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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts. or watch on YouTube. Hello, hello. How Long Gone is here. I am DJ Lam Jeans, a.k.a. Jason. That's Chris Black. What's going on? What's up, bro? Nothing. Just coming at you live. Another beautiful day in Los Angeles. A lot of bad stuff going on that we've got to tackle. There is a lot of bad stuff going on. Can we just start with yesterday? Do you mind if I go back a little bit? We can go back to yesterday. You're talking about the shooting. Mass shooting? No, not that. That happens every day. I'm talking about... This is the first time it was a member of Drain Gang, though. That is a good point. There's a photo from the Wimbledon tennis tournament that is Alexa Chung kissing... An actor named Tom Sturridge, who is the... A new beau. A new beau, and sitting directly in front of Alexa and Tom is... Sienna Miller. Sienna Miller is sitting in front of them, and the twist here is that Tom Sturridge is the father of Sienna Miller's child. Right. So they're all there as friends, and then your Tatler website tried to turn it into something it wasn't. I think it is exactly what Tatler turned it into, and that is that Alexa Chung is making out with Sienna's ex. Yeah, that's right. And they're posing for photos. They all came together as a double date.

Yeah. If you just read the comments, you know what I'm saying? That's twisted. Either way, it's twisted on everybody's part. Either way, it is twisted. I don't know how they do things over there in London. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like they all had too many strawberries and cream to me. Strawberries and cream. I plopped down. That's what they have at Wimbledon. I popped down on the couch to kind of wind down after a big July 4th of working out. And I did watch the new Machine Gun Kelly documentary on Hulu. Okay. So you've just been punishing yourself. Yeah, that's right. Sadistically is what it sounds like. No, I didn't book Nathan Fielder for the cover of New York Magazine. That's somebody else's fault. This I can take credit for. So I want to know how – I mean, that's why I guess it's so fun to argue with you on this podcast all the time is of all the art to consume on your television, Criterion films and legacy Emmy-winning shows. You go straight to Machine Gun Kelly Hulu documentary proudly. Well, Machine Gun Kelly, his stardom, his ascent to stardom in the last basically two years, which is what the documentary kind of covers, is hard to wrap my head around. So I was hoping to gain some clarity from this documentary. It was more research than it was entertainment. Yeah, but you could say the same thing about a lot of... stars who have risen but you didn't care about how that how they rose but you do care about machine gun kelly enough to yeah that's because he's he's stealing pop punk valor and i want answers you know what i mean i have a feeling you didn't find the answer you're looking for the coolest part no i'm not going to get too far into it i want to spoil it the coolest part of the documentary is that megan fox is in it almost the whole time, never says one word. They never let her speak one time, which is truly a piece of art in itself. And Machine Gun Kelly has a 15-year-old daughter who's smarter than anyone else that they talk to. It's unbelievable, actually, how clear and well-spoken she is. That's how it kind of always goes. But you said they didn't let Megan Fox speak. What do you think the chances are it was that?

She was talking all through that motherfucker, and then the editor was just like, yeah, we're not going to do any of this. Oh, no, no, no. No, no. I think it's the latter. Yeah, I think she talked all the time, but they're just like, you know what? She looks a little better than she sounds. Let's just kind of keep her muted. We're happy to add in anything, any profound moments of clarity that she bestows upon the camera. We just didn't happen to see any of those. We didn't get any of that. Yeah, honestly, it's crazy, but I just don't. Yeah, I had to stop doing drugs. And then he's just smoking weed the whole time. And I'm like, this new thing where people are just like, weed isn't a drug is very strange to me. Cali-sober. But weed is like the original drug. That's the cool thing about it. Weed is the original drug, but back when the original drug, it was fine. Fentanyl overdoses didn't exist compared to everything else. It kind of isn't a drug, you know? Well, no, but I mean, it's a mind-altering substance. Whether you can buy it from a guy that looks like he is a manager at the Apple store. So is Cold Brew. So is Cold Brew. That's true, and I'm a fucking addict, bro. No, but I would, look, if you hate Machine Gun Kelly, I would say watch the documentary. If you love Machine Gun Kelly, I would also say watch the documentary. I don't want Machine Gun Kelly to feel like he's won. I feel like he's won if I watch it. Same thing for Dave on FX's Dave, you know? Yeah, yeah. He's just such a melodramatic crybaby about everything that it's a little bit like, bro, you're a multimillionaire with a hot girlfriend, and you're like, I'm just so – it's so hard for me. He basically says that he – quit drugs, and then he became obsessed with having a number one album, and that was just so hard. And I'm just like, bro, that's not a real problem. Being obsessed with having a number one album is maybe the coolest, most privileged thing you could possibly have going on in your life. Yeah, Machine Gun Kelly didn't have to sell his iPad to pay rent. No, yeah, it's so bizarre. And he's like, yeah, I slayed the people around me because I was so obsessed with getting a number one.

And I'm like, yeah, man, I'm sure all those people that are on your payroll really went scattering like cockroaches when the light came on because you were so worried about having a number one. Oddly enough, his name was Cockroach Steve. Cockroach Steve, I could feel the tension when I was in the studio just really making my number one album. And he wanted to go like mini golfing. And I had to tell him, no, I can't do it. I have to finish this song. And Cockroach Steve was like, dude, like, are you fucking serious? Like, I have a tea time. and i don't get the deposit back the best part is the label calls him like the label he's like sitting there he also does this like awful art like these awful worse than chris brown's graffiti is it worse than justin bieber's monkey spray paint it's honestly worse it's crazy it's like these like child-like kind of pen and ink drawings that look like... I can't even explain it. But they say, like, I'm suicidal, you know? And so he's, like, sketching at his, you know, $15,000 kitchen table in Calabasas, and he gets a call from the label, and they're like, the numbers are in. You did it! You have the number one album in the country! And he just sits there, like, silent, like, drawing, like, looking sad. and he's just he's like after like he takes like literally 15 seconds of silence he's like that's sick man thank you i'm really excited it's so crazy it's so crazy like dope it's it's like that pete davidson skit where you tell him any you can tell him the craziest news and he's just like okay like this was your whole goal machine gun kelly this is what the whole documentary is about he's like Oh, yeah. That's literally what it's like. It's so insane. So I just – everything about it was crazy. I thought – because this style of documentary now that all celebrities make where they get final cut and it just is exactly how they want to be portrayed, like that is 100% what this is. Like he's like, I want to be portrayed like a tortured artist but who's also a good dad and has a hot girlfriend. And they're like, all right, got it, bro. We'll do it. No problem.

