicious box, that I might drown. Yeah, that's why I stay. Because Jason actually dabbles in the dark, dark arts of cereal as well. Yeah. So it's something that he also likes at night, right, Jason? Like a dessert. Yeah, I eat that as my dessert. But it's usually a healthier, like a heritage flake. type of something. Oh, yeah. But also I'll do a honey nut Cheerio every once in a while to keep it spicy too. Or like a multigrain is like the honey nuts for the health nuts. I like those. I like those. Yeah, my wife loves the banana nut crunch as well as the honey nut Cheerio. I used to like a grape nut. Yes. You ever do a grape nut? Yeah, I've done a grape nut. I actually, I have recipes that use, like I cook with grape nuts because they like kind of are. savory and weird and like they kind of aren't cereal though it's me you got you got a grape nut chicken well my grandma used to make wheat germ chicken where you would you would like toss chicken and wheat germ on the outside and bake it and it was sort of like a 70s health food like faux crunch to it wow maybe you could do that with was it crispy Crunchy? You know when you go to a health food restaurant in Santa Fe and here's the tofu crunch bowl and you're like, it tastes like how you think it's going to taste. They tried, but it's still tofu. It's still wheat germ. Germ is not really additive here. It offers some crunch. The illusion of a crunch. I think, yeah, I think there's a, there's like a whiff of crunch. The same way impossible creates the illusion of beef, you know? Did you ever, Molly, were you ever, were you ever a vegetarian or a vegan or anything when you were younger? Did you ever go through a phase like that? No, no, never. I've been a meat eater through and through, yeah. Where are you from? Where are you from? Upstate New York. Oh yeah, probably, yeah, that makes sense. Probably not a popular diet upstate, you know? Yeah, my brother was actually, but he like,

um went through a lot of he explored a lot of identities when he was younger where i was like pretty clear on who i was and um so vegetarianism was damn veganism shout out shout out to your bro was he into punk and hardcore or did he just discover it because he like no he was he went through a pretty serious punk phase then like yeah and then like as he got older that just kind of like Turned into just like an anarchist kind of phase. Oh. Or I don't know if they're phases. I mean, I think there's still like things that he identifies with. Could you call him an eco-terrorist? He was very into like a veggie burger. Was that? I said, would you call him an eco-terrorist? No, I would call him a, I would call him a falconer because that's where he landed. You know what? He landed right on the wrist. The falconer is a pipeline that I didn't know existed. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it does. I'm telling you, it was a journey. And now, yeah, now he trains birds of prey for a living and uses them for like pest abatement and stuff. Pest abatement, you say. So you're saying I hire your brother. He comes over the falcon. and gets that possum out of my yard? I think it's more like he scares the pigeons away. Like, whatever is scared of a falcon. Okay, sure, sure. Such as a pigeon. So he'll go to, like, he'll get hired by, like, a hotel. Like, I think the Ace Hotel downtown LA hired him because the pigeons keep shitting on the roof, and there's a rooftop pool up there. It's not a pool. It's more of a hot tub, but I understand what you mean. Yeah, that's true. And he, so he'll get hired to fly his cocks around and scare the pigeons away. And if he does it like day after day, they change their patterns and they're like, we don't fuck with the Ace Hotel anymore. And then he moves on. It sends a message to the pigeon community that this is dangerous. We're going out of the Four Seasons. They don't have guitars in the rooms. Come on, guys. Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, this is a thing that I've heard. I've heard another guy.

Scott Galloway on his podcast talk about this hotel in France that had that problem every morning at brunch. It's like a fancy hotel overlooking the water. And there'd be pigeons flying in trying to take people's breakfast while they're eating it. And then every morning they would bring a falcon out. Two guys would come and they would unmask it. And the falcon would just instantly kill a pigeon. And then all the other pigeons just never come back that day. Yeah, that's literally exactly what he does. That's honestly very cool. I feel like, you know, as a person who has several fake jobs that require me to text and stuff, you know, like doing good in that way with your hands, you know what I mean? It's pretty hot, honestly. That's the only way to describe it. Chris, maybe that's why you don't like a beer because you're just doing emails all day. Whereas if you're out there, you know, the sun, the elements, wild animals, at the end of the day, kick your boots off. Yeah. Have a nice roll and roll. Or a glass of milk. He is actually really hot also. So it's not just like, you're not just envisioning this. Are chicks into his job or are they like, this is weird? Well, most people don't imagine a falconer to be an eligible bachelor. You know, it's usually a little more of a fringe activity. So if you've got a hot guy doing it, he's really cornered the market. For some reason, I'm not picturing your hot brother. I'm picturing the guy who wrote Game of Thrones. Yeah, you associate it with a Ren Faire moment and a big turkey drumstick or whatever. No, he's not giving Ren Faire at all, thankfully. So you're saying he's rewriting the playbook on falconry. Big time. This feels unfair to all the other less hot falconers, though. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean... Well, this is what happens when men do real jobs, because it's in such rare... Yeah. It's rare these days. You're talking to two podcasters, for Christ's sake. What could be worse? Yep. I'm a podcaster slash influencer, so that's how it could be worse. I'm going to send him to you guys so you can see him. I don't know how to do that, though. Has anybody photographed him before? Of course, yes. Does he do any hawk fluencing? Yes, he's a hawk fluencer. Does Maker's Mark do the photo shoot with him? How does it work? Well, a lot of times he'll get hired by a movie set.

