881. - Nicky Campbell

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. Konnichiwa. Good morning, Jason. It is 5.45 a.m. here in Tokyo. sparkling lights over the city the sun isn't up yet this is feeling romantic and disorienting two of my favorite feelings um how are you how are you doing lost in translation ass shout out to our friend cooper um i'm doing well you know you're going through it 5 45 a.m podcast start time is tough luckily you are um bf tea built for this whereas i'm doing a late pod this is 12 48 p.m tuesday afternoon which means you know we're getting a late start over here in glendale it's okay well i'll have to go out to dinner tonight i won't have time to prepare a feast unfortunately which is rare for me i'm sorry i'm sorry i prepare feasts daily so today is very out of whack i'll say preparing feasts daily is such a cool really Oh, man. But normal day for me over here, it's 75 degrees. It's beautiful. I might hit the beach tomorrow. I'm not joking. It's a beautiful... I hope that's what it's like when I'm there next week. Actually, the weather in Tokyo has been kind of perfect, like sunny and a little chilly. You can put your little jacket that you bought on, but it's not too crazy, which has been nice because I'm walking 30,000 steps a day or whatever. Are you actually?

Yeah, yesterday. I mean, my dogs are barking like a motherfucker. It's crazy. Did you check your steps, Chris? It feels unlike you, I will say. No, I checked my steps because, Brooke, we were talking about it. Because Mike Nouveau is here, and Brooks, who's a very old friend who's doing production on Hanover, is also here. So we had a – Brooks and I went shopping yesterday, and he's an absolute maniac about it. So we were out all day long. And, you know, Jason, you know I like to shop, but – I don't – the way people come to shop here is like a different level that I don't think I'm comfortable with. Oh, okay. I think it's like – I think it's cool and the retail experience. I went to the La Mer store, which is in like an old house. It's fucking beautiful. It's amazing. But like I don't know, man. Eight hours of shopping. I'm not – I bought one jacket. Eight is tough. I just don't know. So for listeners who don't know, Japan known for crazy shopping. A lot of amazing stores, rare denim and streetwear and old stuff and Americana and all kinds of stuff. But you're kind of like, the game isn't funny anymore, kind of? You don't want to do ass to ass and everyone else's, your homies are trying to push it? No, no, I'm fine with it. I don't think I realized how deep it went. Pause. Which is my, I mean, that's my own stupidity. Is it too deep for you? I wouldn't say that. I mean, I think it was, you know, yesterday looking at all the, when you're looking at vintage clothes for the whole eight, when you're looking at vintage clothes for five hours and you know, I care more than most people, but there's several levels above me, you know, where it's like, Oh, okay, sure. Yeah. This is, yeah, it's cool. This is the, 600th barber i've seen and i already have 10 so i don't know what the this this would make me feel good though you know it'd be like if i'm thinking to myself like damn i should probably stop drinking so much you know holiday season i'm getting a little puffy blah blah blah and then you just meet a fucking raging fucking alcoholic person like oh you know maybe it ain't so bad after all i mean the whole thing like brooks and i like before dinner we had a little time to kill we had to do the classic american move where you hit muji because he had to buy like a giant suitcase to check

you know an extra because he bought so much stuff but in his defense he's buying references it's like his job you know what i mean he's not just shopping to shop so it was like interesting because he's so knowledgeable it was fun i was like learning stuff whatever you got to tell yourself man hey i'm just i'm a dj drinking is part of the job i mean that's that's also that's i that is true i mean that is true but it is true i'm happy to be here i've eaten my weight in tuna um so you know that's that's looking good Damn. You sound like Ellen up in here. Yeah. Chris Black, the munch. I'm a real eater when it comes to sashimi, but I'm at this new JW Marriott that opened, and it's in this crazy train station. So it is very easy for me to get places via train. And you are in Tokyo, Japan, yes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's easy. Oh, I'm looking at pics right now. Did they hook you up at the... With a blessed room? Yeah. I mean, I'm on the 24th floor, so the view is really crazy. It's got the sauna. It's got the pool. It's got the gym. It's got everything I need. But it's very like... Looks nice. I'm Googling it. Does your room have a water feature? It has the bathroom that's like a whole room, and it's got floor-to-ceiling windows with the shower and the bathtub. So I'm looking out at the people of Tokyo while I'm cleaning the filth off every day. While you're pulling a tree? I'm with it. Exactly. Exactly, yeah, I'm falling tree. But it's got this very peaceful ambiance to it that I quite like. Japan? All right, if you say so. I mean, you don't see other people really in the hotel. Like the way they have it set up, it's very, it's like you walk, I don't know, it's very nice. I like it a lot. It's like a Japanese, I think I've heard you talk about it before on a podcast. Were you discussing about how Japanese people just, they take, whatever it is and they just crank it down and perfect it and hone it and just but and it's not appropriation it's like admiration you know it's like a respect thing yeah no it is yeah we were exactly yeah but i'm saying there japan has taken just discretion in a hotel and and then just you know turned it into however they're treating the neapolitan style pizza or the uh

cortado or whatever in terms of perfection i'm gonna have to go get pizza today i'm desperate i'm gonna i'm gonna go fine i'm gonna sit alone somewhere uh and and have a pie really really really touch really touch god but yeah it's been a long uh week and then the travel day is just so fucked that you're sort of like i don't know where i am i don't know what's going on And that's it. That's sort of the charm as well. I think that you're here in this. I think you have to stay here for fucking two weeks to like really get used to it as far as the time goes. Okay. And I feel like you're, are you staying for less than a week? uh yeah i would like to yeah i uh i don't how many days are you saying though for reals like six like six days i think i think total which is which is perfect for me i don't i don't need i don't need three weeks to like discover a place no yeah i'm happy to be here i'm happy to be up i'm happy to be podcasting i feel like we've taken a little break because of the way we scheduled it last week and thanks to to opn for coming on thanks to big nuzzy uh who was um You know, a diabolical how-long-gone guest in the best way possible. People keep asking me what she was like. I'm like, did you listen to the episode? Because that kind of tells you what she's like. I can't offer much more in the way of what she was like. We didn't spend a week with her on the ranch in Albuquerque. We didn't get dinner with her. We never met her. The hour that you heard was the hour that we had. Yeah, we didn't do the Rolling Stone profile in the 90s where we spent a week and a half with her and her parents. I'd rather get that than all of the comments of... you know people upset with me for not asking her about rfk you know ivermectin or something like that yeah i i can't sorry i didn't do that y'all yeah i know it's it's a pretty funny the the burner it's just bots though yeah the bot the bot burner accounts are they they really come out to play when it's a political uh my god it's it's so funny it's so funny because it's it's just like