We got you, fam. And so he smokes a lot of weed in this documentary, you say? Yeah, he smokes hella weed, hella cigs. How does he take his flour? He's smoking joints. They look like pre-rolls. Okay, so he does pre-rolls. And does his mood, dialect, his tone, his conversation, does that change after he gets high? Or is it just like... leveled out the whole time well the thing is jason i'm not sure when he's high or not high you know what i mean obviously they should they show some smoking on camera but that could be you know the 15th of the day for all we know you know what i mean so right there's not there's just not much going on i'm like what it's it's crazy to me he's like my lyrics are what people latch on to and i'm like your lyrics sound like 12-year-old poetry if you work at Hot Topic. And he's like, yes, all the 12-year-olds who buy my albums love it. It's so big. It's so fucking big. And then there's also a little part where he's got beef with Slipknot, which is – You can't beef with Slipknot, bro. You can't go to war with Slippy. No, that's the triple OGs. I just think that the whole thing is like – I guess it's just this guy is like one of the most famous people in the world. And I was like, maybe there's something I'm missing about this because he can't sing. And the music just sounds like – 182 if i want blink 182 i can listen to that you know what i mean so i was hoping there was something more to it and unless he's got a 10 inch dick which he probably does he probably does that's the only thing i didn't see in this documentary we're we're at a certain age where like blink 182 was making albums 25 years ago 10 years before any machine gun kelly fan was even born They're just like, oh, this is just classic oldies that my dad used to listen to. But the thing is, the funny part about it all is that I feel like this is truly what he wants to be doing. You know what I mean? He thinks this is high art. He's like, I'm the Beatles. And you have to believe that. I don't. We do have a guest today. Scott Campbell is an artist that you probably know from his tattoo work.

all throughout the aughts on many people I know, plus celebrities as well. But this motherfucker is diversified now. He's into all kinds of shit. Yeah, he's into all kinds of shit. He's in some of your favorite markets, Chris. I know you're a big crypto NFT guy. I want to ask Scott how much money he's lost. You know what I mean? Just off top, just an estimation. Okay. Great icebreaker for a new friend. But he's also – he's a cool father. You know what I mean? He's an L.A. resident now, so we can obviously get into the ins and outs of – Turning your back on NYC hardcore? Yeah, I'd love to hear. Exactly. I'd love to get into the ins and outs of that. Scott and I can relate on turning our back on NYCHC and never being let back into CBs. All right. Let's give Scott a call. Okay. All right. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable, and they're just easy but still put together. I don't look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. Upgrade that look starting at just $34. You know, if you get a nice linen suit, a little t-shirt underneath it, some chill shoes, you're looking good, but you're staying cool. The inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties. So elevate that summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns, even on a nice holiday now available in Canada.

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I'm 70% artsy, fartsy, hipster, and I'm 30% like Louisiana redneck. You can't shake the moped out of you. It ain't going to be that easy. Yeah. Okay. Do you have some muscle cars too or just a Tesla? I have trucks. I'm like one of those Toyota nerds where I have old Toyotas and new Toyotas. Do you mob them out? You can't drive stock, of course. No, it's the full apocalypse machine. It gets real nerdy. Okay, so you're the guy with two kids at Maru with the apocalypse machine out front? I know exactly. I've seen guys like you. That's me. In your collection of apocalypse Toyotas, what is your... What is your piece de resistance? What's the one that's going to get me on hard? There's the one that I actually would go to in the apocalypse, and then there's the one that looks pretty on Instagram. The Instagram one is like an 88 Land Cruiser that's all redone, but then the real one is like this 2015 Land Cruiser that has a 90-gallon gas tank in it, so I can drive to Portland on a tank of gas if I want to. 90 gallons of gas. 90 gallons of gas, yeah. It takes me three credit cards to fill it up right now. All right, let's put half on the Amex. Let's do half on the Mac. Yeah, 1,000%. Literally three credit cards to fill it up. So a 90-gallon tank, where does that – I'm not a car expert, but where do you put that? Chris, you don't want to know where. No, I had to have like the frame. Some of it reinforced so that someone rear-ends me, there's not 90 gallons of gasoline spilling out everywhere. It's like, it's a tank. You're sloshing around at Lassen's. You got like a snorkel on there and stuff like that? I don't have snorkels because, you know, there's no water in California, so I'm not super worried about crossing. We are in a drought. That is a fair point, Scott. See, Scott, I like this. You have the apocalypse mobile, but it's like practical for you. You didn't just get all the stuff because it looks cool. You kind of showed some restraint. It's a sensible Antifa vehicle.

You're the first person to ever call this truck sensible. I appreciate that. You're like, can you talk to my wife? Yeah, totally. Can you explain that to my accountant, how sensible this is? No, because I feel like when I see stuff like that, people always have the fucking snorkel things because I feel like they're cheap. and they look crazy. Yeah, I'm not driving through any rivers. I'm not. It does flood down in New Orleans, though. Yeah, but that's why Jesus gave us boats. Do you own any boats as well? I don't own any boats. I don't. I think if you have the means and you've worked hard and this is the shit that you're into, then this is the shit that you're into. I mean, there's much worse, unhealthier habits that you can get into, and I'm sure you may have danced with a few of them in your younger years. Yeah. Honestly, my neuroses around my prepperdom really blossomed when I had kids. I'm like, okay, I've got to keep these things alive until they're 18. What do I need to make sure that helps? Besides buying in bulk and having subscriptions on Amazon, what are we doing to prep for the apocalypse? Is it just the cars or we've got a lair, a bunker somewhere? I didn't know where this conversation was going, but we'll go there. So basically like a few years ago, I sold a company and basically I was like, okay, I'm done. I'm retiring now. But I decided to go to school to be a paramedic. So I got my paramedic license. Whoa. What? And so that's definitely like an expression of my prepper anxiety. Okay. So you said, I'm good. I got all the money I need. I'm just going to be like a funky dad. And then you couldn't just sit still. You decided, I need to know how to save someone if God comes back. You know, my therapist would have words about it. You know, the idea that it's like, oh, there's no crises in my life. Let's go ride in an ambulance on Tuesdays and Thursdays and find some things to freak out about. I see. I see. So you're doing it currently or you did do it for a little while? I did it for a little while. And then.

