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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube how long gone how long gone DJ Chris Black here with Them Jeans. They Them Jeans. How's it going over there, big dog? It's feeling kind of serene and moody today, actually. Oh. That's how I describe you when people ask me, what's he really like? What do you mean by moody? Because the sun is shining. It's groundhog's day where I'm at. Is it different in the suburbs? It's been overcast this morning. I don't know. My girlfriend and I were on our dog walk this morning, and she was just saying, it just feels kind of moody. And I was like, what does that really mean? I'm always in some kind of mood, but does that mean you're... You're oscillating wildly between different moods. I think it means downtrodden. I think maybe Carolyn was listening to Taking Back Sunday in her AirPods, unbeknownst to you. Yeah, it does have a negative connotation to it. Usually you're not like, I just took a fistful of... I just took two Philip Klein double stacks and I'm feeling a little moody. Those moods happen to be sheer ecstasy, joy, and togetherness. You don't really hear that too often. No, you don't really hear that. And I know you were together with two dogs that some people think are human, but that's not like a nice group of people raving. No, I don't know what it is. We're going to go on vacay pretty soon and you always kind of get in that mind. Don't remind me. I know, I know. But you get in the mindset of like...

all right it's coming up it's in it's in a month i gotta start doing the stuff that you do a month out and it's three weeks out and i gotta make sure there's just so many little things and i'm trying to figure out a way to enjoy it i'm just always trying to find a way to be like uh Everyone else in the world who can enjoy a vacation. Let me tell you something, Jason. This search is going to lead you to nothing. And I suggest giving up like I did a long time ago. Yeah, but I think giving up is... is a solution that requires a lot of work. It's not just something that you can just declare like I've given up and that means I'm going to have fun and be happy. All I'm doing is focusing on my Delta upgrade certificates and how those can be applied across different countries, domestic, et cetera, et cetera. So I'm kind of – I'm going into logistics zone, which is not my strong suit, but it's the only thing I can focus on because like 100-degree weather in an Italian city where they only serve pasta and the instructor smokes a cigarette at Barry's is not – That part sounds kind of cool. It's cool until you're on the treadmill next to him or her. But, yeah, I think you need to focus on – What you can control. So you turn into a points guy. As a means of coping. Yeah, yeah. It's just like, all right, how many upgrades can I engineer? This is the time to use all this shit that I never use. This is the time to stunt. You're going to cash in all your chips. I'm going to call the Delta Diamond Medallion 1888 number and just pray that it's not a two-hour wait and see what I can do. I actually had a question about that. There's a special phone number. Sure, I'd be happy to answer any of your questions. Sure, yeah. When they have a separate phone number for people of a certain level of status that plebs cannot access.

Well, what? I have a theory that it may all be the same number. You know what I mean? I have a theory that the numbers are actually different, but they might funnel into the same call center. Right, right, right. Okay. Maybe there's priority, but I feel like it could just be a feeling that they evoke through messaging. It's called marketing. So check it out. This is not marketing. So whenever the phone call comes in, There's just like a sign on the door, like gone to lunch type of sign, and then the same person who just answered a regular person's call. When you call, they just change the sign over to Delta One, but it's the same thing, same service, same everything. I'd like to think that they have a separate group of people, the people who are just at the top of their game, the valedictorians. Graduated Delta with honors. The valedictorian is the one working in a call center in Austin. The average call center for an airline, you're not going to get great stuff on the other end of that phone call. But everyone has that VIP level of service. I like to think that there is a separate call center. that has very good air conditioning and very good snacks, and they take good care. These people make $300,000 a year to help people like you. They pay fair wages, and they are given a delicious pita chip whenever they feel like it. It's probably a nice working environment. They do get a parking spot, which is pretty nice. Stuff like that. Let's say I'm Pharrell, and I'm having trouble out of Dulles. I feel like I should be, if I'm the CEO of Delta, I want Pharrell to talk to not just any old person. I want to make sure that they're routed. Yeah, I think Pharrell has figured it out. Don't say private. Pharrell has not flown on a regular plane in 10 years minimum, is my guess. Partly because he doesn't want to be seen in public in Cactus Plant Flea Market, but also because he's kind of got places to go, people to see.

Part of his kind of skin care routine, he's not really allowed to be around circulated air of people of that tax bracket. He's not doing any layovers in Tucson. That's for fucking sure. I wanted to, and impending doom vacations aside, I was set off today, Jason, by a story that I sent you. Okay, you sent me a good amount of stories. Can you be more specific? Not the really cool one from 1998 about how to hook up at a hardcore festival. That's special, and that's just for us. But no, there's a story on the New York Times today, an interactive story about comedians' relationship to water on stage. And there's nothing, I feel like that... that surmises how long gone more than your hatred for water and my hatred for comedy. It's come together in this beautiful editorial package from our friends of the New York Times. I just wanted to read a quick excerpt. In his recent special, 23 Hours to Kill, he places an elegant glass next to a sleek, label-less bottle of water with a flat top. It looks like something James Bond might drink. They're talking about Jerry Seinfeld. That passage, along with many others in this story, made me want to put my head through a wall. It just feels like there's really nothing here. The term slow news day does not do this slow news any justice. It's just, it's just, it's just, it's just like absolutely unnecessary, unnecessary levels of, of fetishizing and intellectualizing something that does not matter. I would expect this out of something like the Oregonian, but not the time. It's just, it's just like, I don't give a shit what Hasan Minhaj drinks. And if I'm an editor of the New York Times, I'm going to be like, all right, this is an interesting story. Tell me why, you know, what's the hook? What's going to make me read this and be like, oh, I learned something very interesting. But instead it was like, here are four different comedians. Some people drink water like this. Some people drink water like this. Some people have bottles. Some people have glass.