It just seems so, like, what are we trying to do here? You know, what can are you kicking down the road, chief? I mean, I feel bad for our nation's elderly and gullible because, you know, I could see how a lot of this stuff is absolutely working and captivating the minds of our people my age and older, I guess, depending on where they live in the country. Don't do that to yourself. But also very young people, you know what I mean? The door swings both ways in terms of susceptibility to, A.I. propaganda, but man, it's it's loco out there, especially in the political range. But I guess, you know, it's a sign that, you know, you're shaking things up, climbing up that hill, running up that hill, climbing up that hill, running up that rock wall. I wanted to talk to you, even though it's a little, a little tired, but the mysterious source of income, creative people. Oh, yeah. Infographic meme that you appeared on. I caught a stray. I caught a stray, but I. I mean, it's very funny. I wouldn't say that you caught a stray. Well, only because it's a literal picture of me. That's the only... It's not like a description. It's not like a loose description. It's a picture of me in my home. It's a picture of you in your home, but the caption says, vague creative job that is somewhat businessy, consulting at a fund or just like at a company in the bio. So, I guess it's only vague if you're not a part of the creative world or business that you're in. You know what I mean? I look every day on somebody's bio and it says at, and then it's just like the most gay. name of all time dot ai well i think i don't know what that means i think i deserve this of course and i'm proud i'm wearing this i'm wearing i mean i'm not i'm not gonna beat these charges in any way shape or form i i've never i've never been involved with a fund though i will say that i will give myself that like yeah but i feel like you're okay with that distinction perhaps i'm fine i think it's all funny and that could be worse that guy is really funny like they're there because i think these things were so popular for a while and the and the key is that like

This guy is so specific that it's so good that it really lands. And I did get tagged in that. It's also, while that's happening... uh it came out like i think the day or the day after the hanover stuff came out so i was like yeah i'm really not beating these charges there's absolutely no charges being beat so i i kudos to him i i think it's funny and i'm thank you to everyone for sending it because i i actually i'm gonna give no kudos for me though i don't like it you know what you are you defending my honor or you just mean from a comedic standpoint no no well i guess a little bit of both but it's like here's a picture of a guy and it says Hey, I just started a clothing company, and here's the name of it, and here's the website where you can buy it. Here's my podcast. Here's the name of it. Here's the website where you can listen to it. It's not that vague. When does the mysterious part start? You know what I mean? I also think that no one... I mean, we've talked about this before, but when I started doing this kind of stuff, it felt very vague because no one knew what was going on, and now it's been ruined because every 22-year-old... doesn't want a job. So they have to figure out a way to make vague income and whether that's on Tik TOK or, you know, consulting. So I, you know, it is, it is a bigger, it's in the zeitgeist, I would say much bigger than it ever has been. Yeah. Um, maybe I don't like it because I can't tell if it's. meant to be complimentary or insultory you know i think that's the success i think that's what makes it a success actually is that line where you're like i don't know if this is a compliment or if you're making fun of me but i but it's written in a potentially insultory tone but it's it's commending all things that are good yeah like this fucking guy's got a fucking Bottega bag. He's always traveling but doesn't talk about it. That's exactly what you should be doing. Isn't this all good stuff? I do travel a lot, and all we do is talk about it. What do you mean? That's literally all we do. I guess maybe in a public sense, but I don't know. I guess a podcast is a bridge further than Instagram or Twitter, I guess. I don't know. I agree. That one is a little confusing. That one's a little confusing. I think the overarching thing...

where it's listing what this mysterious source of income person, you, could be. And it says they're either one of four things, a grifter, generationally wealthy, striving, or any two of the above. So I think the thing that I don't like is that just because somebody doesn't have a LinkedIn page, does not mean that they are a grifter or a nepo baby or generationally wealthy. It just means they're not a fucking dork. Yeah, there's nothing I would rather be more than a nepo baby or generationally wealthy. I don't know. These things have turned into negatives, but I think we would all like our lives to be a little easier with a few caveats, like your dad's an alcoholic actor or whatever. I mean, I think we could all live with that if we had to, if we absolutely had to. We could. I could figure out a way. I could figure out a way. All right, yeah, we do have a guest today, Nicky Bell. You probably know from his work on the World Wide Web, sort of reviewing the red carpet, skewering the celebs, giving his feedback on outfits and the world at large. He's also a stylist and just a funny guy that I quite like, and I think this is the crossover the world needs. I can't wait to talk to him about it. uh timmy and kylie in the matching orange chrome hearts last night at the uh marty supreme premiere with the chrome hearts ping pong paddle crossbody holder at the nickelodeon kids choice i mean in marty supreme he looked like he was dressed up like a fucking nickelodeon kids choice award that's what he looked recent forbes 30 under 30 Go off. But yeah, he's a funny guy on social media. Everyone likes to watch his commentation and styling criticisms. Let's see how late he is. He's already two minutes. I'm going to give him until five after. He tried to go early, this little bitch. All right, let's give him a call. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot.

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I can't be comfortable this way. So I don't know. Maybe I affected something. How long have you lived in New York? Because you realize that's like every winter that happens if you don't, you know, because of the way that the city is set up and your radiator is controlled by God, not by you. I guess you're right, but I haven't talked into that. until lately i've been here for like i went to school here so i've been here for almost 10 years my 10 year anniversary oh how does it feel you're you're getting a you're getting a green card now it feels awful i think i have to leave i keep the brainstorming where i should go Where is your ass going to live besides that? Are you from L.A.? I'm from L.A., born and raised, baby. Okay. So if you don't go back home, also, Nikki, your camera is completely frozen, by the way. Let's just turn it off. I know. What is that about? Oh, wait. I think I'm coming back. Probably just your Wi-Fi speed. You got no heat? You got no fucking Wi-Fi? I don't know. I thought you were doing well. These videos get a lot of views, bro, but if you can't get the Wi-Fi, I don't know what's going on with you, bro. Listen, it's hard out here. This does seem better, though, actually. I don't know what's going on. Don't jinx it. Okay, something happened. Okay, so you are from, born and raised in L.A. You turned 18. You went to Parsons, studied fashion. You've been in New York ever since, but now you are considering, Maybe leaving because New York is killing you outside of Los Angeles. Are there any other places that are seriously in contention? I just got back from London and I kind of heavily fuck with it there. Mate. Love London, yeah. Same. It's beautiful. Yeah, it's beautiful. I love the accents. The accents are really rich. Say more when you say rich. Aristocracy or rich? Sexually, it arouses me. Got it. Got it. Got it. All right. And I find that rich. What's the gay vibe? What is the gay vibe in London? The gay vibe is, I don't feel like I've explored it. It's not as slutty as New York. You know what I mean? Maybe we should ask you that question, Chris. You probably know a little bit more than Nikki does. That's what I was going to, that's what I was going to guess. About the gay vibe in London?

I mean, he's not sucking and fucking, but he's spent a lot of time in those spaces. Right, right. Perhaps more than you. It does, but Nikki, it feels like it's at least a little more behind closed doors, if nothing else. Yes, that is correct. No fucking in the streets. They're very closeted in that way. Clandestine. Maybe you like to keep it low. I mean, it depends on how many straight guys are part of this. Then you've got to keep it quiet. I'm open. Yeah, when you were in London over under on straight versus... I'm open. No shit. You guys are all open. Yeah. It's like I'm literally open to whatever. You're not looking to flip, but you're saying if a straight guy is interested, that doesn't hurt his case with you. No, it does not hurt the case at all. I mean, it depends on what their face looks like, but... It doesn't generally hurt the case, no. Yeah, I think that goes across the board as far as every dating or sexual relationship, but I'm glad that you pointed that out. Yeah, of course. I'm really observant. When I'm thinking about what guys to date... I think what their face looks like really depends a lot. It can change literally everything. It will change everything. It could change everything. Suddenly nothing matters or suddenly everything matters. So you're in London and are you kicking the tires? Are you looking at leasing a property? How far is this just a pipe dream at this stage? So it's still a pipe dream, but I'm threatening it like every single day. And I'm just like hoping to bring it to whom your friends and family or yourself to just like everyone, the universe. Okay. Literally anyone that I meet. I'm like, by the way, I'm moving. I'll fucking do it, bitch. Yeah, I'll fucking move. I don't even give a fuck. I'm ready. I just like I just because maybe then they'll start bullying me into like being like, I thought you were going to London. Then I'll be like, yeah, I guess I should do that. Accountability. But yeah, but let's talk about what what Mama Campbell thinks about you getting even further away from her. Los Angeles home. I'm sure she doesn't like it. I mean, this year for my parents, they're like, what the fuck are you doing? What's going on? What's happening?