pandemic happened and i didn't want to risk like exposure for you know bringing home the kids so i haven't ridden ambulances since 2019 but um but now you know yeah now as you said like now we're doing crypto and all this other wow i didn't know this so you you didn't just get the certification you did the job i did tuesdays and thursdays i'd ride in the back of an ambulance yeah that is fucking twisted man i gotta say uh how with with la like la county it was glendale oh jason he could have saved your life jason lives in glendale i love glendale i love glendale and it's a it's a pleasure and an honor to speaking be speaking to one of glendale's finest right now yeah one of glendale's frontline workers thank you for your service officer campbell i dealt with quite a few sprained ankles and mysterious chest pains in Glendale. Mysterious chest pains in Glendale. But I guess your history of tattooing, you know, you're okay with kind of blood and shit like that. If you do tattooing right, there's not too much blood and guts involved. But yeah, I'm accustomed to taking care of people. in those situations. And I enjoy taking care of people. Scott loves to dress a wound. Yeah, nothing says I enjoy taking care of people like giving them something on their face they might regret. I couldn't agree more. Well, after you've given somebody a regretful face tat, then he will bandage it up lovingly in a way that you would never imagine. For sure. It won't get infected. It won't get infected. Not on my watch, brother. You feel pretty confident with that stuff still? Or is it something you need to brush up on? No, it just made me realize. And that's what I mean. It's like I did it to kind of calm my anxieties about being a parent and needing to feel confident and taking care of them. But it also just made me aware of how many things can go wrong with kids' lives. It's like, oh, maybe I didn't want to know about a lot of that. To be honest, the stuff that has been useful is just how to navigate. like the medical system in general as oh as a civilian just like you know like when my kid gets hurt and we have to go to the er like those little things you say so that they don't leave you in the waiting room yeah yeah that's my mom my mom was a nurse growing up and i know what you're talking about there's like a weird shorthand language yeah there's just there's just key words where they're like oh they can sit for a while or there's like oh no we need to get them in right now okay and we're not going to reveal any of those words

to our listeners. That costs money. No, these guys, these listeners can OD on their own time. It's not Scott's problem. They can web MD at themselves. Yeah, exactly. They can do their own fucking research. That's how we do it in this country. So you're saying that you've... So now that you can save lives, you've shifted your focus to blowing as much money as you can in the digital marketplace. Yes, real life or death stake things like imaginary currencies. So were you an early adopter on this stuff, or were you just like, I believe in this? I've dabbled in it. I bought my first Bitcoin, God, I don't know, 2014 or something, just because I heard that drug dealers were using it and I wanted it. Sure, sure, sure. come from tattooing like my world is very analog and it wasn't you guys you're also a cash business you know i know nowadays people i've never put a tattoo on a credit card because i always thought that was insane yeah but that that happening is insane to me you're you're in a cash business yeah i didn't have a bank account till i got married when i was whatever 35 or something that was when i had to get a bank account no bank it was so you were like he was just under the mattress bro like like real cash yeah and that's sick i love that that's so cool okay i'm sorry so yeah i mean try getting a mortgage but yeah it's super cool super sexy not a great way to build your credit yeah exactly it wasn't until so i mean i got super into nfts and crypto stuff in the past two years you know because i knew it was like As a visual artist, I was like, OK, at some point I'm going to have to participate in this weirdo thing. But a buddy of mine, this guy, Ian Rogers, who I don't know if you guys know, he's one of the he's he's just been at the forefront of like technology and culture for a long time. He was the first person to ever put music on the Internet with the Beastie Boys in the 90s. And whoa, he called me up one time and he left this five minute voicemail on my phone. And I started listening to it and he was like, hey, you got to do NFT tattoos. And I hung up on him. I was like, that's some Star Trek gobbledygook. I want nothing to do with it. Now you sound like me. I listened to the whole voicemail, and I was like, motherfucker, he's right. This changes everything. But for tattooing, NFTs are going to change everything. Let me know if we're doing that tangent. I'll ramble on. The connection between tattoos and NFTs, I would like to hear more for sure. Yeah, yeah.

I'm a fancy tattoo artist. People fly all over the world. They pay a bunch of money to get tattooed by me. And at the end of the day, all they really get are bragging rights and an Instagram post. And then on my side, I'm creating original artworks, but I'm charging by the hour to apply it to people's skin. So I'm still working like a plumber or an electrician does. But I'm creating original artwork that goes on to mood boards and ad agencies all over. For me, for tattoo artists, it makes so much sense because with NFTs, we can shift the value from the application process to the images themselves. So I can be like, okay, next month, I'm selling these 10 NFTs. Anybody who owns the NFT can come and get it tattooed on them. And my whole career has been tattooing so that people think I'm cool, but then rubbing that cool onto other things. It's like doing collections with Louis Vuitton or Marc Jacobs. I have a wine company. But the thing that I can do better than anything, which is tattooing, has never been the thing I can really scale. But with NFTs, you can. And I really think in the next couple of years, you're going to see the whole tattoo world kind of flipped upside down by it. I mean, that makes sense, logically, for sure. So before, like tattooing, like you were saying, was like a means to a greater bag with a bigger company or something like that. Like, oh, this is a cool tattoo guy. Let's have him do it. collection with this fashion brand or something, but now the tattoo itself is becoming something of more value than just like an hourly rate. Yeah, like now that tattoo design can be an actual tradable asset. Because the design is free if you buy a tattoo, right? Yeah, but then it's also, you could be like, oh, I know this tattoo artist is doing a big fashion collab in September. So I'm going to, like, buy a couple of his designs now and then flip them with all the hype around their art. You know what I mean? Like, you can actually, like, speculate on tattoo designs and artists. And there could be some insider trading, like I heard Scott. A thousand percent. Yeah, totally. I mean, isn't that what NFTs are? It's just a bunch of insider trading? You tell me. Yeah, you're a white-collar criminal. Yeah, you're a white-collar criminal. I mean, I just don't – why are NFTs deeply uncool?

Is it because of its connection to like the internet? Whoever coined the phrase, you know, the meek shall inherit the earth. They were talking about NFTs. Yes. They were talking about like nerd culture running everything. Yeah. I mean, I think that's my aversion to it is just like, I don't fully understand. And also I feel like if I open that box, I'm going to get lost in a way that I might not want to, but. We did an NFT early on, early days, and I'm still embarrassed by it, but we did make some money, which I think is virtually worthless now, Jason, or is it okay? Not doing great compared to last year. How did you stomach the dip, Scott? I just treat anything crypto like I'm in a casino. Okay. Scott's like, well, I was already rich before, so I don't really give a shit. With real money? Yeah. My house was bought by, like I said, carving skulls into people's arms and selling weed. So I'm diversified into the physical world. My question is, though, no one's ever been able to answer this for me. taken out cash have you have you turned crypto into cold hard american legal tender yeah yeah totally okay not not like a bank transfer i'm saying like i was told at some point that it was because it's a peer-to-peer thing like you would have to meet someone and they would give you cash i mean i've transferred it to my bank account and then like okay you know paid out you know paid my bills with it okay i mean that's as real as it's going to get i guess i mean you know what more can you do but my i mean yeah i look at my crypto fund and full am I like, can I buy a ranch in Montana with it yet? I believe in it, but I also want to buy dirt with it. Sure, yeah. You're not going to survive off it, but you're glad it's there, and if you can make a frivolous purchase, then you will. But that's not a frivolous purchase. That's literally investing into real estate, the arguably smartest investment you can make. Sure, but he doesn't need a ranch in Montana, is my point. I have a ranch in Pasadena.