And you're like, all right, boss, that's it. Where do I send the invoice? This is a sick-ass story. It's a dollar per word for print? Where are we at now, guys? When you're done picking your job off the floor, you can go ahead and send that Zelle through. Comedy is so awful. And this level of putting it under the microscope and taking it to a level it doesn't need to be taken to is just unreal. Reading this was worse than watching the Dave Chappelle fucking school speech. I can't. I know I have a lot of time to waste, but I feel like even I'm getting to the end of my road. I guess it is a little bit of a sign of the times when you would think, like, okay, I'm like a journeyman stand-up comedian. I make a pretty good living, got a couple specials. I've been on HBO a couple times. And let's say it's 1985, and your manager goes, hey, the New York Times wants to interview you for a story about stage presence and things like that. And you're like, cool. And now in 2022, you're like, hey, the New York Times wants to interview you about this. And they're like, about what? And you're like, water bottles? And then... You know, like if I'm the editor at the Times, I'm going to say like, all right, this is an interesting story. Which of these comedians did you speak with to get there? You know what? And they're like, oh, none of them answered my phone call at all. And like, we're the New York Times and we can't get a fucking stand up comedian to do a five minute interview. No, it's because there's nothing to talk about. There's nothing to talk about. In the leather special from 2017, Amy Schumer strides on stage holding a bottle of wine, which she places on a stool. When her hour is finished, she takes the wine with her. That's a real passage from this story. Bro, that's what I did on tour every single night. Yeah, yeah. And not a single person noticed it, cared about it, thought of it. They're like, okay, we're in a venue that has a bar, and the person is drinking a drink from the bar. Oh, fuck. Are you serious? This is just too lit for words. I'm talking for an hour, and then I get thirsty.

And I take a sip. That's the story. That awful New York Times interactive story did freeze my computer. So I apologize, Jason. So, yeah, while we were doing this interview, the paper of record gods. froze your macbook didn't they oh god what are we gonna do jason what are we gonna do anyway i'll keep surfing the internet to find stuff that makes me mad and jason will probably do the same um and that's kind of what this show is all about thank god we we have a we have a guest coming up in a minute we could i wanted to talk to you about another thing that you might you may hate the heather gray tea oh disgusting worst color because our guest you know i'm sure he owns one or two Heather Tease. He might own a great T. Our guests say is Sam Buck, America's Next Gay Country Singer, self-proclaimed, and I would tend to agree. His Out of Control EP is out tomorrow, actually. He's going up against Beyonce and Maggie Rogers, so God bless Sam. But he's opening for a friend of the show. The Rost Man. Master of the Kitchen, Rostom, on some West Coast dates, kicking off August 2nd in Seattle at Numos. Nemo? I can't ever say that right. Nemo. But I'm going to miss him because I'm going to be out of town. But they're hitting Seattle, Portland, L.A., Palm Springs, and San Diego. Nothing is gayer than a tour date in Palm Springs. Come on. Who the fuck? There's no one in Palm Springs. Are you kidding me? Hopefully they have some time for some bad food and a sunburn down there. God bless. But let's give Mr. Buck a jingle and see what's going on in his country cottage in Santa Monica. Oh, damn. I didn't even have to talk. I just sit here and giggle. All I have to do when I edit is just make sure I just have to cut some of the giggles out. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web. So do our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues. Obviously. Maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world, writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly. A website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded.

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painter musician. Being a painter is not embarrassing, bro. I think being a painter is perhaps one of the most embarrassing things you could say that you are. It depends on what kind of car you drive from painting, I guess. Yeah, that's true. For listeners at home, he put a painter's brush into his mouth as he sort of ponders existence. And it's actually hot as hell the way he does it. He's practiced that before. He's practiced that before. I've seen your scruff. profile picture not her first ponder okay so you're a multi-affinate you paint you make country music do you also do top line commercial work do you do spec demo work for clorox commercials and shit like that well so i run my like gossipy um country radio show i am a podcaster as well. Okay. It's a gossipy country show to do. I know you guys have a non-compete clause, but, uh, yeah, I am just, we don't, we don't see other podcasters as competition. That's kind of not how we look at it. We're evolved. And I think maybe you should. Try that yourself. Look inward instead of outward at your competition. Rising tides raise all ships vibes. That's exactly right. I've never looked at the Apple comedy podcast charts to see how long gone is. I'll tell you that right now. No, no. Sam, at what point in your life do you think you stopped saying a rising tide lifts all boats into saying rising tide lifts all boats vibes? I've been trying to, you know, connect with like my Zoomer audience. And it's not just you. It's all of us. It's all of us. It's not just you. I'm guilty of the same thing as well. Well, you know, when did the vibe shift? You know, like. We're not going to get into that right now. When exactly do you. What I want to talk about. I mean, yeah. So you do. You have your show. You have your music. You have your painting. And that affords you this kind of. beautiful beach shack that i'm seeing here guys i can't i can't stress this enough this guy looks like he's living in a in a in a you know topanga joanie mitchell you know lair up there no he instead of living in a home like chris your house and my house it has exposed beams there's some wood elements sam lives inside of his whole house is an exposed beam that's right he lives inside of an exposed beam the way that like when i go into a normal apartment i

I walk in the door and I say, you have a floor? You have a door? Okay. Okay, so the charm is there, but you're missing maybe some integral elements. There are pros and cons. Yeah, notice there's no noticeable bathroom in the joint. So where's that? I'd like to know the difference between a bathroom and a noticeable bathroom. Because I'm sure Pharrell has 12 bathrooms in his house that you can't even see. Well, a bathroom can be anything if you really think about it. So you shit in a hole and you bathe in the ocean? Is that what you're saying? So when I first moved into this like candle store in Topanga, it was suggested to me that I shit in a bucket and do what's called a compost toilet. And at the time I said, that will never fucking be me. Never in a million years would I ever shit in a bucket. And then it's like. There is a shared bathroom house like up on the property, but it is after a few months of that. Honey, you best believe I was sitting in that bucket. Okay, okay, hold on. This is throwing me for a loop. You grew up in like a house with parents and stuff? I did. Okay, so you have a normal, you're only as fucked up as the rest of us. There's not like anything super crazy going on. I have two unhappy parents just like everyone else. Okay, great. But Chris, just like you and I, Chris, she hates a shared bathroom just as much as we do. But to an extent that we haven't fully yet. Experienced. You don't want the Ace Hotel vibes at home. You want to kind of keep it to yourself. So you're saying are there multiple wooden houses on the property that are all – and then there's a bathroom house, meaning a house that is just a bathroom or a house that contains a bathroom? Both. Both. Chris, it's kind of like an outhouse. So like at nighttime, like if you have, you know. Yeah, yeah. Sam, you know, we're all getting a little bit older, you know what I mean? You might be in your 30s coming up pretty soon. At three in the morning, four in the morning, you have to go use the bathroom. So you'll have to light a candle and sort of walk down a path holding a rope to guide yourself to the outhouse at night. Yes, and there is a way when I first moved in here, it was like.

