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And now he's kind of, you know, when you're watching the news and you see a guy who got pulled out of like rubble, like he'd been trapped under a building for like three weeks and he's just like living off of cockroaches. That is kind of the look. He's kind of given that a little bit. He kind of looks like a character from one of Larry David's op-eds. You know what I mean? Yeah, I didn't have a chance to read that, but I'm sure it's hilarious. I listened to it on my walk this morning. It's kind of what you would expect, you know, a funny guy who's old to write about, you know. I like that Larry is not hiding and he's not mincing his words about his allegiances. And I'm sure that makes Cheryl very, very upset and very... uncomfortable i mean i'm sure it's i you know the curmudgeon thing i kind of get i'm like i get it dude you're mad at everything everything annoys you i'm kind of like we've dealt with that for 20 years but this is particularly easy to make fun of um and should be made fun of i mean i i agree i think everyone agrees with him you know it may be a little bit of a stretch comparing um you know going to dinner with trump as going to dinner with hitler some people might agree some people might disagree but I think that's kind of what the gist of it is of like getting into the mind of somebody who's justifying hanging out with potentially the person who's going to end our planet in a number of different ways as you know, because it's LOL and because it's funny and he eats McDonald's for the bit. No, because the KFC was good. That's why he had a 12 piece bucket biscuits. He has some. potato wedges i mean things are looking good trump is definitely eating better than hitler that's that's smart that is that is yeah that is yeah i'll take that bet i'll take that bet i just it just seems like too easy for for larry but i guess that that's the whole point if you're larry you can call whoever you want and say i want to shit on something in a funny way and they're gonna let you

And I can't blame him for exercising that. Yeah, I mean, one day, Chris, you'll get there. We'll see how the book number two goes. But I think one day you'll be able to fire up that Google Doc, get it out there, run it through Grammarly for the spelling and, you know, take out some of those M dashes that ChatGPT added and make a couple of calls and say, I want this to be in tomorrow's issue. And I think it could get done as long as it's good enough, right? I don't think it matters if it's good enough if you're Larry David. I think that's my whole point. I think it's like... Well, I was talking about you. Larry David could fart and somebody will say it's genius. You know what I mean? He's like that kind of... He's at that level, I think. Yeah. Where anything he does is beloved, which is... I mean... I'm fine with him, but I don't. I would say he earned his stripes, though, to get to that level. I mean, he's cooler than Jerry Seinfeld, and he's kind of eclipsed him in a lot of ways as Seinfeld deteriorates. I would say so. Yeah, I would definitely say so. That is things like the world writing itself in some ways. The world is also writing about Kanye West. He has a new song and a new sort of creative direction. Thank you to my dog, Dave Bluntz. You know Dave Bluntz all over that shit. Well, this particular, I'm talking about one specific song called Cousin. Yeah, no, I'm familiar. I know that he's been in the lab with fat-ass Dave Bluntz recording World War III or whatever. I think Dave Bluntz worked on this song that is on World War III, is my understanding. I just can't imagine Dave Blunt's working on anything except a little six-piece. I mean, I think he's working on it seated. It's not like he's got the shovel out or anything. He's kind of keeping it straight. He's keeping it. But, I mean, it's a pretty good song, I have to say. I mean, I don't love the source material, obviously. artists are inspired by what they're inspired by jason i guess i guess i mean when you say you don't love it obviously why would that be so obvious because i think that kanye saying that he sucked his cousin's dick until he was 14 was the first correct thing kanye has said in months probably i don't know if correct is the word i would use maybe truthful is is the better word but i mean i just don't know how much further this guy can take it i believe that to be true