The other Montana. Well, yeah, I love the ranch idea because once a white man gets enough money, he turns into a cowboy. So I think that's kind of – I've never understood. It's the Ralph Lauren model, and I've never fully understood why that happens because I have – Even Kanye has a ranch in Montana. That's a good point. I mean, but I just don't – I just have never – like are you – are you want to break horses and shit or you just want to be that far out? I want – my thing is I someday – want to have atvs because i need them like not because i want atv like i want to have so much yeah i need four wheelers to get across it oh not the way like my girlfriend needs those shoes we're talking about like right i literally need this vehicle or else i won't be able to go from point a to point b got it exactly yeah yeah i have to whack this bush somehow and i i can't get out there without i gotta go check the fence line i need an atv to go check i gotta check the fence line My Nest Cam on the fence line is showing an alert. Yeah, I think a lot of people, once Anthony Bourdain started camping in Montana and shooting animals and eating them over fire, I think a lot of people were like, yeah, I don't know what this is, but I need to do it. I feel the call of the world. Yeah, that makes sense. I need to drink bourbon by a fire amongst men. I think it brings people back. I think it's like... survivalist shit, which has not reached my desk yet. I don't know if I'll get there. Do you camp now? Do you take your kids camping and go out to the earth, or do you just live a Cali indoor-outdoor lifestyle? We go camping and stuff. We do. We'll go out for the weekend and just sleep in the desert in the truck and stuff. We go there. I feel like ranch life, it's the next progression. The past 10 years, all we've been fed is apocalypse movies. So we can't help but have anxiety and be like, fuck, I need to be able to sleep outside and live. Damn, you're really tapped into that because I'd rather die, I think, is kind of where I'm at with it. Survival sounds like a lot of work to you, Chris. Chris, if you have to kill your own food and live outside, I'm just saying, take me, Lord. I can't. I've been watching this show called Snowflake Mountain.

And there's a scene where they don't know what they're going to do, and then there's a deer hung up, and they have to skin the deer. Dressing that animal. Yeah, I couldn't do that. I don't think I could do it. So you would rather die? It's not even like an animal rights thing. I just don't think I could get – I don't know. It's just – so foreign to me i just don't think i could do it maybe i'm just a pussy i mean you you got a knife you got some flesh start cutting bro what's going on i don't know what the problem i mean that's the vibe and that's the luckily the the guy that was wearing balenciaga kind of got into it luckily luckily luckily for him he was able to survive but like scott could you could you dress down an animal yeah i mean i i grew up in louisiana you know that's like you learn your abcs and you learn how it's gonna squirrel you know in the same class no no de-feather a duck yeah yeah ducks there's lots of duck hunting yeah i mean look i'm from suburban i'm from the south like it's not crazy like i should have a little more of that dna i'm not from orange county like jason where they you know like waxing a surfboard is the best they can do like i'm i'm you know you want to play this game chris no no no i don't i don't of course so like the paramedic thing and that whole journey and me like it actually kind of started. So I was like Brooklyn, Brooklyn hipster tattoo kid. And then in 2009, me and Casey Neistat, I don't know if you know Casey, like basically talked our way on the Bagram air force base in Afghanistan. And I spent two months with this combat paramedic group in Afghanistan. And I, I truly like before walking into that, I thought I was a man. And then, and then we like, We hung out with these paramedics and Afghanistan. I was like, I am I am like a worthless little person. Like I'm useless and really like hanging out with those guys. And they all do like mountain rescue out of Alaska. And so now I go up every year with them and just kind of hang out with them and catch whatever, you know, magic sparkle dust flies off them. But that was that was the first time I was like, oh, I need to like I need to be.

more useful than I am. Drawing skulls is great and all, but I don't actually know how to stop anyone from bleeding or anything. I wonder if I'll hit this point in my life. This is interesting to me. I feel like your third eye was opened. Was there a breakthrough to get this? Was there an ayahuasca journey or something like that? You said it was probably having kids? Having kids, for sure. Once I had a kid, I used to race motorcycles around. I was allowed to die until I had a kid. And then once I had kids, I'm like, fuck, I can't, I, you know what I mean? Like if I, I'm less allowed to die now. If I, if they're 15 years old and I die, it's fine. It'll build character. But if I, if I die before my daughter. she's going to have all these dad issues and date shitty dudes in bands and stuff. That's your worst concern, dating guys in bands? So you learned to save a life so she wouldn't date a guy in a band? That's good parenting. Every morning I take my vitamins so that I can live long enough to make sure she doesn't date musicians. You're saying this guy has a guitar? No, he's not coming in this house, sweetie. Fuck that guy. I feel like the Air Force Base thing is a very extreme way to learn that. but I think also maybe the best way because it feels like the highest level. I'm the son of draft dodging hippies. I'm not Mr. God and country. And so we were going to this Air Force base, and I realized I had no idea. I don't even know who we're fighting in Afghanistan. I don't know why we're fighting. Nobody does. But with these guys, they were just saving lives. They weren't kicking in doors and shooting people. So they had this kind of moral loophole of just being great people. And I really admired him. It makes you wonder what gets people to be in that position. I devote my life to selfless acts of heroic rescue. Is that rooted in all in good? Or is there something that has to happen to somebody? I mean, I think there's some caveman primal drive to that for sure. Yeah, I would agree with that. I think that's kind of... predetermined a little bit you know what i mean like i i'm sure there's some experiences that help shape that but i think there's a little bit of like you know you either got that gene or you don't we're looking for a few good men and i feel like there's less and less of them as uh as the the clock ticks on yeah bro you're looking at two of them right here these goddamn snowflakes well scott you mentioned the apocalypse a few times when the apocalypse does inevitably come two questions

Will it come in your lifetime? Will you get to see the world burn with your own two eyes? Number two, how will it go down? Oh, man. I thought we were just going to talk about artsy-fartsy shit, but we're really getting into it. Don't worry. I don't think the apocalypse will have a date. I think things are just going to slowly fall apart in kind of the way that they are. And, yeah, I mean, I look at my kids all the time, and I'm like, oh, you guys will see, like, a mass extinction event in your lifetime. Like, it's pretty inevitable. A little something to tell them before they head off to school in the morning? Yeah. You'd be like, okay, like, there's this guy, John Connor, okay? Like, you're basically John Connor. Most of your friends and family will not survive. You might not, but, like, do some push-ups before you go to school, maybe. Okay, so less of a big bang and more of just a... It's like the frog in the boiling water kind of thing. I mean, I think so. Isn't that what's happening? I think that's what's happening. I think there'll probably be a few series of large events. I don't think it'll be as dramatic as like... a meteor or an asteroid hitting or a giant volcano or something i'm hoping i'm hoping for something giant i'm hoping for a big event personally this this like well at least then we would know we're like oh this is it yeah yeah we know to like make some popcorn and just like watch the watch everything burn down i'd like some closure with my imminent death please yeah i think i think it is going to be a like a you know like a wonderful pour over at jason's house it's going to be a thought like obviously the world has to end at some point so wouldn't it be cool to be like that rare sliver of human life over the last millions of years who got to actually see the world be done i think that would be a cool thing to see i don't think i think it's just like you know like with climate change and everything it's been like oh yeah now we don't have fish anymore and then now we don't you know right right we'll just all of a sudden one day realize there's nothing at the grocery store but like cricket protein bars and that's and that's and people people you'll i'll be selling a persian cucumber as an nft for three million dollars and like wow remember what those never existed that's not real yeah i'm i think i'm with you guys i think i'm with you guys but i luckily i'm able to shift to a vegan diet pretty easily so