But why this year? This is the year that you have blown up on social media. You should be like, I'm represented now, parents. They're going to get a good Christmas present this year, right? Yeah, they're going to get a hand-me-down Gucci freebie. That's so funny because that actually is what I was literally going to do. Yeah, you should. They're getting tons of cosmetic. Yeah, all of a sudden they have the full Glossier collection. Mom, you like road, don't you? Well, I think your parents probably – I'm going to guess that your parents wanted you to be like a doctor or a lawyer or something, and then instead you've done something different, let's say. Correct, correct. I mean they both have like PhDs and are very like academic in that way. Hold on, bitch. Your parents both got PhDs and you're out here on TikTok. You're a talking head? I'm here. I'm on TikTok. I know. Okay, what about siblings? Do you have any siblings that are making them proud? I have an older sister that works in consulting, so like, yes. Okay. And she went to my dad's alma mater. Which is, wait, I need to understand the level of education we're talking about. Are we going Ivy League? No, she didn't do, she went to University of Michigan, which was actually more important to my father. And then she went to Northwestern. She got a master's. She's lacking on the PhD, so they're not super thrilled about that. But it's still better than me running around Parsons. And they were like, you finished college, though. You finished college. I unwillingly did finish college. Yes, I did. What was your what was your degree in? If you don't mind me asking. That's so invasive. I would never answer that. I majored in this really random kind of made-up major called strategic design and management. Okay, okay, okay. Does that mean anything to you? I mean, people say I have a vague job. Let me tell you something. Strategic design and management? Yeah, what are you designing and what are you managing? Yeah, those are just words. I don't know. So you wanted to be a designer of clothing. But that sounds more impressive to your parents than like hemming, you know what I mean, or whatever. Draping. Yes.

It's a BBA. You have a minor in draping. Yeah, I have a minor in draping. I had some credentials. It actually was a fun, it was actually really cool. I didn't even really know what it was when I joined it. I just wanted to go to Parsons City, New York. And I was like, this could be interesting. But it's actually really good if you want to start your own business. It's a lot of like creative entrepreneur. It's like raising funding, like R&D, like a lot of like good the building blocks if you if you are like a entrepreneur good it seems like good good things to learn if you're an influencer like yourself totally i mean i forgot all of them but yeah i do think that of course so what era what era were you in new york where were you going what were you doing when you were a younger man like what was your nightlife oh my god scenario i feel like i went out all the time constantly well i was really gross when i first moved here and like I went to a lot of, you know, like Gilded Lily. That was like my scene. It was like a Gilded Lily, like up and down. I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sorry to hear that. You've come so far, Nicholas. You really have come so far. They weren't doing the London Fashion Awards at Gilded Lily. I'll tell you that. I miss it there. I loved it there. That was my club era. And then I progressed into Paul's Baby Grand and Casablanca and whatnot. And that was, I guess, a little more respectable in some eyes. It is a little more respectable. But I knew that you had a bottle rat face. I could see it now. I know. I always wanted to be a bottle girl. I was always so endless of them. You could still do it, I guess. I don't know. I'm not as skinny as I used to be. I was so skinny. I just was like cleaning up my closet, which is why everything is so crazy. And it's like I was going I had to have the moment where I was like, I'm not a size zero anymore. And like I never will be again. And these have to go to the real real. I think you look, I think you could be. Let's not. There's there's help out there. You can get help.

Okay, if it's really, you know what I mean? You can get help. There are people you can talk to. Okay, so you were a size zero? I was a size zero. I was like a size... You know that you're a man. You know that you're a man, right? So I was so small. Well, that's debatable, first of all. I'm so small that I did not, until I, shit you not, like two years ago, fit into men's pants. That's a small waist waist. Okay, can you give us the waist in inches? We don't know what zero means, all the fellas listening. I was a 24 inch, yeah. 24, like 24, 25? Damn. I know. What about the ass? The ass wasn't there. Like, there was no ass to be found. Yeah, I was about to say, if you're wearing a 24, you basically, you ain't, it's stick and bone. Stick and bone, baby. But I pulled still in a different way, and now I think I'm too fat. to pull in the same way that i did first of all you're what pull pull the jeans over your butt or pull no dick like men okay can you drop the waist size now it's like 28 30 honey yeah it's called it's called being a man and you've you hit puberty finally and this is what this is and i never agreed to it i don't like this nikki you can't go and too deep into the brian boy territory you know what i mean right do you want i mean i know you want to wear like women's phoebe filo desperately but i think it's probably better if you wear jeans and a north face we're saying a 28 inch waist as an adult man is still quite you should be proud of that really very difficult to pull off yeah to give you some to give you some context i mean you're talking to two guys that are in the 34 36 range which don't throw up my god that is enormous that really is But you are... You guys are freakishly tall humans. Yeah, but that doesn't... So it's more appropriate. It is more appropriate, but I think... Yeah, I don't think anyone would consider us fat, but if you were just going by, you know, wastes...

I think people consider... I mean, I consider me fat, but that's a personal issue. That's different, though. Oh, really? Do you want to talk about that? Well, I grew up fat, so I'm in recovery. Oh, my God. Those are like the best people, like the guys that used to be fat and then got really snatched. I mean, I think I still have a long way to go until... They're more generous in the bedroom, despite how hot they've become, right? Really snatched. Yeah, totally. They have an origin story. They have personality. That's why you're funny. I say all the time, it forces you to... I mean, I've said a lot of mean stuff to skinny people, but they can take it. They've been blessed by God, and I haven't. But people think that you're very funny, Nikki, but you were not fat, so your origin story was just like scary skinny? Skinny, yes. Which can go in a different way. How mean were you in high school? Were you considered a bully? No, I was... Well, actually, what city was this in, in Los Angeles, first? Paint me a picture. What city was this in? That's such a funny question. Not really. I grew up in Hancock Park. Oh, okay. He grew up tough, wrong side of the track. I've heard of the Inland Empire. I'm sorry to hear that. Pool or no pool? But wait for it. Pool or no pool, answer the question. Pool or no pool, answer the question. But let me tell you, I'll answer this first. don't worry about that i had to go to school in studio city uh what's the name of the school which private school did you go to The name of the school is Campbell Hall. Yeah, we're familiar with that. Oh, no, I had to go to the most prestigious private school in Los Angeles where every child actor in the history of the world and singer and famous person went. That's a tough slog. Listen, baby, when you're getting off the 101 on Ventura every day, it's not as glamorous as it sounds. You would pull up in your Pink 3 series at Campbell Hall, and then who are some of your classmates? You get bussed in from the hood into Campbell Hall. What was it like? Yeah, it was rough. I actually did take a school bus, though, for the record. That was kind of exciting. That was probably for a photo shoot, not for reals. The school bus for your water polo team? For Campbell Hall was a Mercedes Sprinter with TVs in it. It was really... What was your school uniform, and did you freak it?