I had the same reaction that everyone else had, which is what is this magical place? And then I found out that this house is actually like a viral, it is a viral like lifestyle home. It often goes old pictures of it are often going viral on just like open roads, Instagram, like, like wild horizons. Like, so this is a wanderlust property is what you're saying. This is like at wanderlust.com. Okay. Normies need not apply. Yeah. And it's not without its charms for sure. I mean, I've lived here almost two years. Of course. However, now for something, something switched in me where I started to become ashamed of living here where, because it's like a dorm in the woods essentially, where it's just like. It is a dorm in the woods where it's just like, and I share the bathroom with just like Steve. I would like to go through, I would like to go through the neighbors and kind of what other people are attracted to this sort of. Yeah. Over there in camp on a Wano. I want to know what else is going on. Cause like summer campus. Yeah, it's over in two weeks, usually, unless you're Jewish, then it's six months. It's a pretty morose squad, to be honest. My squad is morose. Okay, okay. So you're saying, let me just guess a couple archetypes. Mostly keep to themselves, I'd say. There's got to be one leathery graying man who's been there since the beginning. Unfortunately, he passed. Okay, RIP to him. RIP to Leathery Daddy. The monkey pox took him. Cliff died from the first known case of monkey pox. Cliff got got. But is there a kind of young, sexy van life couple that have taken van life too far? Or is that you? They lived in my house. Okay.

The whole true detective story of me living here has been trying to figure out why they left. Well, I think the road was calling, is my guess. They can't be pinned down. Costa Rica had great surf. Their Instagram said they were stoked to throw some new seeds into the wind. What? not to be rude i feel like they're friends they're not friends they're not friends they left you in a murder scene and don't give a shit about coming back okay so don't don't worry about them that is okay so Much like Gabby, the girl who got killed in the woods, I feel like that's who it was. I feel like it's that kind of person that was living there before. You know, it seemed like they had less inherited trauma than, like, that girl. I hope they had some inherited money, because that kind of goes with that vibe as well. I believe that is exactly the vibe, and that now they live on a boat, and they're stoked to be living on the boat. Is the boat... In water, or is it somewhere near Moab, Utah, perhaps up on cinder blocks? I think it's kind of like 50-50, actually, like a little bit of both. You know, they're not mutually exclusive, my man. Would you? Hold on, hold on. So you've done two years in the cabin, and it sounds like you're coming to terms with the fact that this might not be the best situation for you. Yeah. Are you looking to move maybe into the grove, you know, something a little more upscale? time for you to hit a boat you know i was just doing a sort of like robert maplethorpe like just kids month in my friend's like loft in koreatown los angeles okay that's not that's not any better than where you're at now stick to the shanty stick to the shanty no but it's like do you know the cement building In K-Town? Yeah. I try to avoid K-Town at all costs. Too much traffic. It is a spooky, ooky kind of vibe in there. It's very... Wait, who's the girl who was on camera jumping into the... Oh, in the hotel downtown? The water tower thing? Eliza Lamb is giving that. Yes.

i was giving that okay like like i'm going to i'm going to appear to kill myself but but dark spirits will be guiding me that you can't see into the water tower yeah okay you tried it out and you were happy to be back in the arms of old bessie the the flat floor was fucking rocking my world i was ballet dancing i was on point it was like i was around the room so you're you're saying the fact that you weren't rolling your ankle walking to the mpc from the kitchen was a life-changing life-changing i saw i saw it i saw it i saw it thank you i'm not that smart do you do you get mail and amazon deliveries there or is there like an outpost that you have to go down to the bottom of the mountain what is sick about topanga is its proximity to Woodland Hills, which is like the mall of America. And literally, Amazon packages could not come faster. They literally come within moments of pressing the button. That's cool. It sounds like you're living with one foot in the past and one foot in a future that we haven't experienced yet with that sort of lightning speed. Yeah, you know, the Wi-Fi is... Super no complaints in terms of the Wi-Fi. As you can see, crystal clear. Do you have to hear the ambient music from the secular Sabbath down the street? Or can you kind of turn that off? There are for sure. Like, you'll just be, you know, minding your own business, sitting around in the distance. It's like... And you're like... Literally. So you're in the crib on the loveseat. You're watching 30 Rock Season 4. You look out the window. There's a guy with a big gong. He's wearing just a loincloth, like smashing it at sundown. The culture up here could not be more toxic. If the land is not cursed by an ancient curse, it should be. I've only been to Topanga truly one time, and it was to do...

An underwater workout with former Navy SEALs at a guy who made $50 million on a startup at his house that had a Buddha statue. You know what I mean? Oh, of course. And that to me, I was like, this is what this is. My ears popped. driving down i'm like i never need to come back again it took me 45 minutes from west hollywood it's giving solid gold buddhas up here it's like wait were you in like a tank where you were where water was pushing against you and you were running against the water no i was i was underwater with 50 pound dumbbells and running in circles in the deep end it's one of the weirdest things i've ever done it was actually really gratifying and i felt great afterwards but The vibe was white guy cult. And did you make friendships that lasted a lifetime? I actually mentioned that a guy, I mentioned that the owner of the house did cocaine, like in passing in the story I wrote, and he did DM me to let me know that there could be legal action if that wasn't removed. And I'm like, bro. No way. Yeah, I'm like, bro, you made $50 million. You got a gold Buddha. You do cocaine. It's fine. Everybody knows. Everybody knows that you do cocaine. It's cool. You don't have to work again. What do you care? Your parents are going to see it? It's actually not cocaine that he's doing. It's like 2COP. Yes, definitely. It's a bunch of letters and numbers. It's a bunch of letters and numbers together. But so, all right. Well, I mean, where are you from originally? Because I need to understand. Because Topanga is so insane, the ending up there makes me think you must be from somewhere even worse. Well, what I was going to say about everyone who lives here is the property I'm on is very, like, divorce compound, where it's, like, the guy who owns it, like, he fucked up his marriage. And then the other guy, like, when I moved here... I'm like... The other guy, when I moved here, like, he broke up with his girlfriend and quit his job, and then COVID happened a week later, and he got stuck out here, and it was just like... So he's got the pictures of Fauci printed out on his HP, and he's hitting it with a crossbow every morning? Motherfucker. Wait, I forgot why I brought that up. Just in terms of where I'm from. Oh, I mean, like, I don't know. I never ended up... I never intended to...