Lack of fish or other animal products, no problem. Vegetables will become a rare commodity as well, Chris. Who needs that, bro? I'm just eating all kinds of freaky man-made proteins. I don't need vegetables, and my body thanks you. You need cricket protein. I mean, I've accidentally had cricket protein before. I mean, you've had crickets, Jason, in Mexico, right? Great source. Yeah. I don't love, I don't love the crunch, but I love the protein. Scott, you, you mentioned selling a company and being like, I guess I can retire now. What was that company? And what was that? What was that, uh, sale hidden for? So God, we'd already begin that. So basically like my whole career, like I've, I've always, I mean, I got into tattooing cause I was after freedom, you know, like I really, I was like, Oh, this is the freest I can imagine myself being. And, uh, and then I, so I started tattooing and then I started, you know, I was in New York and the, early two thousands and kind of just tattooing all these artists that I really admired. And I was like, Oh, you know what? Like fine artists, like that's, that's freedom. You know, I want to be a fine artist. And, and so I did, I did pretty well with that. And, you know, like had some exhibitions and show to museums and, and then I don't know how familiar you guys are with the art market. I mean, you've interviewed some fancy artists, but you know, like you're beholden to this pool of collectors. So I found myself in a situation where. You know, there were like these 10 big collectors that I had to kind of keep in my favor so that they could make sure, you know, my secondary market sales were up. And I was on a plane to Zurich to go to some kid's bat mitzvah who I didn't even care about. And I was like, this is not free. You know, I'm just like rich people's pet. tattoo artist you know and so so then i came back and i was like okay like how do i be an art collector you know what i mean because i want to be the guy that buys artwork and so i i always loved the idea of creating brands and creating like i was really into fragrance you know i i'd worked with lvmh a lot and seen the idea of taking something as abstract as a fragrance and and giving it a name and like a story

And whatever whatever name and story you give it, that's what it becomes. And so anyway, so I started a wine company in like 2010 and kind of had that as an experiment. And it did really well. And then from there, I started a cannabis company as legalization kind of came on board. It was called Bebo, like B-E-B-O-E after my grandmother. And, you know, like we opened a dispensary. in barney's beverly hills and we were really like oh i remember yeah i remember reading about this in the new york times i don't worry it was awesome i mean it still is we're not in california anymore but we are in um illinois and nevada and massachusetts but it's um i really i really love it so i started that company and then yeah sold that to a big multi-state operator and sent it off into the world and it's been i mean that's the first time i've ever had like grown-up money so when you when you sold the company off to somebody to do that do you are you done with it completely or are you sort of like a partial partner no i'm still involved i'm still like the founder and you know i mean i work with all the designs and the creative okay but i just don't have the same anxiety that you know wakes me up at 4am every morning you don't have to do the shitty parts right yeah i just do the fun stuff the fun founder stuff so what made you want to stay and not just wipe your hands clean of it that always seemed like a dream of mine if you're really gonna retire and cut and be done and go to montana just be like take it all fucking i don't care if you run it into the ground bro i mean it's you know like it's Like I said, it's nice that the fear of failure isn't as in the room as it was when I was the captain of the ship. But now it's like I still have a piece of the dream, and I only do the part that I want to do. What happened to dabs, bro? Dabs were the biggest thing in the world for six months. We saw people dying. Now dabs are nowhere to be found. I don't know what circles you were in, but I don't know if dabs were the biggest thing in the world. I was in a circle called the Instagram Explore page, and they were pretty popular there. I would say dabbing had a moment for sure. I don't know if I would call it the most popular thing ever because it did require a lot of it. I remember those Instagram reels with competitive dabbing. Yeah, exactly. I miss that because as a person who – I used to smoke weed.

every day and i dabbed once and it did kind of cripple me in a way that was truly impressive and i was like oh this maybe is the future um but it kind of went the other way you know so i was i was wrong so let's hope you're not wrong about crypto you know what i'm saying it's the same kind of thing i think it's the kind of thing where you're like wow why are there not more instagram people of them doing selfies on the edge of cliffs it's like well because it's it's not you know like Eventually, those people fall off the cliff. That's true. Yeah, that's a great point, actually. That's a great point. Yeah, I mean, the one time I did dab, I had to take a break. I had to sit down for 30-plus minutes before I did anything because it didn't feel safe. Well, I've been seeing a lot of news now that marijuana is illegal and a lot of people are consuming it and saying people are being hospitalized. dying and having mental breakdowns and mental issues because of marijuana. What do you think about that? It feels a little BS to me. I think if you replace the word vodka with marijuana, the numbers would double. That's what I think is so crazy. It's just a new thing to be upset about, it feels like, but it's also like if a 14-year-old goes absolutely crazy in mom's liquor cabinet or in the stash, it's not going to be... Good. Yeah. I mean, even if you have a mental breakdown on weed, at least there's no hangover, you know? Yeah. You wake up super well rested and the next day. True pussy shit, honestly. So, Scott, do your kids do marijuana yet or no? They're not. So my daughter, I grow weed all the time. Like every year in our backyard, we've got a bunch of weed plants. They know to take care of the weedies. That's what they call them. And we water them every morning. Okay, so you're getting them started young. Got it. They have no idea you can smoke weed to get high. They have no clue. Oh, really? They just think it's a nice, cool plant. Yeah. I mean, I tell them it's for air freshener because I like the way it smells. And the other day, my daughter, I came home, and she had scattered a half pound of weed all over the house just to make it smell nice.