Like I believe everything he's saying, like 100% believe it's true. Well, when I say correct, I mean, you know, it's like when, you know, two people are negotiating and one person is trying to get the other person to just like be a human being. You know, it could be a therapist. It could be a watch deal, you know, on TikTok marketplace, whatever it is. But as soon as one person says something that isn't just like a tantrum, hissy fit, weird reaction. you know uh an honest proclamation he's doing the right he's he's making it's like the first step in the right direction that kanye i mean but it's also very too little too late it's like if he led hitler donating to pita if he led with this it he would be in a better place but he's waited uh years literally years but i mean so chris black says too little too late kanye to the two two i mean I've never been a Kanye apologist. I don't get it. Like, I think it's been mid for a long time. But I mean, I will say the trauma did make a better song than he's made in years. So, you know, what does that say? Who knows? Who's to judge? I mean, I guess I'm also hoping that, you know, if he's sort of become the edgelord messiah over the last few years and people like to brag about how they listen to new Kanye because they think it's dope or whatever. him becoming a role model for these edgelord people and these school shooters to, you know, instead of shooting your teacher with an AR-15, maybe you could talk about how your cousin made you suck his dick until you were 14, and the healing can begin, you know what I mean? The healing can begin. Once again, I wish to never hear from him, but if we're going to hear from him, at least this is pretty extreme. It is very extreme. That's kind of how I look at it. At least there's a nice spike. You know what I'm saying? At least it's a nice spike. Last night, I went to a show at a church in Greenpoint.

Oh yeah, Cameron Winter? Yeah, it was... I didn't realize how real of a church... This is like a regular-ass church. You know what I mean? What's the difference between a church and a regular-ass church? I'm just saying I think people now think of churches as something more modern and Hillsong-y. You know what I mean? But the reality is most churches are old and have hard pews. You know what I mean? And there's no street wear in sight. So you went to a vintage church? Is that what you're saying? I went to an original church, but... Dead stock. He played for four... It was kind of the perfect show. He's set up on stage. It's just him and a piano. He plays for 40 minutes. Then he gets up and comes up to the balcony where we're standing, and there's a church organ there, and he plays a song on the organ. and then the show is over in under an hour. It was kind of the perfect live music experience, I have to say. Okay, so 40 minutes, just him and a regular piano, and then one song on the organ. He finishes on the organ, yeah. Wow, that's like Zedd bringing out... john mayer to do the severance theme song you know just like what a crescendo moment playing that kind of organ looked very hard yeah i've always i mean obviously it sounds very powerful because it has these physical pipes going all the way up to the ceiling but i don't know how hard or how or how much more difficult it is than just playing a regular piano because i think it's just two levels and it's a lot of foot stuff From what I could tell. The one thing about Cameron Winter that's funny is that... It's like getting into a ditty party. Well, there's two levels, and there's going to be a lot of foot stuff. So sign here, and I need your phone. He was wearing... Somehow pulling this off, even though this is one of my rules, he was wearing kind of beat-up Jordans in like a high school student kind of way. Are you able to identify what Jordan? I think it's a Jordan 11, maybe.

I think. I try not to know this stuff. Yeah, it was actually. Damn, I'm good. A Jordan 11, but in like a white with kind of an ice blue, instead of red or black. I wish OG Luke was here right now. Oh, he knows. He would be able to identify. But yeah, so he's got the Edgars, the Jordan 11 Edgars. Those are the kinds of shoes that you wear when you... get beat up at lunch i don't know anything about jordan culture so i i don't know if those are the right ones or the wrong ones but it was a it was a funny part of the look i would say yeah but it was one of the best it's one of the best things i've seen in a long time it was like very impressive did he do the song where he sounds like uh julian casablancus i don't know what song that is neither do i julian casablancus doesn't make good music So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how that would be comparable. You got to check out The Strokes, though. Not his solo stuff. His solo stuff is like, it's crazy. It exists. It's that. I think it's that bad. I think it's that bad. You know, no comment, I suppose, on that one. But yeah, it is a pet project. You know, a place for him to explore. I mean, it's a place for him to spend a lot of money on a full-time band that he doesn't need. Well, guess what he's got? Nothing but money. Nothing but money. All right. Our guest today is Nate Amos. He is in a band called Water From Your Eyes, but he also put out a great solo album. This is Lorelai is the name of the band. And from what I can tell, he's a damn freak. So I can't wait to get into it with him. Yeah. Check him out on Bandcamp. Box for Buddy. Deluxe a dish is out very soon. Deluxe it did. Featuring How Long Gone Alumni, MJ Lenderman, Snail Mail, the list goes on. Actually, that's pretty much where the list stops. Let's give Nate a call. What's up, bro? You have headphones? Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything.