If they need a falcon or something, he'll bring his falcons on and fly them on set for the day. If they need to stage a scene where there's some sort of falcon attack. I don't know why that happens so often. But then, yeah, people are just intrigued by him. It sounds like... It sounds like your brother could come up on some, like, I was on set and like, yeah, we just hit it off. And yeah, now I'm married to Julia Roberts. You know what I mean? He could. Yeah. But he is taken. Oh, okay. Well, then why are we bigging him up so much? What the fuck? I was trying to get this guy laid. Well, I just was commenting because you said it sounds, that sounds hot. And I just wanted to be like, confirmed. Not because I was like, y'all, my brother is like. out on the prowl. I just wanted you to know that whatever vision you had was probably pretty accurate. It wouldn't be weird if your brother was on Raya holding a hawk or a falcon, right? Yeah. Imagine you see that on Raya. You stop scrolling, don't you? You want to know more? Yeah, immediately. You got to dive into that. Get those talons in me, big fella. Okay, so he's already taken. Yeah. He's off the market. Okay. The cage is closed. Do you think your parents are more proud of you or him? You can be honest. They are equally proud. Oh, sure. Okay. That's a diplomatic answer. Of course they are. Whose favorite are you, mom or dad, though? I'm most like my dad, but my mom loves me very much. But I share most characteristics of my dad, which is like laid back and chill. and like go with the flow functioning alcoholic yeah that type of energy whereas my mom is a bit more like type a uh uptight like has to like know what's going on at all times and that's more my brother where i'm just kind of like whatever happens happens right right right i'm the same way as you you're chill are you both the chill one no i'm not chill siblings i have a brother but he has a sister but he i guess you're kind of the chill one maybe no i mean chris is definitely type a

And I'm more of a passive backseat kind of chiller. Somebody has to keep this train on the tracks, Molly, and that's my job. That person is you. Jason has other skills. But I build the tracks. You know, it's a real chicken or egg situation, isn't it? That I can't do, you know, and that's okay. But my mom loves me. My dad loves me too, but my mom is more vocal. But that's a classic setup, I think. Yeah, definitely. Classic gender roles. Big Mama shows the love. Yeah. Dads famously only share their love right before on their last breath, usually. You know what I mean? Exactly. When you're at Cedars. Not to take a dark turn. Gasping at Cedars. Gasping at Cedars. Let's talk about this cookbook, though, Molly. Oh, okay. More is more. Yes, it is. This is a maximal approach to cooking. Yeah, I would say if we're going to summarize more is more in one word, it's... it's maximalism, but I do try to distinguish the difference between maximalism and gluttony in the context of cooking, because I think it can get, the line can get a little fuzzy there. Yeah. And I don't believe in like disgusting, excessive gluttonous cooking. So the book is more about like, how to really like take your food from good to really, really great within the like framework of what you have in your pantry, in a regular grocery store, in your kitchen, which means learning how to like crank the heat up and not be like a pussy about like turning it up to high heat and really preheating your skillet and putting a steak in a really, really hot skillet because it's going to just like sear and get like caramelized and you develop so much flavor there. So it's like maximalism, not just in terms of, Certainly not in terms of only like adding lots of ingredients. Right. It's about like how to level up in the kitchen and cook more like a professional does, which is someone who kind of cooks with abandon. Love it. The passion in your voice describing that hot skillet. I don't think I feel that about anything.