to live out here but it was just like it it happens to people like of just like and i feel like everyone i meet who is even remotely interested in where i live is again one of the most toxic people on earth but like i am from just like a little seaside town in massachusetts oh okay so you're you're uh you're ben affleck and matt damon yeah It is Manchester by the Sea. Okay. So you're a little more blue-collar? Super blue-collar. The opioid crisis really hit close to home. OxyContin, oxys and clams? Yeah. Okay. We're smoking pills. We're, you know. Okay. Did you ever get bit by the pill-smoking snake, Sammy? I have to be honest that yes, I did. It's okay. The reason I brought that... It's okay. So did we. So did we. Well, so did me. This trio has all smoked Oxycontin from aluminum foil. We didn't chase it with Duncan, but maybe that's the only difference. I mean, looking back on it, I'm always like, we were such crazy kids back then. But it was more that my roommate had a bag of... pure Valium because he was like a 2CO3P. Was he getting this on the dark web or a straight script? He was getting it from the dark web, and he's kind of a designer drug influencer, and I don't want to name drop because I feel like he's definitely in the mix. You shouldn't name drop him. You don't want to snitch, but designer drug influencer is the phrase that you just said. I was mentioning, I was never heard that double stacks on our intro, but that's a little different than what I think you're talking about. He's kind of a thought leader in the designer drug. I would say exactly that. And it was very like, our fridge was full of just like two CB, like pure Viagra, like pure Valium, like all this random stuff. This guy sounds hot. I would just be like dipping my finger in and just be like, oops, like.

And it was the Valium powder that sunk its little claws in me, and I would roll it into cigarettes. Oh, that's hot. Okay, so you would just sprinkle a little into the cigs? Who gave me that idea? Well, I'll tell you who gave you that idea. Anyone would do the same thing in your situation because nobody opens their refrigerator to see a Home Depot bucket full of powder. I'm going to put that on everything. Yeah. This takes a whole new meaning of people, of roommates putting their names on their stuff in the fridge. You know what I mean? I just love the, I like, I like your, your, Hey guys, you're 19. It's three in the morning. You brought somebody home and you open the fridge and you're like, okay. A little bit of this, a little bit of Viagra here, a little bit of here, and I think I'm good to go. Well, I was on those drugs where I had a vision of that roommate being an evil demon, and then I moved out and never talked to him again. Was this in the Boston area, or is this in money-making Manhattan? Yeah, it was in a little town called NYC. That makes sense, because Boston, the people are smart, but they're too ugly, and I don't like to see you associating with that kind of... designer, drugs, or anything there, I guess, right? Boston is so crazy. It's like the Paris of... Connecticut or something, you know? Yes, yes. The thing is that we make fun of Boston on this program quite a lot. Oh, guys, no. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. And I love chain restaurants and colleges and all the stuff they have to offer. But I'm from Orange County, so I'm allowed to really say bad things about anywhere in the country. I can tell from your... Well, one, you don't have a shirt on. What did you say, pussy? Maybe I'll take my shirt off, too. I want to ask you a question because Jason kind of admitted something a little too proudly on this program where he was like, yeah, I was just driving around with my shirt off yesterday. What? Yeah, and I was like, bro, you can't. I have a whole thing where.

If you're going to be shirtless in public, you need to look like Adonis. Brad Pitt. Yeah, you need to be an icon. It's insane. Yeah, but nobody like that does it. It's just these pigeon-chested Evan Mocks walking around shirtless. You're just a pigeon-chested Evan Mock with more height and less pink. Bro, I'm fucking shredded, bitch. You can't even kickflip, bro. You can't? Not you too, Sam. Not you too. Sam. Sam, you lived in a seaside town that they forgot to shut down. Were you driving the Nissan Sentra shirtless? Honestly, I've really been ruminating about this. I was such a fat little meatball that I was the one who was sweating when it got to be shirts and skins. So just being like, oh shit, please let me be shirts. Been there, been there, been there. But now I'm like, okay. the husky man could not be celebrated more in our society like why can't i just let go of my internalized husky phobia and just be like chunk and proud like the the the husky man is so celebrated in society wouldn't you agree in current society this is the best it's ever been i would say for sure for for any for a husky person of any variety i'd say a husky man is like society is like you got it boy you're so funny and you know just yesterday i had to go to like the um the la version of a dave's you know like a boy store And just like, I had to, I had to, I've gotten so thick recently that I've had to, I had to up my. Car hearts, your car hearts. Yeah, my car hearts had to get it. You're packing, you're packing for this gay little tour with Rostam and you needed new car hearts. I couldn't squeeze into my Wranglers for the tour with Rostam. Did you call Dave's, you're talking about like the white workwear store in New York? You called that a boy, a boy store? I would say that's like where a boy goes.

Like a Dennis the Menace type? Or just like a young man in general? Have you ever been to T-Mart? You're from OC. T-Mart? I've never heard of that, actually. Is that like a testosterone thing? I mean, essentially. I walked in and I was like, uh-oh. I have like $900 in checking and I spent $300 on boy stuff yesterday. Okay, so what kind of boy stuff are you copping? Dickies, Carhartt, Wrangler? First of all, I got these jeans. tags still on, but they fit like a fucking glove. Okay, for our listeners at home, he's wearing a pair of off-the-rack 501 Levi's, and he decided to leave the tag on for this podcast or for the tour? You know, I gotta say that just like... The way that I realized what time this was starting, like 10 minutes before, it was before we were going. That's real hot girl shit, Sam. That got me into the jeans real quick, if you know what I mean. Yeah, we're a jean-forward show, because there was a time a couple years ago where some of these little male influencers were trying to say jeans were over. You know, like, who wears jeans? That's horse shit. It's horse shit. We don't stand for that on how long gone. But also, Sam, this is an audio podcast, so you don't need to wear your britches at all. I know. It's true. You do have floor-to-ceiling windows there, so maybe one of the new. I guess it's less floor-to-ceiling and more floor-and-ceiling windows. Yeah, you don't want the squirrels to see you. Well, I feel like also maybe you want to get those. We've all had a new pair of jeans. You've got to break those in before you touch the stage. Oh, well, these ones are plenty accommodating. to my large, large caboose. I have a feeling that Sam might have a little Skims-style lycra woven into the denim, a little something that our little secret. Yeah. Many of these items of clothing have something called flex fit going on. I have to say whoever's creative directing at Dickies right now is really just being like, we are letting out the waistbands. Like the amount of like wishful, like wishful waistbandery. And like, I'm like, these are like a size 40 and they're like being marketed as like a 36, but they're definitely.