My school uniform. So, you know, it was nice is that we had a dress code, not a uniform. So you could freak it a little bit. And then they gave us free dress Fridays. Free dress Friday. So you would really freak it on the Friday. Okay. It's you're in. Let's say you're in a junior in high school. It's free dress Friday. What is the fit? Like, what are we coming through in to really shut it down? Archival what? No, this is not. It's Abercrombie and fit. It's fucking gap. It was so awful. I don't actually even remember what it was. I went through a really sporty phase. I was wearing, like, a lot of, like... Actually, what was I wearing? I don't even remember. I've kind of blocked it out, and I've burned a lot of those photos. Were you shopping at, like, Kitson? Like, what... You know what I mean? Or were you going to... No. I don't think... You're not that old. You're still... Oh, yeah, you're not that old. You're what, like, 28? Something like that? I'm 28. Thank you. I'm 29. So thank you for going down. Oh, God. You're 29? Yeah. Yeah. Why? Because... Why is that damn it? Because. I just don't like it. I don't like that you're... Chris isn't older, guys. Yeah, I am. I like guys my own age or older just because they usually have more money in a nicer house. How old are you? 43. Oh, wow. Great. Nice answer. That's cool. That's nice. That's cool. That's great. That's cute. That's cute for you. Yeah, sorry. So we're moving from Hancock Park up to Campbell Hall. We're freaking it on Fridays. And then were you like, were you like a popular fashion-y kid that everyone loved or were you a little more? No, I was beloved and I was. Because you didn't have a fatty fat and you're beloved. No, I was beloved and everyone loved me and I was really popular. It was fun. It was like a fun, it was a fun way to grow up. I was kind of that person that was just like friends with everybody. I could like, I could mingle. I could mix and mingle. Were you gay yet or no? I was like gay, but in a way that we weren't really discussing until senior year. Okay, so you were out. So senior year, it was like, I'm out and fabulous now. It's my time? Yeah. Yes, I'm out and fabulous, and it is my time. But I wasn't really gay like that. I was like, you know, I was like more DL in a way. Yeah, you're really giving DL with a 24-inch waist, I got to say. That really screams DL to me. And I wore the skinniest jeans.

You had the rock star skinnies on. How did your parents take it? Was it a classic we know, sweetie? Or was it more of an emotional roller coaster? I would say it was a we know, sweetie. But there were emotional undertones, for sure. But it was like a we know, sweetie. I mean, my mom was always asking me, like, once a year, she'd be like, are you gay yet? And I was like, I don't want to talk about that right now. Like, can we talk about that right now? You know, I'll take up the trash, I guess. Yeah, exactly. So your mom is asking you every year if you're gay, your dad's in the garage, hitting the heavy bag, drinking beers about it. Correct. That was the vibe. And then my sister was just I don't even know where she was. And yeah, there's a lot of those guys in Hancock Park, Jason. You know, there's a lot of those guys. OK. OK. Wow. This is OK. Yeah. After after call it or I mean, after Campbell Hall, then you go to Parsons in New York City. begin your club rat phase, and then you started working Vogue, Tom Brown? Mm-hmm. That was the trajectory. What'd you do at Tom Brown? I did whatever they wanted me to. He got Matt Foley his coffee. I did. Made sure Kelly's nails were always done. I did whatever Kelly and Mr. Matthew wanted me to do. The thing is, I would also do whatever they told me to do with a smile, and have. basically for some reason i just yeah trust them i was deeply deeply intimidated i was like shake you know i was like what do you want because they were just like so hot and so tall and so like fierce and so thin they're really they're really hot but what i always tell what i always tell people what i always tell people about matt and kelly is that they're such a pleasure to be around and it's so nice and easy and it's because they they know how hot they are and they have to act accordingly because if you're that if you're if you're if you're blessed by god and you look like that yeah you're a dick people are like yeah he's a fucking dick if you're nice it's like oh my god this is the greatest thing i've ever witnessed that's correct you're smart and funny and cool and you look like that it's

It's power. It's real power. Yeah, they did not use their power for evil. They were actually really kind and lovely. Yeah, 100%. Everything was great. And when I started there, it was like there was no one really else there. It was not the team that they have now. It was a little more grassroots. So you were there before Chris was working with them even. I wonder if we crossed. It's crazy. We might have crossed paths at some point. You guys hold brothers? Were you around during? Were you around during the LeBron era? Yes, I was around during the LeBron era. I wonder how we, I wonder how, because we were going to Barcelona all the time to dress FC Barcelona. That was like a big thing that I worked on. And I would, I was in the office relatively often. That's so funny. I didn't realize. Will Uzi playing football? I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I threw a touchdown pass to Uzi. I don't want to, I mean, you know, I don't want to stunt. Did you? Yeah. I don't want to stunt. I mean, he's not a great athlete, but I'll never forget that Tom Brown football because his bodyguards were just laughing at him while he was trying to play football. They were like guys that clearly had played football at some level, and they were just laughing at him. It's fun for everyone. And he's a small little guy. He's a very little guy. Okay, so this makes more sense now because you sound like the perfect body type for the Tom Brown uniform, now that you're saying. I didn't have the height, but I had the petite frame. What size were you in Tom Brown? A one? A men's one? It was a men's baby. I think that was a little too big, and they did have to take it in. God bless. I know. I'm swimming in this one. And did you leave the taps on the shoes, or did you take them off? I'm pro-tap. I left them. Yeah, hell yeah. Real ones leave the taps. I left them. Real ones leave the taps. I like that. I love it. I think it's the way to be. Okay, so if your time at Tom Brown was so magical and awesome, why did you leave, and why have you not worked at any other fashion houses? I wanted to leave because I was more interested in the editorial side of things.

And so when I was there, then I went to Vogue and then I was like, this is interesting, but also not my vibe. And then I went to... cfda and then and then you know it was like i never went back to a brand but i i would i like working for i actually like working for a brand but you have to really deeply fuck with that brand otherwise it's yeah yeah yeah i think that's what's no i mean i think that's the thing about tom is that like everybody there is there because they want to be and it doesn't yes you know which is like a pretty rare where vogue i mean The beauty of Vogue is that no one there needs to be there financially, and that's why it's such a beautiful situation and one that I've always deeply respected. There's nothing better than hot people that don't need jobs busting their ass. Showing up for the love of the game. Because they just love it. Yeah, yeah. It's beautiful. It was a beautiful environment in that way. So you're currently a free agent. doing your own content, doing influencing, or is there something we don't know about? I'm a free agent, baby. You have several team members, though. You're not out here alone. I'm sure you have an assistant and a manager, agent. Well, now I do, yes. I have a manager and agent. I used to have a publicist. I sort of don't need them, so I kind of got rid of them. Do you have a cameraman? I have people that I hire to produce my show that I do. So when you're doing your popular videos, that's literally you in bed with the front-facing camera. Yeah. And then do you edit those? Me and that Alex are a light. Do you edit those yourself, or do you have somebody that edits them? I edit them myself. I've tried to outsource. I think it's a thing I just can't outsource it. It's like they never get my vision. And I have to do it. I have to do it myself. I'm so anal about that stuff. The timing is very specific, I'm sure. Yes, the timing is specific. That feels like a smart use of your time because that's still everyone's or most people's introduction to you. So you want to keep that as tight as possible. Yes, it feels like the thing that I can't really let anybody touch. But other things, I'm happy to be outsourced. The beauty, what I like of it is when I can tell that you're hungover.