So I'm sold. Anything at all. No, I've never talked like that about anything. And I don't even eat meat. But now I'm craving a steak. Oh, you are a vegetarian. I eat fish. Oh, you're a pesca. Does that style of cooking excite you? Or is that how you normally like to cook? Like high intensity with abandoned kind of vibe? I would say I love to eat that way. And I love to cook that way. And it is not. sustainable to eat and cook that way all the time and so like it's all about balance for me which is why cereal so okay if i'm gonna go balls to the walls on a steak one night then like i'm gonna eat cereal the next um to balance it all out but i think the value in the book and the learnings of the book is like and it's not not necessarily that you have to cook you have to crank up and max out everything every night but that like there's so much to learn about cooking that you leave on the table or on the cutting board when you don't kind of try for those like bigger more explosive moments of flavor etc there's a whole world out there that you need to sort of jump into the deep end and maybe hurt yourself and make some errors but it's worth it yeah and it's like you might fuck it up a couple times and um that's kind of exactly the point is like where you don't learn anything if you don't and it doesn't it's like it's not all It's not all a fatty steak. One of the rules in the book is about learning how to use all of the elements of an ingredient. If we're taking a fennel bulb, do you guys fuck with fennel? Oh, God. Okay. Thanks, Molly. It's been fun. I enjoy fennel. No, no. I enjoy fennel. Please tell us about the fennel bulbs. Please tell us about the fennel bulbs. I can't wait. I can't wait. Oh, my God. Chris is a big fan of the frond, whereas he's not doing nose-to-tail fennel cookery. So, yeah, I'm kind of a nose-to-tail fennel cookery type of person. It's like you can use the fronds as herbs, and you can thinly slice it and make it like a crunchy salad, and then you can also cook it into a braise and have it be sweet and mellow and tender, and there's so many expressions of fennel in the world.

It's about learning what all those expressions are. Fennel expressions. That's Andre 3000's new flute album. Expressions of fennel. Well, I agree. So this is maybe more is more in terms of opening one's mind. Can you hear my dog? Actually, no. Yeah, it's like... Is that dog yapping? Yeah. Do you hear that? No. No, Zoom has good technology for noise canceling. Okay, cool. I put it in dog mode. Nice. I do have a Tesla and I do use dog mode quite a bit. It's so genius. Of course. What does that mean? Oh, when your dog can stay in the car and you don't get the window broken? Yeah, like it puts it up on the screen. It's like... It's like a picture of a dog, and it's like, I'm in here, and my owner has set the temperature to 71 degrees, and we'll be back soon. This makes me hate Tesla and dogs more than I did before. I think it's an ingenious invention because everyone else, you used to have to write on a piece of paper. I'll be back in five minutes. AC is on. Yeah. Back in five. I mean, so you've been an Elon fan for a while. Is that right, Molly? Yeah, huge fan. I'm a big Elon chick. I mean, that's kind of my thing. I don't know what you guys are into. Yeah. Anyway, what we were saying was just that, yeah, it's about exploring the... possibilities in food and cooking and ingredients. Don't be a pussy is what I'm distilled down. And to distill it into a phrase. Don't be a pussy. You got any desserts in this fucking book? I do, and one of them involves grape nuts, as I mentioned earlier. You got anything good, like chocolate or anything? Chris, come on. What is the grape nut application? The grape nuts are... It's like they're like caramelized grape nuts. You turn them into like a, they like cook them in butter and sugar until they, and so then they're like extra toasty and buttery and sugary. And then they get layered. Roasty toasty. Extra toasty. Because the grape nuts are already, grape nuts are already kind of well done. So you really push them to the edge. More is more. We're going to the mat. Okay.

You know what I mean? You see what I did? You're on some more is more shit right now. She said, I'm really living this shit. I'm really living this shit. When I was a kid, when it was cold and I wanted to have my grape nuts, I would pour in butter or apple juice, butter, and a little cinnamon and sugar and microwave it into an apple cinnamon butter porridge. Give it a try. But I haven't thought about it in years. Maybe one of those nice ciders from Macklin. Low-key kind of genius. Is that a known thing? It's something I did when I was a little kid. I feel like my mom got the recipe off of some Betty Crocker shit one day. I was going to say, it feels very Betty. Yeah. Grape nuts, apple cider, a little knob of butter, and a little cinnamon. Bada bing, bada bing. Yum. It's like oatmeal. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And maybe when it comes out, just a little cream on top, uncooked. Oh, baby. Oh, my. Yeah, Jason. I need a cigarette. Maldon everywhere? Fuck me. Jason definitely had a nice imported cream in Orange County in 1992. There's no question. Oh, did you grow up in Orange County? Yeah, I did. Where? Huntington Beach. Oh, nice. What are you just, are you an OC sympathizer like me? Yeah. It's such a weird thing to light up about. No one ever does. No. And it scares me to go down there now. But I grew up, my best friend grew up in San Clemente. And so I just have so many fond memories of just being at the beach and being 10 years old. And I'm from upstate New York. So to me, that was just like, it was paradise. And we would go to Disneyland and then the beach the next day. And it was just like, that was a... Like the American dream. You're telling me Buffalo doesn't have a beach? I'm not from Buffalo. That's really fucking far up. I'm from Hudson. Or Hudson Valley. You're from the quaint, cute part. This explains a lot about you. When people are from Buffalo, they don't say upstate. They say Buffalo. I think if Molly was from Buffalo, she would definitely say upstate. I think if you were a rapper, you'd say Buffalo.