That's smart. That's how we trick ourselves. Lane Bryant's been doing that for years. I mean, we're a nation of big boys. It's time that we finally start to just accept that. I refuse to accept that, and that's why I starve myself and only exercise, and that's the only thing I care about. But that's my trauma. Wait, so when you say you starve yourself, how do you do that? I don't really starve myself, but I try to eat as little as possible throughout the day as a personal challenge to myself, and a lot of that is going to be liquids is where you start with that. I don't know if you have a Vitamix in the cabin, but, you know, that's a good place to start. I've got Nature's Vitamix, which is, you know, it's a bowl made of stones, and I kind of just crush up berries into it. And the juice trickles down into a little cup. Okay. So you're so old school that you're making smoothies with a mortar and pestle is what you're saying. He walks down the hill. Okay. He goes to Erewhon, gets his Harry's berries. Brings them back up and he's smashing those things with two rocks. I like that. And you just take off your shoes and you start stamping away. Are you a wine guy? Are you making your own wine? Are you having it delivered? What is your kind of natural grape intake? Hell no. I think wine is disgusting. Hell yeah. This is cool because we have a prediction here. Wine's out. Wine is over. I agree. I agree. And I'm kind of a wine wife, which is that like. My husband, my husbands are frequently away at war in the battlefield of wine and on the, you know, the battle of pet nap. Okay. So you're saying some of the, some of the fellas that you might be courting. I haven't locked into the fact that wine is over yet and they're spending quite a lot of money on the pet gnats and you have to deal with the aftermath. It's a long donkey ride down to El Prado is what you're saying? You don't even know. You don't even know. Are you able to rustle up a couple fellers down at El Prado? I may or may not have a feller or two. Literally.

working at El Prado. I thought it was just to have sex with like [redacted address] Range Rovers. The teens here are so cool. Like going down to like CVS and it's like all these like insanely aggro boys with like, I don't know how to describe this that makes them sound cool. They're only in just like sweatshorts and like sneakers, but they look so expensive. Everything about them. And the girls are just in sweatpants, but, like, they're rolled over so many times that, like, their pussies are, like, coming out and, like, they're all just, like, they're so cool that I literally, like, cower and... No, I know what you mean. I think there's, like, some weird psychological thing that, like, brings you back to the way you were when you were in high school and you would see these people, like, the rich girls and the rich guys just... Yeah. They couldn't be more casual looking, but every little bit of casual... It's like an uncanny valley of wife beaters. Do you guys know that I went to high school with Lily Murata? No, but that tracks. That's like the connection. So was she wearing her dickies with the waistband rolled down in high school and now things have changed up a little bit? I mean, I can show you some pics. Me and Lily were the most retro. butch lesbians like you've ever seen in your life what what era retro are we talking about i was with a full pompadour briefcase as a backpack oh god vest chunky shoes with like a flame belt okay lily was like a hot girl with like tiny t's and like yeah low-rise jeans and like converse and a big That was like Lily invented the sort of hair, retro hair loaf. And no one was allowed to have sex with her unless they got through you first? And no one ever did. No one was ever good enough for my girl. You did your damn job, Sam. So you kind of had a rockabilly flair, it sounds like. Exactly. I'm getting a little Michael Cera.

little Jason Schwartzman kind of thing? I think it's probably a little more along the lines of the loser-ish Michael Cera vibe of just being like... You were the Massachusetts Michael Cera. I was extremely, extremely indie. Perhaps one of the indiest that ever did it. But Lily was genuinely retro, but Lily is who, like, introduced me to country, introduced me to... I wouldn't have even known what Rockabilly wants. I'm interested. I think it's pretty cool that, you know, I'm from the South, so country's kind of in my blood, you know, and so your stolen valor is not really appreciated, but I feel like your knowledge is deep. Is that fair to say? Well, you look more country. Well, Lily was the one who, like... showed me miranda lambert and that was like the first time i was just like oh country is like cool i didn't realize until that moment it's very cool i mean me and lily are from the ground zero of like anything but rap and country that's like massachusetts like that's that was like wait do you being from the south do you even know what i'm talking about how people used to say that that they listen to anything but rap and country anything but yeah of course that was like a Yeah, that was a big thing. Yeah, anything but rap and country, now that I think back, it's a little, it feels classist to me. I'm just like, what other genres are there? That's a great point. Pop. Non-threatening rock and roll. So you're saying Miranda Lambert turned you out? It wasn't Conway Twitty? It wasn't some old school shit? Miranda was your Waylon. Yeah, Miranda was my first Waylon, and it was, I mean, when you say Conway Twitty, it was like, that too i didn't grow up with country at all i'm like a complete poser i learn as i go kind of but i'm like my radio show is basically me doing like takedowns i'll do my like tributes i'll do my wait i actually wanted to ask you guys because i was listening to the leah finnegan app okay we're going back just doing a little research yeah um flattered at the beginning of that episode you guys said something about