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What about fancy places like the Canopy in Paris? Yeah. Hilton Honors, baby. Or relaxing sanctuaries like the Conrad and Tulum? Hilton Honors, baby. What about the five-star Waldorf Astoria in the Maldives? Are you going to do this for all 9,000 properties? When you want points that can take you anywhere, anytime, it matters where you stay. Hilton for the stay. I mean, because we're talking about an event that just happened last night. A lot of times you were there or at the after party for it. I think it's better. We like consuming that content when we're hungover ourselves. Oh, really? That's funny. I feel like I would have a voice that would not be maybe conductive to hangover. It absolutely kills my nerves, but I can't get enough of the information. I can't help myself. I'm a junkie. That's beautiful. Thank you for saying that. It's a nice thing to say. What's your drink of choice, Nicky? Anything with tequila. Okay. I lately have been doing a tequila on the rocks with a little bit of lime juice. That's very size zero behavior. That's very size zero behavior. Well, the calories in a margarita. Don't even look into that. Don't worry. I don't look into calories. That's part of my journey. Okay, got it. Okay, so now that the videos are gaining popularity, you're doing other video-related content, you and other celebs and fashion people are criticizing other people's looks, follower accounts growing and growing, do you think you're going to hit a point where you get too big to be able to say mean things about other people? No, I don't think so. Who's confronted you? I know somebody's confronted you. I wouldn't say a lot of people have confronted me, actually. You're telling me Lupita Nyong'o hasn't kind of taken you to the corner and been like, bitch, what, what? What did you say, bitch? I'm Lupita. You don't understand what you're dealing with. I swear to fucking God. I met Lupita. She was really lovely. No, I think because I think honestly, even though you're being mean is not the word I would use. I feel like I don't know. I feel like people generally have a sense of humor, especially if it's about clothes or I would like them to if they're rich and famous, at least. Yes, I think that they do. I mean, there's like funny sometimes. Yeah, everyone's been pretty like.

pretty easygoing and playful about it i mean there was one time when i was at the i was uh i was at that armani party that they do for the oscars the day before which is like very star-studded and i was there and i was like walking out and walking in was that actress um isa gonzalez and she like made a beeline for me she was like i know you like I'm going to the Oscars tomorrow. You better not say some shit about me. She got very fierce and fiery. And I was like, okay, whatever. And I was like, okay. That was actually maybe the first time someone could find me. But then I saw her the next day at some after party. And I was so nervous. I was like, hi, what are you? Because I all came so fast. I'm like, what are you talking about? I love you. I love everything you do. And I love everything you're wearing. And I love your music and your film. You know, like I'm so fake. And she was like, I'm looking at the IG right now. She's a she is. She's bad. One of the hottest women alive. But she was totally like actually joking and like now we're friends. And she was like, oh, I love you. I love what you do. But the clothes could be bad, though. Clothes could be better. Yeah, the clothes. Not to. Yeah, you can. I'll let you say that. I think that celebrities, unfortunately, and we forget this, at least with actors in my. personal experience or opinion they're not cool like they don't care about clothes really that's not like they wear whatever somebody hands they're like geeks that were in drama and they're forced to put on a gown because they have to sell the thing they care about it's not what they want to do i think i think some musicians have like an actual passion for it and like it yeah there's actors of course that do but i think it is like we forget that this is not it's become such a sort of industry in itself i'm like these people don't want to do this they'd much rather be at home fucking watching netflix like everybody else but they have to go whore themselves out i know i think they hate it i really do think they hate it yeah it sucks and like they have to do so much more and everything's on like such higher visibility scales now like the scale of everything has been so crazy i mean it's like you do one movie and now you have to do like a premiere in like 10 different cities

yeah and it's like i mean they probably fucking that's what the money's for that's what the money's for yeah i mean fashion pays a lot of their bills you know so it's like i think they kind of just swallow it ultimately yeah johnny depp's not really getting a lot of acting gigs lately but that sauvage paper is hitting big selling baby selling crazy he must really sell sauvage because that is a i mean Oh, my God. I don't. I think it's like one of the best performing fragrances. It is, but I've never smelled Sauvage. I mean, I guess I walk through Duty Free a lot, so I guess I'm getting a nose full by accident. You've gotten a whiff unwillingly. I've never tried to smell Sauvage, I'll say. Let me put it that way. Well, no. No one with taste would go out of their way to try that. You know what I mean? It's just so funny that. Maybe you don't understand the Sauvage. Fragrance world makes a fortune. It's a huge business, and it's like. The big one, like when we were kids, like Jason and I, it was like Polo was it. You had Polo Sport, basically, and you had Polo. And those were the two fragrances. Yeah, Acqua De Gio and Cool Water as well. Yeah, Cool Water is a big one. But now it feels like there's just, there's too many. And there's all these nerds that are in, being these dorks that are like deep into fragrance kills me. It's hilarious to me. It's a really interesting industry. I was like, before I was doing this, I was actually working for Estee Lauder. And I was, I dabbled in the fragrance world. and i was like oh my god this is so different than fashion and i have like no idea what i'm doing but there's so much money swirling around there but it really is just also like all marketing like you have to like spend big or else you're not gonna really make it because with the ads are always so competition now i feel like the ads historically are corny so people still make yeah you make you make natalie portman look bad you know what i mean it's like impossible to do it's like you make it so corny but i guess i mean

Whatever. I guess it works. What do I know? I know. I mean, they're not really like, you know, once you're in those infrastructures of like the L'Oreal, the Estee Lauder. Shit's just got to get done. Yeah, shit's got to get done. They're on crazy different timelines. And a lot of times there is no overlap between like the fashion, you know, which fashion does. Yeah, it's two different. Creative so beautifully. And they like don't. Two different departments. Yeah. When did you get to, when did you quit your job? When did you know it was time to be a star? What happened? What check cleared where you're like, all right, bitch, I'm out. It was only like maybe nine months ago. It was in February. I was at my job and I had this deal from like, oh, I think it was Neiman Marcus. And they wanted me to be like their correspondent. And so they were like, we would want you to go to like every city, you know, go to shows and interview people. Like, what are you wearing? You know, the whole thing. And then I was like, okay, that could be cool. And it was like just enough money where I was like, maybe this is like, you know, hold me over for like. two months or something like that i was like that seems like a lot of money compared to like what i was making so then i was like maybe i should do this and then i called my mom she was like are you fucking crazy i was like i don't know it just seems like a good idea and then i i told my boss and i was like i think i have to quit to do this and it's like are you sure everyone's like are you sure and i was like yeah i just feel like there's something here and then you bet on yourself and that's why you're sitting here talking to us on how long gone today well period exactly i've made a baby but it was so crazy because i remember like being like I hope I could pay my bill. My parents were like, we're not going to bail you out. You know what I mean? Just like, no, we're not going to bail you out, whatever. I was like, okay, well, am I asking to? Like, shut the fuck up. And then, and I literally, I mean, I was like, I hope another job comes through. And like that month, I made like my salary within like one month. And I was like, okay, I think we're fine. You're going to give aspiring influencers false hope. Just so you understand, most people, that's not how it works. Most people, that's not how it goes.