I think it's too different. Anyway, so I love the OC for that reason. It's just really... Those San Clemente girls back in the day, I'll tell you what. That was where the most... Because Orange County, as a county, every city has different characteristics and pockets like neighborhoods in Manhattan or LA. Yeah. And San Clemente always had the most chill chicks. They're called the Prohos. The Prohos? Because they're surfer groupies. You can call them Prohos. Or skateboarding groupies. Where I lived in Huntington Beach, The girls were kind of on the aggro side. They were Aggies, as people would say. Newport and Huntington, the chicks are too aggro. But then down in San Clemente, they're so far removed from all that, and they're just like, I'm just a chiller. I'm just happy to be here. I'm just cruising. Guacamole is what I eat, and I'm just having a good time. Guacamole is what I eat. And I'm really hot. Yeah, I mean, that's the Cali dream. That's what we imagine California natives to be like. Exactly. And so, like, as a girl from upstate New York, I was just like, oh, my God, I've hit gold over here. So still, I'm like, I still associate the OC with that, even though it's, like, Trumpy as fuck and kind of scary down there. Well, look. Yeah. Look, as a person who's from a Trump stronghold, I'm able to look past that and see the beauty in a Nobu on the water. Where are you from? Atlanta. Okay. Are you, so you two, I know this isn't, I mean, it is kind of, it's about all of us, but you guys started this during the pandemic. Yeah. And it's just like, it went off, huh? That's right, Molly. It's currently in the process of going all the way off. It could go, it could go more off, but we are off adjacent. We're pleased with how off it's been going, but there can always be more. going off molly have you listened to this podcast before you can be honest with us yeah but not until it was on the cow it was proposed to me to come on the show but you had you heard of it before yes i had heard of it but i was like oh yeah that podcast but like i didn't really know sure um what it was all about and then in preparation and when they were like when they asked me um whenever my pr reached out

I was like, what's going on over there? And then I was like, oh, this is super chill. What's going on over there? Because I've been on so many podcasts, and it's the same conversation every time. Go on. Talk your shit, girl. Tell us about how did you get into cooking, and what were your first food memories, and blah-de-blah. Not food memories. Oh, that's dark. No, God. I've just had the same convo so many times, and I knew going into this podcast that it was going to be. A different type of conversation. Or at least you hoped. Are you going on a book tour? I did. I just got back from it. You already did. Yeah. Okay, you already did. Because my book came out like five weeks ago or something, or a month ago, and so I was on the road for like two or three weeks. It was fucking chaos. What does a live Molly Ma's event consist of? It's like I drop into a venue in a city, like in LA here. I did the Ace Theater downtown. What? That ain't a drop-in. That's like thousands of tickets. Yeah, I mean, it was planned. We planned it. I had some help with it. We sold tickets. I had some help with it. It was an old thing. How much was a ticket to see you at the 8? How much was it? $25, $30, $35? I think it was – I think there were like $30 or something. $30, but then I got to buy a book. I got to park. Yeah. Well, there's a book ticket bundle, I'm sure. Oh, got to have a book. Yeah, some venues will – it's like the cost of the – the book is your ticket and then other venues would like separate them out. The ACE was separated out. But anyway, I would just, and then I would invite for every stop along the way of my tour, I invited someone interesting that was either like in the food industry or into food or whatever, tangentially related to come and interview me on stage. So Eric Wareheim interviewed me at the ACE. Okay. Friend of the, friend of the show. Do you, how would you rate his performance on a scale of one to 10? He did an excellent job. His, like our conversation was the most casual, I would say, which I like really appreciated. Cause you know, it can get like kind of formal.