Uh-oh. Casey Musgraves torpedoing her career, but then you didn't elaborate. Worst sophomore, well, it's not sophomore, but worst follow-up to a hit maybe of all time. I mean, it's so bad. But redeemed herself with the Elvis soundtrack of her. Doing the I can't help falling in love with you. Oh, I didn't hear that. I haven't heard that either. It's on the end of our John early episode. We saw Casey Musgraves in concert together. Like Jason and I and our other friend, Yayo. Like we really cared. Like I've listened to that countless times. I rinsed it. Also, it is nice to be the only straight guy at the Hollywood Bowl. Just like shooting fish in the barrel. Bingo. We borrowed some pink light up cowboy house. from some gals next to us, and they didn't really think it was funny. Yeah, talk about Stolen and Valor. No, 100%. Don't come for Kappa Kappa Phi. But Casey had the sauce. But luckily for me, I've discovered, and I've talked about this on the show many times and told Jason this, the new Maren Morris album is what Casey should have made. Okay, me and Lily actually reviewed the new Maren Morris album on my... radio show put your m's up i gave it a c plus i think i think all right bitch all right well you're on how long gone now it's a plus on this show so sam sam i only i agree with you i only heard one song about how she likes to fuck tall guys which is wow who doesn't and i was like it's a c plus it's a c plus i mean and i also did Episode investigation on Casey Musgraves and Maren Morris actually hate each other. Of course they do. Of course. But they used to. Maren got her start in country crashing on Casey's couch in Nashville. They're both from Texas. You know, it's like this is a classic tale. This is a classic tale. It's like if you and Lily broke up, if you and Lily started having beef, you know what I mean? Because of. Because of podcast stuff or something. I mean, it's like maybe we already did. We're just keeping up appearances, you know. Of course. You're ice cold. I'm surprised that you're – I think Maren Morris, I think that record is the –

Unbelievable. I think it's so good. To me, it's like the song Humble Quest. It's like a song about trying to be humble. Yeah. Well, you try being famous. And luckily, Maren Morris isn't that hot. So I feel like that keeps her humble. I mean, her whole thing. Quest done. Her and Casey have gotten like. filled up... Yeah, Casey looks like a damn balloon. Yeah. Maren Morris is presenting as full Cholita now. No, you're right. I saw a paparazzi picture of you yesterday and I was like, who is this? She's trying it. Also, my whole show is basically me just shooting myself in the foot as to never having an actual career in Nashville ever because I'm just being like Casey Musgraves is filled like a... Anyways, she's like... Anyone that you would ever open for on a tour, that bridge has been burned. Yeah, literally. Could you finish that last thought you were going to say about Kacey Musgraves, please? That I've been really fixated on her new boyfriend, who's a psycho copywriter. Are you talking about the copywriter? Oh, I thought he was like a black doctor who looks like a bachelor contestant. So he's not black, but he does present. Wait, what? I feel like you guys do that. I've said too much. Are you saying Jason listening to 21 Savage in his car, or do you mean really doing it bad? All I'll say is I saw a thing on Twitter where someone goes, he's white, look at his parents, and it's two pictures of like... It's two white people who look like him. It doesn't seem like he was adopted, but I don't know. It's just something I saw on Twitter. Are we talking about Cole Schaefer? Yeah, and I think he's one of those, like, darker Jewish guys who's just rolling with it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, with a name like Cole, I could have told you he wasn't black. No, no, no. Cole from Martin. And his writing, his pen name, January Black. What? Our girl.

Casey is, like, in grave danger right now. That's my pre-roll flavor. You guys need to, like, look at his website. It's absolutely, like... I'm sorry, he's a copywriter? He's, like, check out some of my dope... fucking writing that i do he like swears on his website so you're saying you're saying casey musgrave is getting her back blown out by a copywriter and like she's all over his instagram like on his he's posting poems that are being like he's posting poem that's like this coffee yeah i'd like that coffee yeah how about with you coffee let's get that coffee sometime coffee And then she's in the comments going black heart emoji because celebs can only post a black heart emoji. Once you become a celeb, you can only post a black heart. And she goes black heart and then goes, I want to have a million coffees with you every day. He's definitely going to like, as soon as they get in a fight, he's definitely going to like punch a hole in her wall. Oh yeah. Yeah. For sure. For sure. Once it's discovered that she has no savings, it's all been liquidated by him. He's going to start punching drywall. You got to get into his blog. Like I was literally reading his blog out loud on my radio show. Just being like, like he, he wrote this long, long blog being like some guys. I was at the bar with my girl. And some guys were across the room throwing eyes at her. So I decided that I was going to become an expert in all forms of hand-to-hand combat. And he starts the blog post being like, I had a gun pulled on me. And then it's like, dot, dot, dot. You go down to the body of the article. And he's like, but the gun was held by my Krav Maga teacher. And it was made of plastic. bro this guy it's also like yeah bro guys are always gonna look at your girlfriend she's famous like she's really famous like they're not looking at they might not be looking at her because they're trying to steal her and i'm sure she's gassed up af by that of just like a guy being like

gonna learn hand-to-hand combat to protect you and your sister my girl that is this is really interesting because i had i've fully given up on her and checked out on her entire life and career yeah but now i have to say you've dragged me back and i'm gonna be checking this out maybe on a daily basis depending on how often they update yeah i do a fair amount of muckraking over here you know kind of part of my thing so you haven't When are you going to Nashville? What's the plan? I don't know if I'm going to be welcome there, is what I'm saying. Nashville's progressive. If you want me to introduce you to some of my friends in Rascal Flats, I'm happy to do that. Do you have friends in Rascal Flats? No, you wish, bitch. We sat next to Orville Peck a month ago. That's all we got for you right now. Yeah, I'm good. I had a feeling you were good. So that's a little Maureen and Casey, Sam, and Orville. Is there a little bit of that energy going on? Honestly, it's been a one-sided rivalry for the last six years while I just work on my first album. Okay. I mean, it is something, because obviously the comparisons will come around. A gay country singer. And when you are the one novel thing like that and somebody else comes around, it's like, oh, fuck. Lily was the person who like ruined my life because I put out, you know, my first like hit quote unquote hit song was I put it on like 2016. And then like a week later, I remember Lily texting me being like, this guy's stealing your thing. And it was like I had premiered my track in Fader. And then it was like Fader did like an Orville Peck. like debut like two weeks later and and and that really boiled my blood try being a white guy in the podcasting space chief i am you know one of us hides their face and one of us lives their truth so you you choose