Dad, look what I did. Doesn't it smell great in here? It actually does. It smells really nice in here. It smells like about $1,200 in here. Approximately $1,200. And that was for Daddy's friend to come pick up. So I'm assuming your kids are on the younger side then. Yeah, I have a five-year-old and a seven-year-old had a vasectomy. Wait, do you actually have a vasectomy? I do. I do. I love it. Wow. You're leading the charge for men everywhere. Tell me all about it. Chris would like to see a couple of brochures if you don't mind. It's great. I mean, my second child wasn't completely intentional. Sure. Sweet way to put it. And after he came around, I was like... terrified you know i was literally like i would have sex and i'd be like don't let it touch you don't let it land on you like every just stay away and um and then i got away i'm gonna just go over here and finish babe if you could just wait i've also screamed stay away during sex but it had nothing to do with eye contact with the semen I love vasectomies. I'm a huge – everybody should get them. Okay. So let's go. How much does it cost? What's the recovery time? Oh, God. I don't know how much it cost. I mean I want to say it was around like $1,000, $1,200. I went with like – Did you have to post about it on Instagram to get a discount? Yeah. Did you go to Influencer Snipper? I was really – I mean first of all, I live in L.A. and I know a bunch of fancy people. So I was like – first of all, I was like, who does Brad Pitt's balls? I want to like talk to them. And I met with the guy who like does Brad Pitt's balls. I do Brad Pitt's balls. He was great, but he was like really chatty. And he just wanted to like name drop the whole time. And I was like, how often are you actually, you know, snipping wires? And then a buddy of mine, I mean, I won't say that anyway, but a buddy of mine was like, no, man, you got to go for the guy who's like in the trenches doing like a hundred a day, you know? And then, so then I met with, I met with that guy who was just this doctor in Santa Monica who does like,

20 mastectomies a day, and I was like, him, that's the one. Okay, so if someone's going to put a scalpel to my penis, I want quantity, not quality. I just want them to, like, I want them to not even, like, I want it second nature, where, like, they cut so many balls. It's just like breathing to them. Right, right, right. Like shooting a free throw. Don't get in your head about it. Just trust the process. The body does the work for you, muscle memory. Exactly. And he did a great job. I'm neurotic, so I was sitting there backseat driving the whole thing. You're like, well, I did do a few ride-alongs in the ambulance, so I knew a couple of things. How's my blood pressure going? Are you sure? You sure that's the right one, Chief? You sure? Yeah, yeah. The green wire, right? Not the red wire. Just give me the snippers. I saw this on YouTube. Back up. So how do you feel? What's the recovery time? I sat at the Chateau Marmont for three days with ice on my balls and room service and Vicodin, and it was a lovely weekend. Damn, bro. Don't trigger, Chris. Yeah, this is too good. I can't take Vicodin anymore, but I can definitely put ice on my balls. Wow, that's... That sounds ideal, to be honest. It was really great, yeah. I've never had a firsthand account of a vasectomy before. I've never heard that in my entire life. Thank you for exposing us to this new trend. What's the over-under on getting a reversal, though, Scott? What do you think the chances are? I don't know. I mean, as we've gone into it, I'm very apocalypse-minded. I was like, I don't know how many John Connors there could be. It's like, I'm just, you know. I think I'm going to stick with the two that I got. I think that's smart. I think this is a good decision. I'm sure it's appealing to the fairer sex. You know what I mean? Hey, look. I got all my paperwork. I mean, it definitely puts it out there. I mean, even like with dating, like I'm not with my baby mama anymore. We did the whole like conscious uncoupling thing. And dating with a mastectomy, it makes things real efficient. You know, because we're like, this is a road I'm not going down. So when do you let them know about that? Oh, day one. Like, before I give them my phone number, I'll be like, I have a vasectomy. Okay, that's like, yeah, okay, that's cool. And how often is that a deal breaker versus, oh, okay, so you like to fuck a lot. No, I mean, I think it's...

I mean, I'm 45. You know what I mean? So women I date, it's kind of like... That's a big ticket item on the calendar of what... Yeah. I mean, if someone's between 35 and 40, it's on their radar. And I'm like, look, if you're looking for that, don't waste time with me. Go find it. Go find that twinkle butt that's going to do it. Breeder need not apply. I think it's very cool. It's similar to... sobriety, you like to tell everybody up front. You know what I mean? Let's get this out of the way so you understand why I'm not having a Negroni. Yeah, but is it first day, second day? Yeah. Why I'm not having a Negroni. Yeah, I'm not having a Negroni. Or just start a podcast so everyone knows everything about you and you don't have to do any of that. That's right. Well, when you start a podcast, they just assume you're a virgin, which is a little bit of a, kind of doesn't work that well. And then you get a chance to prove them wrong, Chris. Yeah, and then you get a chance, three times a week, you get a chance to prove them wrong. So it's a pretty, it's a nice challenge as well. It's our version of a ride alone. Scott, speaking of, of reversing the vasectomy let's talk about reversing the tattoo uh laser removal seems like there's a lot of progress and uh In that world in the last couple of years, what are some tips and tricks, your thoughts on it? My girlfriend's currently getting a couple little finger tats removed right now, and she's going through it. So I'd like to give her some words of encouragement, please. Oh, man. I mean, laser removal, it's still pretty brutal. I mean, definitely don't get tattooed in thinking about getting it removed. There has been. I keep hearing these things about tattoos. ink where it's like, oh, this ink only lasts a year and then it fades away. Yeah, there's that corny startup. They have a tattoo shop on La Cienega that's the whole thing. It fades. That's the whole business. Yeah, but the thing is, okay, if this tattoo fades over a year... That means for six months, you have a tattoo that looks good. And then for six months, you have a tattoo that looks like it's 20 years old. Yeah, that's a great point, actually. And it still costs you $700. Yeah, exactly. And so I don't know. I think someday someone's going to invent tattoo ink that has a vulnerability designed into it.

where it's like, oh, if you wave this UV light over it, it disappears. And then tattoos that have a switch, that would be a thing. You've done some stony thinking about this, I feel. Oh, yeah, for sure. I've been approached by all the VCs that back all these fancy ink things. I've been in those think tanks. And yeah, I didn't drink the Kool-Aid. I just want to pick your brain, Scott. This will be an unpaid opportunity, of course. Basically, they're like, will you go tell people to invest in this? And it's like, no, I won't. So you've never been laser removed for any of your tattoos, then? I have. I've gotten a couple removed. Okay. But I look like the bathroom wall of CBGBs. I'm not... precious about that's what i was gonna ask like it must be something really so then what did it take to get you to it was honestly it was i got tattooed by someone who kind of came out that that he did some really not cool stuff with women okay okay and i didn't want his juju on me and so i was like i'm gonna get rid of that So you're inked up by a canceled artist. Yeah, yeah, basically. And I was like, I didn't like... Unfortunately, Scott, I feel like I might be inked up by a canceled artist as well. We can talk about this off mic. Yeah. If you have a tattoo, then yes, you have been inked up by a canceled artist or someone that's done something inappropriate with a woman. Yeah. I mean, tattoo artists are not like the moral compasses we should... That was always my problem. That was always my problem because I have a lot of tattoos, you know, and I like... But I just hated everything about going into the places. I just don't want to talk about motorcycles or hardcore. I don't know. It's just like the fact that it's always going to be like that. I know it's changed a little bit, of course, over time. But is the... the rise of the private studio, I feel like is the future. I'm a fancy tattooer, you know, according to Wikipedia, but I'm the, I, I will not claim to be, you know, better tattoo or better at doing lines or coloring or shading than anybody else. Like if there's anything that's like, that's kind of helped me become successful in this craft, it's that I genuinely like give a shit about people, you know? And cause at the end of the day,