You think so? Definitely. Hell no. You know how many people want to be influencers and how many people make a living wage at influencing? That is so dark. That is so dark to think about. I would say more people than should make a living off of it based on what I see. Yeah. But, you know, not everybody. Well, like Nikki said before, you know, it really depends on what their face looks like. That is a large part of it. You know, talent is, you know, take it or give it. I think the way you look and how hard you work, and you can really get there. So you're saying I'm really gorgeous. I'm saying you're a hardworking baddie with no talent, and that's why you're talking to us today. That is so true. That's so nice. So now that you're living this fashion jet-set lifestyle, you're in Milan, you're in Paris, you're in L.A., you're rubbing elbows with Hollywood greats. Yes. what are you buying? Because I feel like you must be, I know you're getting more for free, but that also means you're more inclined to cop. That is such a great question and I would love to answer it. And you know what's funny? It's like I've become this person. I don't know what happened to me. And I do, I mean, I always have felt like an elderly white woman like on the inside, but I really have become like a Thoreau fanatic. I wonder what the difference was. Could it be the hundreds of thousands of dollars that you are making now compared to 10 years ago? That is so crazy. I know. Okay, so you're going Jennifer Lawrence, Harry Styles mode. A little bit. When I catch you in the streets, what do I mean? Okay, for the row, sorry to interrupt, Chris. What percentage male and what percentage female from the row collection are you wearing? Oh, so I don't know. I mean, I never really look at that. I think it's probably 50-50. Okay, all right. All right, they, them. Calm down. All right. But you know what side the buttons are on, though, right? You know what side the zipper's pulling? It's on different floors at the store, also. I just want to be clear. Men's is all the way at the top. So if you go three flights up. And the women's mannequins, they got titties, and the men's don't. But otherwise. But, I mean, you make a good point. I try on at store, but I don't.

usually buy at the store. Because you're using your MyTeresa discount at home? I know the scams, bro. I know how these fucking people operate. Okay, so you're keeping brick and mortar dead by you go in there, you use it as a free place to try the clothes on, take a picture in the beautiful lighting, and then go online and buy it for $100 less. 100%. 100%. Well, the $100, you know, the 10% off can really make a difference sometimes, you know? 10% of $3,400 is a decent little chunk of change, isn't it? If I go in a store and I like something and I try it on and they help me try it on, I can't go buy it on the internet. I have to buy it there. White guilt, we gotta buy it. I don't have any of that. Maybe it's because I worked retail and I respect the craft. And if somebody's good at it, I want them to get the commission. Right. So what does good at it mean? At this point, the ceiling is on the floor at this point. Just being relatively not following me around like a criminal, no iPad in sight, and not suggesting things that are clearly 40 times more expensive than the items I'm actually looking at. You know what I mean? You can tell when the salesperson is cool and gets it. They're not trying to push you. They're just trying to let you do your thing. Glass of bubbles. Because of how I look, I think there could be some confusion on my knowledge level, depending on the place that I'm in. Chris likes that. Sometimes I can get spoken down to, which is... nice because it makes me until he pulls out his chrome hearts wallet and everyone gasps they're just like i just i feel like a while i had an experience at phoebe philo where i was like i was i got mad because the guy mansplained buying to me and then i realized that it was just because he thought i was some like upper east side rich guy And I was like, well, that's a compliment, actually. You know, I reframed it. That's nice that you present that way. I know. I know. Because sometimes people tell me I present much differently than that. So I'm glad to hear that. Yeah. I mean, you could go either way with you depending on what you're wearing. Either way in what sense? I look gay or I don't? That's not what I was going to say. So maybe we should unpack that. But that's where your mind went. One part Upper East Side rich guy who doesn't know about clothes. And then one part downtown.

poor guy who can't afford these clothes i was gonna say rich and poor rich and poor is fine i mean i would i love that because i'm much much closer to poor and i would like to stay that way because i'm afraid of what would happen i'm afraid of what would happen i don't want to turn into a nicky you know what i mean abusing salespeople i have i know listen i have i have become such a monster so fast it's really just kind of disturbing i can't like deep down you knew this was going to happen though right i i might have yeah I think I might have. Everything has become so ridiculous. I'm like, I can't even step into the gym now if it's like not with my trainer. You know what I mean? I'm like, I don't know what to do. I feel like you're like the way when I walk down the street with Kareem, it's like I'm walking down the street with a former president. Like people cannot, like it's insane. People are trying to get pictures, trying to shake his hand. Oh, really? Yeah, I feel like you're getting ready. I feel like in certain circles, you're having to. to do a lot of cameo-style content. Yeah, what types of locations are the most hot for you? Where are you getting recognized? Which Equinox is it? Not the steam room. I'm talking regular stuff. On the floor. Whoa, Jason. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I need you on the floor. I will say it's kind of everywhere. Oh, this guy. All right. All right. It's actually fucking everywhere. It's actually, I can't go fucking anytime. Okay. But people, do they want you? Do they just want to say hi or do they want the flick? I hate the flick. Because I'm never prepared. I'm never prepared for that. I don't have photo approval. And that's what they care about the most. Yeah. It gives them the most social currency. Yeah. See, if I was a fan, I would want you to read me down IRL. Read me down. Which is obviously more pressure and even worse than a photo. But I need you to show me your skills to make sure they're real. Oh, right, right. I know. I do get a lot of that. And that I don't love.

Because I'm like, I am somewhat of a nice person, so it's not like, you know, when I see someone that's wearing something horrible, I want to just be like, you look like shit, you know? Of course not. A stranger doesn't need your... Yeah. It doesn't need that. I agree. They want it then. I don't think they really want that. Yeah, but if they're like, read me down, read me down, and you're like, you could lose 20. It doesn't feel good saying that to someone's face. Actually, your shirt's beautiful, but you could definitely lose weight if that's what you're... That's exactly what I'm looking for, I'm sure. Those pants fit you perfectly, but they could be smaller, if you know what I mean. No notes except for you're really fat. Yeah, exactly. Speaking of people who are not fat, but maybe you do have notes on, I wanted to discuss, I sent you a message earlier, Jack Antonoff's... um heather hoodie on the red carpet best he's ever looked it's best he's ever is right you said okay let me hold on hold on hold on okay your your quote there's a photo of him you can pull it up it's from an awards show uh variety hit makers event these fake award shows are paying nicky's bills i'll tell you what they come on a new fake award show he gets a call he's loving it nicky says can't sleep too busy thinking about this jack antonoff fit And so you can't really tell, is it good? Is it bad? Is it a subversive statement on the culture of red carpet dressing and quiet luxury? Is it full of the row or J.Crew? Was it strategically styled or did he just roll out of bed? We need answers. I haven't gotten any. So everyone can pull that up. I haven't gotten any answers, but I would still like some because I think it was kind of brilliant. and genius i don't think the row i don't think the row makes a hooded sweatshirt i think the pants are the row i think is he wearing those eel loafers that we got to retire we got to retire the eel loafers shut up i just bought a pair they're great wow i expect more from you you're there you're five years late are the loafers deal i can't tell they look kind of right i think they're timeless i think they're timeless see i actually disagree i think i think because of the