which your gay country star is. Well, the thing that I noticed most about Orville is also, like, from everything I could see, even behind the mask and the dim lights at the Edition Hotel, it does seem like he's hot. I think that is what he wants you to think. I was, wait, a friend of mine was at, like, a dinner party, and he was there, and I was like, Wait, so did Orville, how did he eat with the mask on? And he said that he just parted it. Yeah, he parts it. Like a guy with a big old beard might do before he puts a slice of Little Caesars down there. And you think the little strings get all like ketchup on them and stuff by the end of the night? In my horsey sauce. I'm sure that the dry cleaning bill for the strings is high, but you can't put a price on that. feel like it would be nice to have something to kind of toss behind your shoulder like a long ponytail, you know, like Ariana Grande style. He can do that whenever he wants. Well, you know, Crystal Gale, who's like... You know, she was kind of the queen of, like, soft rock country, and she's also Loretta Lynn's little sister. Okay, okay. I'm not familiar, actually, so. But you probably, you're like. You know the song. Don't make my brown eyes blue. I feel like your auntie was probably, like, cooking up some sweet tea. And like listening to Crystal Gale when you're just a little young. But it's tough being Crystal Gale because your sister is a like gigantic legend. And so how did she stand out? She had floor length hair. which I'm just like, there are such good pictures of her. And she talks about how her hair weighed so much that it would hurt her head, but she couldn't get rid of it because that was her thing. And she looked bad as hell too back then. She did really cool. Jason said, put that shit in a pony and come on over here. Jason said, I ain't afraid if we can do a little trim. The hair really is down to the floor. It's probably like six inches off the ground.

It's crazy. And I would also argue that living your life behind a fringe mask where you, like, go to dinner with a fringe mask on, that also sounds a little unmanageable to me. I 1,000% agree. Like, at a certain point, I would be like, I'm fucking hot. Yeah. It's a thousand degrees in here. I'm taking off the Viking mask. You should get. Well, I appreciate your kind of down home approach. You know, I mean, there's no bells and whistles here. It's just songs. Just three chords in the truth. I'm, you know, it's like. Actually, Sam, I was I was reading a tweet from our other mutual friend, Stephen Phillips, Horace T. Oh, he was gassing me the F up. He wrote a night, a nice little blurb about you. But one thing said. A Carhartt gay who can play guitar and drive. Well, that was kind of my thing is I was sort of the one. I actually got a DUI driving Lily and Stephen home one time. So I'm kind of the driving bitch of the friend group. Well, you were. I was. I'm still, like, pretending to be the guys who, like, called me a fag in the Walmart parking lot when I was, like, 12, you know. So that's still where it's all just costumery. Costumery. Speaking of, the phrase Carhartt gay. Yeah. It's like a thing that's so vague, but you know exactly what it is. Yeah. Is it an actual community of people? I know a lot of different levels of Carhartt gay. Big time. A lot of hot fashion gays just wear Carhartts and a tee because they're hot and rich and they hang out with celebrities. No, and I will say that me and my friends have been doing this for... And I will say that I think we were among the first people to disingenuously wear. It's still Carhartt Valor. And it's like, no, now you have to be so nuanced about it where it's like I'm looking at my Carhartts being like, I can't wear this because it says Carhartts. And now I have to go deeper into the mask, into the boy store. Let me tell you, let me give you a little secret. D-badge all your clothing. Yeah, I got to D-badge everything.

D-badge? Take the Carhartt tag off. Take all the tags off your clothing. Okay, that's when masculinity circles back around to femininity of just taking the care to be like... I'm deep. Sam, you think I do it myself? I take it to my tailor like a real man. Come on now. Jesus Christ. Don't call me feminine. I take my hoodies to the tailor. Thank you very much. Yeah, exactly. My Patagonia shorts are debadged by a guy named Mr. Kim. Wait, actually, I really do want to debadge my Patagonia shorts because you can't fucking wear them with the badge on there. You can say the same thing about a Carhartt shirt as well, Sam. Everyone's going to think I'm monkeypox if they see me in those shorts. I hope you got your vaccine before this tour because I know San Francisco is a big market for you. You know what's crazy is that San Francisco, literally there are no gay people even there. It's like, I'll be there. I have a friend who has a house in the Castro and I'm always like in, I've always been like in her basement, like looking on Grindr, just being like. You just hear a cricket. No, it's like worse than Boston. It's like, you know, I'm in the Castro just being like, hello. And it's like one 65 year old guy being like, If you're free next Tuesday night. I'll be done with dinner at four and then maybe we can link up then. I guess you got to go to Oakland, but you know, no, no, nobody cool or interesting or artistic or cultured can live in San Francisco anymore. Unless you're old. All the big tech gays are like, have like. have, like, advanced fleshlights that are just, like, sucking the cum out of their bodies, like, with their, like, little, like, Japanese, like, prostate toys, you know? They haven't allowed themselves the freedom to go on Grindr and have sex with a human being. They don't need to. Do you think maybe they have... Is there, like, a Raya Grindr thing? Like, uh... Like a higher level members only grinder. You know, I never made it past just base level grinder. I don't think, I don't think so. Jason, I think the idea is that it's so transactional that you don't need to, it doesn't need to be high level. Tell me more, Chris. Tell me more. I'm just, I'm guessing that based on what I've heard.

From gay fellas in my orbit. You've been asking them about it? Okay, cool. Do a little research. It's all good. Yeah, just do a little research because once I heard... Hey, there's another route with that. Once I heard about Scruff, I was like, damn, Scruff sounds sick. You send a picture of your dick behind a bush and somebody comes and sucks it. Wait, have you guys heard of Sniffies? Bro. That's what my girlfriend calls cocaine. What? Really? No. but it would, it would fit. If I told her that she'd be like, yeah, people should call Coke sniffies, but sniffies is like the most depraved gay sex app where it's literally. So you look at it on a browser in your phone. It's like, not like available as an app. No app. And it's just a map. It's a map of dicks. It's just, people don't even put their face on it. It's just stick. So it's just a map. And you literally see like exactly where people are. And it's like, It's incredibly depraved. So dick only, and then you can zoom in on what I assume is a blueprint of someone's home, and you can see that they're in the third guest bathroom right now? Literally. It's very just like, I mean, I don't have a door. You know what I mean? I'm like, to be on Sniffies is... is really risky you only hit you so you only hit sniffies when you're when you're out when you're at the four seasons yeah you know it's a place to see and be seen basically okay and do you is there a reason why it's called sniffies does there anything involving smell People have implied that they know why it's called Sniffies, but it's one of those things where I have never, like, been in the proximity of that. People have implied that they know why it's called Sniffies. I like that listeners chime in if you know why Sniffies is called Sniffies. Yeah. We'd like to know. We'll address it on the next episode. Because you're sniffing out the dick or something? That's kind of where my head went, but it also went to some darker places, so I would like to... I'm wondering. I need an answer, and I need it now. You're like... It smells like dick. Chris gets a little testy if he hasn't had his dick smell, you know? What is the line?