And he very much felt like I was just like sitting in my living room with him chatting, which was like a nice break from some of the others. It was like this. Yeah, it was like this. Everyone was like so different. They all had very different energy. And it's not like they weren't like we didn't rehearse anything. So I just kind of like walked on the stage being like, I wonder what this one's going to be like. So they all just had like a little bit of a different vibe and energy, which was like fun because it made. The tour interesting. Did you have to go to like Boston and D.C. or was it kind of highlights only? I did New York, D.C. Nothing wrong with going to Boston. No, Boston, Chicago. I really don't care for Boston. New York, D.C., Chicago. How Long Gone Live? December 8th at the Wilbur Theater in Boston. Tickets still available. Sorry, go ahead, Molly. Wait, do you guys do a lot of live shows? We just did the El Rey on Saturday night. Oh, wow. And how much are your tickets? About the same, like $27.50. Day of, we're going up to $35, of course. But we don't have no book. Yeah, we ain't got a book. You just get to pay to see us. You could buy a t-shirt. Oh, so you're saying yours are actually more expensive. We're offering a kind of immersive experience. I haven't kind of been to your event, but I imagine it's along the same lines. What she described is the same thing that we do. And it's like an hour long? Yeah, more or less. Exactly. And do you bring guests on with you, or it's just you two? We bring guests. Yeah, it depends. Sometimes we do just us two. Like, we were in Australia doing a show, and that was just us two. But in L.A., we did Kate Berlant was our guest. Amazing. And then Robbie Hoffman did opening stand-up. And John Early is going to be our guest in New York. Oh, amazing. I'm obsessed with him. In a couple weeks. We love John Erling. We love. But do you like doing that stuff, or is it like I got to do this to shill my book? No, I like it. I just couldn't do it year-round. I'm just like, I don't understand Taylor Swift. How would she be doing that every day? Yeah, but when you sell out the Ace Theater, that's a little check, though, right? Yeah, yeah, but it's still like. She's like, yeah, little, Jason. My checks are big. But if you do that.

If you do that times 50, we're getting there. It's not that I don't – who knows whether I'd be able to. That aside, I don't think that emotionally, physically, energetically, I could do it day after day. So you're not tempted by the possibility of it becoming a revenue stream in your life? No. Let me tell you about Taylor Swift. There's one reason why she's able to do it, She's making millions and millions of dollars. Yeah. Or billions. And for that amount of money, I could do anything. At a certain point, the body gives up, though, I think. Unless she has drugs that we don't know about. The thing about her is that she doesn't do anything. She, like, walks out on the stage, plays, gets in her hyperbolic chamber, takes the private plane to the hotel. There's no... It's not like she's, like, packing merch, guys. She's, like... I know, but isn't her show, like... four hours long of performing. It's too long, but if you prepare for it, you have great recovery. You have a great recovery team on the road with you. It's all very doable. It's true. I didn't have masseuses. I didn't have all of my restorative recovery team. That's your mistake. Do you bring the dogs on stage? One. I have one dog. She came on stage. And it was, like, honestly kind of offensive. Okay, call her, Daddy. Calm down. Like, I would, like, have been up there chatting, and then, like, she got on stage, and, like, everybody's, like, standing up, and their phones are up, and they're, like, taking content, and I'm just like, guys, what about, I've been here this whole time. The dog is more of a draw than you. No content to me, or? But, yeah, she was a special guest. It seems like a crowd pleaser. I want to come see you guys live. Yeah. We'll be back in LA eventually, but we're doing New York and Boston before the interview. You don't have anything planned. No, we literally just did it Saturday. Like literally just did it Saturday. Oh, damn it. But you can check out howlonggone.com for up-to-date tour dates. No doubt. No doubt. We'll do.

Wait, when is the John Early one? It's December 2nd at the Webster Hall in New York City. If you want to fly out, we'll put you on the list. No, I'm going to be there on the 4th. I fly out on the 4th or the 3rd for an event. That's so annoying. Well, talk to your agent. See if you can change the flight. We'll see what delta the fees are. You know what I mean? We're willing to eat the cost. Oh, really? Yeah, we're willing to eat the cost. Just forward the invoice to us and we'll kind of do it. You have to be a guest on the live show, though. Okay. I can do that. Just something to think about. Something fair. All right, Molly, thank you for joining us. Thanks for having me. It was so, so lovely. What a refreshing break from all the other ones. Hey, that's what we're here for. Yeah, I appreciate you. That's why we exist, Molly. But thank you. And the book is everywhere where you buy books. More is more. Scan the QR code. Do the audio experience. Follow Molly on Instagram. She's on, she's doing videos and shit. It's really, you know, it's where it's all, it's where it's all going down. Uh, all right. We will, um, we'll see you at cookbook soon. Thank you for your time. Okay. Bye guys. Thank you. Bye Molly. Later. Thanks mom.