Like if you have a horrible experience getting a beautiful tattoo, you'll always hate it, you know, and you could get a crappy tattoo. And if you have the best time getting it, you'll always love it. I got a lot of those. I got a lot of those, Scott. Yeah. I'm going door number two. I'm with you. Yeah, totally. And so I think, yeah, getting a nice tattoo by a. shitty person, it turns into a shitty tattoo. Look, I only got one tattoo by a guy with an ankle bracelet on. I didn't notice it until after he'd already started, so that's not really on me at that point. It's totally fine. Well, I know that you're known for your black and gray work, but what if someone like me, who's more of a traditionalist, wants kind of a full-color classic? I know that's not what you're known for, but can I come to you for that? Or are you like, I'm all set? I honestly don't even have color pigments in my shop. I wouldn't even know. So basically, if I'm coming to Scott Campbell, you get the Scott Campbell shit. That's what you want, and that's what you pay for. I did have a panicked moment. I mean, I'll say it. I was tattooing Travis Scott last year, and we were doing this big thing on his leg. I had tattooed him before. I did this thing on his arm. years ago that was color back when I still had color and I was doing this big thing on his leg and he's like cool he's like so I think you know this should be red and like you know like what would do this blue and I literally I was like yeah yeah yeah of course and I had to like sideline my assistant I was like I need you to drive to this other shop and give me some red and blue ink because I don't even have it here okay so you're so you're saying if I'm Travis Scott I could get a little color But otherwise, take your business somewhere else. Yeah, you're getting the color tax, though. You're paying the color tax. Yeah, Chris, get your streams up, and maybe we'll get there. I'll work on my streaming. Yeah, I mean, we talk about this a lot on the podcast because we're just a little bit younger than you, and I'm sure you remember this as a member of the tattoo community, but the face tattoo as kind of like a...

scarlet letter and now it's become a very popular thing that's the first tattoo that you get yeah like when i was when i was 18 19 like it was like most guys i knew wouldn't do that yeah they just wouldn't do it i mean it's great face tattoos are like the new full sleeve you know like when i was a kid i remember driving by the tattoo shop and seeing guys with full sleeves and being like holy fuck, that guy's hard as hell. You know what I mean? That was real heavy. I don't know. It's not a matter of if he's killed, but how many people he has killed. No, it's like a koi fish in some ponds, but sure, he's still tough. He's still tough. And now it's like, yeah, every graphic designer has full sleeves. But yeah, now the face tattoo is like how far you have to go to kind of have that weight to it. But what is your over-under on the face tattoo? Is it like if it's somebody you know? I don't do it. You won't do it. I don't do face tattoos. I remember there was this guy. He was like in a biker gang and literally like does horrible, horrible things for money. And, you know, he's the only face I ever tattooed. Because you maybe didn't have a choice in the matter maybe? I mean it was that. Also I was just like, oh, maybe this will help him get recognized in a lineup. You know, so I'm actually like. Oh, yeah. I'm like, this person should not be anonymous. Scott said I'm the feds, bitch. Yeah, you didn't know. I'm playing 3D. I'm on my other shit right now. Okay, so adding a defining factor to someone's face. Do you remember what this upstanding citizen got tattooed on the face? Yeah, it was like a TCB lightning bolt. Classic. I need one of those myself. I mean, it's great. I love all this. But it is crazy that tattoos have also become like celebrity. That's been a part of your business historically, but it's just crazy. People are just so down for it, and it's just interesting to watch. It hasn't been that long. And Scott kind of got to be right in the right place, right time for all of that. I don't know if anybody would give a shit about me if I came up like 10 years later, because I kind of gained notoriety before.

Instagram came around you know when it was like like you had to be in a place in order to be a part of a community you know and I was like I was in the downtown New York scene and like you know tattooing some of the most powerful creatives in the world at a moment when like to be there you had to be there whereas now it's not like and now Instagram is is everything like I can't I can't do TikTok dances and all that shit I don't think anybody would care about me if I if I hadn't hit that time frame. No, I mean, I lived in New York during that time, and there was a little mythology. You know what I'm saying? Saved was like a thing. I mean, I remember going out and going to Beatrice with Heath Ledger every night after work and just seeing the cast of characters around. It was amazing. We all lived through that, and that's just never going to happen again. You know what I mean? That's it. We did it. But, I mean, New York during that period was probably the best. I mean, everybody says that, though, their generation. Yeah, I mean, people are always like, oh, do you miss New York? Do you miss New York? I was like, dude, the New York I miss, JetBlue doesn't fly there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I miss New York 2004. What year did New York stop? Being in New York that you love, 2004? I don't know. Maybe it stopped when I had kids. That's possible. 2014, 2015, it started getting real hedge fundy and real Wall Street. It priced out all the weirdo kids. Everybody either went to Detroit or Berlin or L.A. I just miss the weirdos. I remember in the early 2000s, you could sit in Soho. And just watch rivers of humanity flowing by you. You know, you hear like 12 different languages and just like every, every walk of life. Right. Every, every other person was wildly interesting. And now you're there. And now it's like, it's kind of all the same. One in a hundred people are halfway interesting. I do love it. I also like having a driveway to park in. I don't know the street cleaning schedule. I have no clue when they're going to clean the street. I don't know. Don't big dick us, bro. I don't even have to. I got 10 cars. I don't even have to look at the street cleaning schedule. Okay, that's a certain kind of flex, and I understood you. That's a dog whistle. So where in L.A. are you tattooing out of nowadays? I have a studio downtown.

like arts district where all the, you know, all the shaggy haired tattooed kids are. Do you go in there every day? You just kind of go in there when needed. Yeah. Yeah. No, I go there Monday through Friday and hang out, you know, so I can feel like I'm, I'm still a part of things and hang out. I mean, I love, you know, like I, I have a tattoo shop now for, for the community of it, you know, and just to kind of support tattoo artists that I think are doing cool stuff and give them a, a home and a place to work and, you know, like really just celebrate people. Like there's, people who work in my shop that I love so much. And every day I look at them and I was like, I don't know, like, like, I don't know where else you could fit into the world if it weren't like this tattoo shop. Like there's, it's, and I, and I really love that, you know, like that's, that's what I love about tattooing is it's just this like refuge for weirdos who can't hold real jobs. I do love tattooing and it, it keeps me from, you know, like, like I get inspired by tattooing people, you know, I mean, I, I have my art studio where I go and I hang out by myself. Then I'll go tattoo somebody, and I kind of like that when you're tattooing a person, they bring ideas and opinions to the equation that might pull me out of my comfort zone or might pull me out of my rut. I didn't think to do it like that, but that was cool, and now I learned a new trick from my client. That's unfortunate because all the tattoo artists I see just tell me to shut the fuck up and kind of lay there, and there's not much back and forth. You know what I mean? There's not a lot of feedback. But it's good to know that you are open to that just for the future. That's good to know that guys like you exist. Yeah, he has an open mind. Yeah, to a point. If you take it too far, I'll let you know. You're like, no, no, no. We're going this way. That's cute for you, but I don't plan to add that to my arsenal. That was always my thing. And maybe that's why I gravitated towards Flash. I'm like, I want these guys to do their job. I have no interest in telling them how to do it. They are professionals. It's like cutting my own hair. I'm just not going to do it. I'm not going to bring in a sketch I did on paper.