the like rouging around the edge they're not timeless that's my issue with them yeah i tried the ones that are regular leather but i don't know they're just a little too they're a little too flat for me i like a little more structure it was the bottom half of that look was giving the row that sweatshirt was that sweatshirt also could have been vintage it could have been vintage it had a it had a nice quality to it that that felt worn if you want me to find out i can i'm gonna ask patricia i'll find out can you i really need to know So do you like the look overall? I think I love it, actually. Okay. I think I love it. And you're a great person to talk this about. I think that, like, men should stop experimenting. Like, I don't think men should be. Like, I don't think straight men. With clothing. With clothing. With clothing. Right. Well, thank you. Like, I think Jack Antonoff looked. great in in some pants and a sweatshirt because that's what men should be wearing not some weird cropped boxy suit that's like nobody looks good in this shit all right all right joe rogan all right not uh not scars guard wearing patent leather thigh highs are you not into that yeah like i know you put you no i know you put ronson in the thigh highs and i need to talk to him about that because that's that feels like elder abuse on your part that feels like that feels like you put you put Mark Ronson is one of our best-looking male celebrities that has held it down for decades, wearing fucking jeans and T-shirts and fucking North Face jackets. Yeah, we want him. playing mary j blige songs not dressing like mary j blige okay i love i and mark mark looks great in a who looks better in a tuxedo than mark ronson you got him out here gay baiting in a way that it feels predatory honestly it feels predatory well i will say it feels predatory okay i have awakened something within the gay community and mark ronson my dms are now just like i get at least five a day that's like is mark ronson gay is mark ronson gay i'm like first of all you can google him and see that he has a wife and children But also, I'm like, relax. They're so feral. They're so feral. They're so feral. They're like, this man, hold on. This guy looks like that. His hair looks like that. And he knows Lady Gaga? I'm trying to fuck. That's it.

It really is that he works with every pop star. He can text Lady Gaga? Hold the fuck on. Yeah, hold on. Well, yeah, once the impossible becomes possible, everyone gets feral, you know what I mean? Because him potentially turning is life-altering news for the gay community. You can't be doing that to him. Because you put him in those boots, and I appreciate that Mark is down to clown and letting you do your thing and you're having fun. Down, yeah. But if I had something to do and you tried to put me in those boots, I'd be like, all right, that's it. We're done. We're done here. What? Oh, you're going to hate what we have planned. I actually just had a fitting with him today because he has some fun little... He's, like, weirdly, like, he's too booked, actually. He needs to take a break. But we have some awards season fun things coming up, and it is going to be so diabolical. You're going to hate it. I will say, though, I will say that when you guys went through, when you guys on your podcast and you went through all of his looks over the years and critiqued him to his face, I have to say that was some of the better content I've seen. Because he was such a good sport about it and so funny about it. And you were just like. You were just shocked by everything. You just couldn't believe that he wore it. And it's like, yeah, I had a Beatles haircut and a skinny double-breasted blue suit with Amy Winehouse. Like, what do you want me to do? I was shocked. I did not recognize his game, you know, at the time. I was like, oh, shit, you're, like, fucking crazy. Like, you're going for it. Well, there's also... That time, I feel like there was less guys that were going for it. I think every guy is going for it now, you know? Yes. That's what I mean. That's what the problem is. Yes. Alexander Skarsgård gay baiting for six months for this movie that will not win an Oscar. There's a clip of him on Graham Norton where an older British woman that was on the panel with him was like, are you gay? And he was like, well, not really. It's like, dude, you're not gay. You can't say not really. Oh, is he gay? You can't just giggle to yourself.

and say no comment that's unfair to me that's disrespectful to my community that's dirty baiting that's dirty baiting i don't know i shan't stand for it i could see him being bi though that's bi is not a real thing and you know that that is not you know that's not we don't you know we don't do that like you're either not bi but like he would let someone suck it you know what i mean well that's that's just regular that's different that's not that's not oh okay yeah that's different Because in the gay community, you guys have a popular phrase, a hole is a hole. And straight people, we don't really. That's correct. We don't really subscribe to that in the same way. I know. What an interesting way to live your life. Yeah. Positively. It's hard out here, bro. You don't know what we go through. We get to run all the biggest corporations in the country, but we can't go into a bathroom and all of a sudden leave. Okay. On this topic, Nicholas, in your heart of hearts. Is Seth Meyers a top or a bottom? Oh, my God. Do not. I'm going to break out into sweat. I love him so much. He is like a he is what we call a soft top. Say more. So you're saying he's making love to you. He's not putting it down. Yes. You know, so a dom top is like, you know, they walk and they want you like ass up, face down, rail you, leave. Yeah. He would be like a sleek kind of thought. He wants to make love. Are you okay? I brought bagels. Something like that. He's so hot. That's so my title. And a juice press for me and a juice press for you. I feel like Seth Meyers is... You liking Seth Meyers is very I went to Campbell Hall coded. I feel like that's a guy that you went to high school with. What does that fucking mean? How does Seth Meyers become your number one of all the dick in the world? What's going on? I don't know. He's not a bad looking guy. Good looking guy. Smart, funny. He's great. Yeah, he's one of the best to do that job. He doesn't really appeal on, appear on a lot of, you know. No, I think that's why I like him. I like a guy that's a little nerdy and a little like, he's, he's fun. It's, it's.

It's a sense of humor that really does get me. He's funny. He can hang. He has confidence in his sense of humor, I think. Are any of these top gays in your DMs? Has your dating life opened up into a new portal because of your popularity? Top gay. I do. I don't know. I don't know what stroke you just had. I was going British for you. Sorry. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I got it. Okay. I'm putting it together now. Yeah, it has. There's definitely a lot of things going on in DMs, but it's also not because I'm not in one place for more than a week, and that's not super conductive to anything. I think when I said dating, you know what I meant. So don't act like a week is not long enough. I think that's conductive to 18 minutes of dumb topping. Yeah. It seems like it works out pretty darn well. Yeah. While you're waiting for the door dash to hit. You're right. So then in your context, Absolutely, it's going great. But in terms of long-time love and companionship, it's a little more difficult. It has never been worse. I think that's also why I need to leave New York. Aren't you married? Are you married, right? Are you both married? Yeah, we're both married, yeah. Ew, that is so annoying. I've had a dollar every time a gay guy told me that. Yeah, that's, yeah. Trust me, women don't say that. Oh, my God. That pisses me off so much. What do you, okay. Well, I'm sorry that we, I'm sorry to hear that. Why, can you say why? Why? I don't like to see other people happy. Okay. I appreciate your, I appreciate your honesty, and I think that that is coming from a real place. Coolest thing that you said this whole hour. I know, it is. It's so crazy. How did you find it? What are the steps? I just don't get it. You know what I mean? I don't get it. I think your current lifestyle is probably not conducive to it, but maybe one day when you settle down and you have your own content farm. Right. But then when is that going to be? You know what I mean? When is that going to be? You're going to be 37. Give it eight years. Yeah. Something like that. I would rather fucking swallow a knife than wait until I'm 37. Well, I mean, you could be...