Dick is amazing, and not only that, but balls smell amazing. You guys know what I'm talking about? That seems like something from your community, and we do not have access to that. This is like a commonly known line? It's like a common Twitter thing of being like, not only that, but balls smell amazing. Oh, cock is one of my favorite tastes. Not only that, but balls smell amazing. It makes me go a little crazy on it, to be honest. And then it goes on and on. And it's like, you guys have never heard this. No, we haven't. No, no, but I love it. Should I, shall I go on? I think probably. Yeah. Yeah. Like I cannot get it far enough down my throat to be satisfied. I'm only satisfied when I feel those intense, powerful, salty, hot pumps of cum in my throat. All right. All right. We're going to wrap it up. There's a few more sentences. I like that Sam was like, do you know this viral tweet going around? You're just reading your erotic fiction. You're reading Ryan O'Connell's book, and I've already read it once, and I can't handle this again. There's got to be one Carhartt gay in your audience who knows the origin of this. this is like a common it's really common you keep saying that it sounds like you're talking yourself into that it sounds like you're trying to show me like a video of like a panda falling asleep you're like everyone's like my mom said it to me on facebook Why is it that I can type into Google, not only that, but balls smell amazing and it knows exactly what I'm saying? That is literally Google's only function. And if it's ever been uttered on the internet, you will find it by searching it. So it doesn't necessarily mean that it's so popular. It means it's a specific statement that has been uttered before. Well, I will say that the SEO for... Not only that, but Balls So Amazing is amazing. They're doing overtime. They're doing their job. I'm really upset that I'm going to be out of town for your shows. Oh, freak. I really need some people to come. I was going to follow you guys like the dead, kind of. You know what I mean? Jason and I, we're going to throw a couple six-packs in the Nissan and just kind of head down the coast. You know what I'm saying? Seattle, Portland, we can hang together at Outside Lands because I'm not playing.

dragging along. Sure. Just doing a meet and greet. Are you going to play, are you going to be like, maybe do some auxiliary, you know, percussion or something when Rossum, during Rossum set, or are you kind of just selling merch? Honestly, I should. Yeah. No, I should, I should definitely like be on the Kunga drums for the, for the Rossum set, but you know, we'll see what he lets. How many instruments can you play, Sam? I can barely play any of them, to be perfectly honest. That's what I was hoping for. As a producer, all you need to be able to do is just be like... you know just strike a chord and then you can basically all of it's studio magic from there every bro who like works at a record label that i've ever spoken to will have you believe that like i couldn't even press record on a computer you know what i mean like like like the the music industry does not believe that gay guys are capable of recording music and they might be right but they can sing it perform it but when it comes to the all the knobs and dials the brain doesn't work in that way yeah and i mean i still do think that that straight up traditional gay guys are one of the least loved like archetypes in just general music you know what i mean because it's like gross you're like ew what are you singing all that about for? It's disgusting. I'll just be like, you can do that, but I just don't want to hear it in song form. What kind of stuff do you work on? What is your zone? usually build up the songs on the mpc first it's very old school hip-hop vibes okay so you're on your you're on your kanye west shit you're like kanye twitty as a uh child of the trip-hop era i do you know like to throw a sample down and reverse spin it back reverse it flip it okay you got the blunt and you're listening to portisette and you're just hammering up those i mean i'm literally gonna do that right now

Are you a chiefer, Sam? It's ruined my life. Really? You have a crippling marijuana addiction? I have an addiction to marijuana, yeah. Are we waking and baking over there? It's like every day, the way you know you're addicted is every day, it's like one minute earlier, me being like, wait, I should smoke. And that would make this. One minute earlier. And then it's like. And then once it's before 9 a.m. or something. Then you kind of restart and you're like, okay. You're like, I'm taking a break. And then you wait until 9 p.m. And then it starts all over again. Weed is addictive. Do you guys smoke? I'm sober. Jason be chiefing. I smoke. Chris used to smoke a lot. I used to be a real head. Like I used to really. chief the blunt like a real man once i get to his level where he was at then i know that i should probably pull back because now all you pussies i'm gonna have a little nibble of my edible no not for me i don't like to eat weed at all so you'd be smoking traditional style i am like golem like rolling up a little joint at every party just being like Don't look at me. I'm hunched in the corner, rolling and rolling and twisting and rolling. Wait, Jason, your apartment looks like a really cozy place to smoke a tiny little bong, actually. Like a bong that's like... It's not a house. It's a house, not an apartment. And he does smoke in that sauna to your left to kind of make it more extreme. Wait. Oh, my God. He's not gay. He's not gay. That's cool. But I do like sauna culture. Yeah. And I don't like to be hot. So maybe I'm straight. All right, Sam. Sam Buck. Thank you for joining us. Thanks for taking the time to chat with us. We appreciate it. Thank you, guys. It's been amazing to just be convivial with my broskies. Yeah, I mean, your press tour is going hot right now, and it was probably nice to pull into the old How Long Gone Saloon for a spell. Literally dropped my music vid premiere on papermag.com hours ago. Just hours.

hours ago and and the ep is out in stores tomorrow you guys you you and and rossum hit the road just a few days after correct yeah we're doing it from seattle down to la please please come out and buy some ticks thankfully you were able to do how long gone today because paper is not going to get you any numbers and we'll give you a nice Nice podcast push. I don't even know if I've gotten a single follower on Instagram, so from the paper. That sounds like the paper right now. All right, Sam. Well, thank you so much. We appreciate it. Right now, one of your songs is slowly fading up. I'm able to not. Ooh, I love. Have a good afternoon in the lab. Yeah, we'll see what the rap is looking at. Next. Bye.