It's just crazy to me. And also, since your tattoos mean nothing to you personally or emotionally, it's just more like an aesthetic thing, then it's easier to do that. It's a celebration of art and the artist. Jason, you have no idea the emotion tied to these things, bro. Do not fucking do that. Are you kidding me? I should probably have a little less emotion in mine. You're like, I've got to dial this shit back. It's getting a little sappy in here. I need to turn up the aesthetic and maybe the emotion not so much. Every time you put your kid's birth date or an outline of their foot stamp as an infant, get a barbed wire or something like that. I get tattooed by people I like and sometimes they're decent tattooers and oftentimes they're not. It goes back to that thing. The experience of like I hung out with them an afternoon and it left this mark and I got fond memories of it. How many thigh tattoos has Justin Bieber done on you? Is it just one or is it like three to four? I haven't tattooed Bieber. My buddy Brian, he tattoos Bieber all the time. You got to have a bad celebrity tattoo. Who do I have? I do have a really amazing tattoo that Johnny Depp did on my back. Oh, shit. What? which we were, I've tried to do Johnny for years. He, I, I love him. I'm, I'm like, we can go into that wormhole if we want. But, but yeah, we were in London and he did this like, you know, like he was good friends with Hunter S Thompson. And so he did this Hunter S Thompson quote on my back. That was, it said, buy the ticket, take the ride. And the stencil was like just straight Helvetica. And, but then the, When he finished it, it looked like a Ralph Stedman drawing. I don't know if you know Ralph Stedman. Yeah, of course, of course. It looked like some crazy watercolor, just like violent act happened upon my shoulder. So you're saying that Johnny should be tatting instead of acting? Are you saying he has the gift? He should not be doing tattoos. I mean, it's beautiful. It really is. He went gonzo mode when he should have been going Helvetica mode. I mean, he has plenty of things.

to invest his self-esteem in. Tattooing is not one of them. That's a great way to put it. I mean, that's a pretty good one. I feel like a lot of people have like, Selena Gomez did a heart on my thumb, you know what I mean? And it's not quite as cool, you know? No, it was a good one. So you've tatted up Johnny a bunch over the years, you said? He's been in the news lately, right? I have. Yeah, I think I heard him mention somewhere about something going on. I guess he's pretty heavily tatted. Yeah, he's got a bunch of tattoos. Are there any people that you've tattooed that we all know? that have a lot more tattoos than we realize. You know what I mean? That's, that's always, I mean, there's, there's people I've tattooed that like the world can never know they have a tattoo. Wow. You know, like, like have you had to sign an NDA? Yeah. It's like, like, Oh God, how can I even like, Like leaders of countries. What? Who are not supposed to have tattoos. Leaders of countries? I thought I was going to be like, yeah, Beyonce likes to keep that tramp stamp hidden. But you're saying that. No, no, no, no. You're saying that leader. Okay, wow. So you did like a nautical star on 45? What's going on? I can't. I can't. No, 45's not invited. 45's not invited. I know I go redneck, but I don't go that far. Testing the waters. I saw that Putin had something on his ankle, but I wasn't sure kind of who was responsible for that. But it's kind of good to know that that – Look, Osama came by the shot. You guys go straight for the worst-case scenario. Worst-case scenario. No, that's so funny. But that's – I mean I think it is interesting that no matter how popular and part of like mainstream culture tattooing gets, there's always going to be people who like – desperately want it and desperately have to hide it. You know what I mean? Because of, for, for reasons that are kind of beyond their control. And then you got a Ben Affleck who's like, yeah, fuck it. Oh my God. I actually, my favorite, I'll tell the story because I'm still kind of bitter about it, but like Ben Affleck actually, Oh God. I mean, fuck it. If he hears it, it's fine. But he actually reached out to me to do that. His back piece ages ago. And I still,

have the drawing and i was literally i was like okay like i sketched it out and his assistant i'll say his assistant so that he can throw them under the rug if he wants to but but basically i was like okay cool they're like yeah can you you know can you draw it out and show us what it looked like color and i was like look like it's like 900 bucks i literally remember numbers yeah i was like if you want me to draw this all out like i need 900 bucks for my time Like, I can't just draw for free, even if it's Ben Affleck. And they were like, no, we can't really spend that money on it. And and so then he went and got the back piece and it became like the joke of every late night talk show. Is that like is that like a walk in job or do you know who did that? I don't know who did that. And I mean, like, no, no shade on the artist. Like I just but I just I just love that. I was like, dude, I like we had it. I could have I could have I could have helped you out there, bro. 900 is probably not going to make or break Ben Affleck's monthly nut, I'm assuming. No. I'm sure he spent more than that on PR just scrubbing those photos up there. Yeah, that's a great point. And also the trust of just like, hey, I'm like a very famous celebrated tattoo artist who many of your famous celebrity friends have gotten tattoos from. You're not going to trust me? Yeah, like, I'm the guy, bro. Like, I'm the guy for this. Like, do not go elsewhere. Like, just give me the money. I'm the guy. Here's my Venmo. Figure it out. And it was, you know, it was deductible from the tattoo. You know, it wasn't just like charting. Yeah. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah. It wasn't like an extra. I like that. That's a good value. I like you stood your ground, though, with these fucking celebrities because they should be paying. You know what I mean? No one's got no one's got more fucking money. You're paying me 900 for the drawing, bitch. And that's the that's the bottom line. Totally reasonable. Totally reasonable. reasonable uh scott campbell thank you for joining us on how long gone today it was a blast you got any stuff to plug anything coming out any uh nft series any books no that's it i'm happy i you know i got my vasectomy out there i really that was really important to mention so ladies ladies if you're listening he's clean ready to go

This guy's clean. The house is nice. He's good, bro. He's great. He's got cars and shit. So you're in Pasadena. If you want, I'll send over some sweet green cashew credit for you. The great location over in Colorado. I appreciate it, guys. Thank you so much.