If you weren't so busy doing a zillion things, bopping all over the world, city to city, it would be sooner. But you're going to have to meet a lot of people that you don't like, figure out what you don't like, and then one day one person's going to be like, oh, I could hang out with this person forever. I would rather hang out with them than be alone, and then you're good. Okay. You probably know gay people, too. Yeah, I know a lot of gay people, and the reason they're able to be in beautiful long-term relationships is because they can also fuck whoever they want whenever they want. So it seems to be a fine thing. I think you're going to be okay in that sense. I know. You know what? I just don't know if I could do that because I'm a Gemini. I would go crazy so fast and in such an intense, aggressive way. Crazy on what? I don't think you have a choice. I don't think your community gives you a choice. I know. You're kind of right. And that's on you, not on us. Not to gay-splain it. Do the work, Mama. Do the work. We can't help you here. I know. We can only do so much for you. We can only do so much for you. I know. When is the last time that you flew Coach? You know what? Last year, it's been a year, it was awful. When you do fly Coach, are you wearing a full disguise? Yes. absolutely but no i'm actually gonna do it i'm gonna do it soon but what to go back to your root not even your roots but to feel something nope i'm going because i'm going to my i'm going to miami in like two weeks and like it just isn't it's a short flight for like a two-hour flight i'm like okay we can't Yeah, but then the upgrade's $200. Just do it, bitch. Come on. Exactly. No, I agree with you. Anything that I don't have to sleep, it's not worth the money. If I don't have to sleep, if I don't need to wake up and do something, I think it's totally fine. If you need to fly first class from New York to Miami, you have a problem. Right, and I don't have a problem. You definitely have a problem, and that's why we're going to check in after this and see what you do. Okay, so what is the airplane airport?

outfit look in disguise i big apple headphones hood sunglasses what's going on it's a whole yes yes all of it all of it i do like to travel like i'm incognito because i will say the worst place to get recognized is an airport it's just object objectively upsetting nowhere to run to nowhere to hide nowhere to run to nowhere to hide i would say it's like a it's like a hoodie black baseball cap sunglasses The headphones are on and I do some sort of like an elevated, you know, sweatsuits elevated. Although I started now doing like, you know, I'll wear a jean and then I'll bring like a, like a, you know, like a cashmere sort of like. pant that i change into okay that's it that's that's too that's too diva mode people this is my flying pant people who change into the fucking pajamas on i'm like dude relax where so the the whales bonner track pants aren't enough you have to go cashmere i love the cashmere it just feels so nice yeah of course cashmere pants the cashmere pen no cashmere pants are too soft Sweaters only. That is such a horrible take. I don't need hard pants, but I don't want pants that soft. We're too straight to wear cashmere pants. Yeah, that's just too far. Do you feel like that's a gay thing? It's like Travis Kelsey. It's beyond gay. Who would wear cashmere pants? No, it's not gay. It's like rich mom that veers into gay. No, I'm talking about for males. Obviously, women wearing it's a different story. The rules are different. Some people would say that. I'm a woman. See, that's the thing. You don't hate me that, actually. That's what's funny about you. I don't feel that at all from you. That's so nice. Thank you for saying that. You're mass presenting. I don't feel that way either, actually. Also, because of your relationship with Jacob, and I saw you at the Hanover party on Friday hanging out with all the bros, that takes a certain skill. You couldn't do that. I don't know. It requires something that some people don't have that you do. I have an enormous amount of straight. guy friends i know it's it's cool it's a it's powerful yeah that's my boy you know we went we met when i was like playing so i was like i used to be friends with mostly boys actually because i was like really i thought i was going to be like professional soccer player that was like my journey before all of this growing up so that time at jacob we were playing soccer together soccer together oh that's that's that's really fun all right so do you still hit the pickup game with the fellows i don't i don't have i don't do that anymore because

I'm not interested in playing for... I either want to go to the Olympics or nothing. I don't think sports are a good hobby, actually. Well, we can get that 28-30 waist down to a 24-26, mama. Real quick. Let's go messy. Three months on the pitch. Watch your fucking mouth, baby. I'm doing 12-3-30 like nobody's tomorrow these days. Me too, sweetie. Let's walk. I'm going to go do 12-3-30 as soon as we get off this fucking podcast. It really works. Could you guys explain what that is to our listeners at home, please? It's when you walk on an incline 12 speed 3 for 30 minutes. It's an Instagram, it's a workout for women that became popular on Instagram. And it works. And Chris, you do it every time. I do it every day, yeah. I just like, I like being actually sweaty before I start lifting weights. Yes. Like, I like to be, like, actually warmed up, which I think is the easiest, like, low-impact way to do that. And look at you now. You're withering away. I can't even see you. That's that Tokyo sunshine coming in from the right. You guys, honestly, this is beautiful. I podcasted with you guys while the sun was rising over Tokyo. I have to say, it was poetic. I have no interest in that, but it does sound nice. Well, look, if I could do my job from bed, I would, but some of us got to get up and we got to plug our damn microphones in, okay? Your journey is boring to me, but I'm happy for you, Chris. We can't all be Alex, Earl, bitch, okay? And don't forget it. All right, Nikki. That's on the vision board. We're all done here. Is there anything that you want to announce? Any new stuff in the works? Any big things you want to announce or just business as usual? I have nothing going on. I'm going to Miami. That's going to be fun. This is just for a holiday. What brand? This is for a holiday. I have to shut your mouth. The brand is New Year's. And it's going to be really exciting for me. You're going to Miami for New Year's? Yeah, I've never done that before. It could have to go really great or really horribly. Bro, no, that's terrifying. What's your itinerary? I don't have one. Actually, I have one thing on my itinerary is carbone. No, that's a great. I just went in Vegas and it slapped. It was so good. I just, they're everywhere. It's so exhausting.

But I do love them. I can't help it. Okay, so you're going to get on a plane and go to Carbone, a restaurant that you could go to tonight. I know. Shout out Kate Bailey. We're going to set you up down there. We'll set you up down there in Miami, okay? I feel like that feels appropriate. I mean, to be fair. You approve of that. Okay, great. I approve of it from a funny standpoint, yes. I would like you to have something a little more local and a little more of the people and the culture, something a little Cuban, South American flavor. No, I don't like that. Jason, we've talked to him for an hour. Do you think he's – yeah, I was about to say we've talked to him for an hour. He does not want to do that. He's like, all right, you get off the plane and you're like sugar fish to the hotel delivery. Oh, my God. I do that all the time. Yeah, he's going to pasties and sugar fish. My kind of guy right there. My kind of guy right there. All right. Nikki, thanks for joining us. Have a wonderful holiday season. Hopefully we'll see you soon. Of course. You too. I hope so too. Was this helpful for you? Did you get what you needed? We got everything we needed, Mr. Campbell. Very helpful for us, yeah. I feel it was very helpful. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you so much for your time. I'm honored. Thank you so much. I love you both. All right. We'll see you later. Bye. Stitch Fix. Stop shopping. Get styled. Not today, sweatpants. Somebody's wearing jeans that fit. Wow! No photos, please. I'm just a regular dad who happens to have a stylist. I really look my best when someone else makes the decisions. Hey, we can all see you two-way mirrors. Just share your size, style, and budget, and your stylist sends personalized looks right to your door. Stitch Fix. Get started today at stitchfix.com. I want to hug you. I'm going to hug you.

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