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You moved from which neighborhood in Ridgewood to which neighborhood in Ridgewood? I actually moved back to Bed-Stuy. Okay, from Ridgewood, though. I wasn't wrong, right? No, you were right. Okay, Nate, sorry to interrupt. For our listeners at home who are not familiar with the five boroughs, is that considered a lateral move, or is that moving on up or moving on down, going from Ridge to Bed-Stuy? Geographically? No, no, no. Financially. Financially. Rentally. I'm saving a lot of money by moving here. Really? I thought Bed-Stuy was a place where white people go to buy brownstones, but you're saying that Ridgewood has been populated by so many Bushwick types that the prices are up. I mean, Ridgewood is kind of essentially Bushwick. I mean, I could jog. to bushwick in less than two minutes from my old house like i was i wasn't like deep ridgewood or anything it was you can get there faster on foot than an uber that's how close you are yeah exactly i i've said this before on the on how long gone but i don't think i've ever been to ridgewood and i don't know and that's not even like i'm saying i'm too cool i just think i'm too old i mean it's there's a lot of good food okay i think that's that's okay i'm going to miss Okay, so Bedside is going to have less options for you food-wise. There are good options, but I lived almost directly above one of my favorite restaurants in the city. Oh, that's nice. Let's get into it, Nate. I'm a food lover. What is this restaurant, and what were they offering that you love so much? It's Cachapa Sea Moss. It's like Venezuelan street food. Whoa. Cachapa Sea Moss, you said? E-moss? Oh, E-moss. I thought it was C-moss. Jason, that's embarrassing as a Spanish speaker. I mean, it's like, yes. No, the Zoom connection is a little small. All right, so what is... Ciento, Mr. Chris. I'm not familiar with Venezuelan food, and I'm sure Jason is to some extent, but what are the hits? I mean, the chapa is kind of like a, as I understand it, a big, like, sweet corn pancake.

Oh. With whatever you want inside, like, flipped in half. That sounds pretty good. It's really fucking weird. Do you dip that in a sauce? No, but they got... The sauce is kind of like... The sauce is the sauce at that place, you know? Sure, sure. Chris, think of it as, like, an arepa. It's like a pancake quesadilla. So what are you putting inside of your sweet corn pancake? Usually, like... steak and fried cheese. Okay, shit. That's pretty awesome. That kind of sounds hard to fuck up. Are there any sides? Are there some potatoes to get your starch out? Some plantains? Some black beans? Yeah, they definitely got sides there. I realized I was actually just explaining this to someone, talking about why I'm going to miss this place. Getting the... It's like a little more food than I actually need to eat, but it's like exactly the amount of food that I want to eat. That's a sweet spot. You are a songwriter because that was a lyrical. That was a bar that you just dropped. That was bars. I've mentioned this. There's a famous Louis C.K. quote about eating. You don't stop when you're full. You stop when you hate yourself. It's a little bit of like... I'm always walking that line of, like, this is how much you want, and this is how much you should have. And then there's also the fear of not having enough, which usually makes you order a little more than you need. You know what I mean? True. And then you have to eat it. I do that all the time. Yeah. Yeah, you have to eat it. If you don't get the tostones on the side, then maybe the cachapas. Then what? We're getting ice cream on the way home and my whole diet shot. Okay, so Bed-Stuy. So you're going to go up to Bed-Stuy. We're going to get chopped cheese instead now. Is that what's going to go down? Yeah, like probably a lot of chicken over rice. From the boss man. Yeah. You're really diet focused. I like this. You know, it's funny because I'm actually not only I didn't just move back to Bed-Stuy. I actually moved back into the house that I lived in for years.

But I'm taking over more of it now. I used to have a bunch of, there used to be a bunch of people in this house, and now there aren't as many anymore. So you're kicking out the squatters now that the album's starting to do pretty good, huh? Best new music all you bitches get out of here. I got too much gear now. I got too much gear now. I need multiple rooms. No, it's more of a... I, uh, I'm moving back into the room that all that stuff got made in. It felt like, uh, so it's actually, which is kind of funny. I'm curious to see if what sort of vibe, cause it was weird after I moved, I did find like, I kind of like missed it a little bit, a lot, a little bit. It's like, uh, um, it's like full of like, ghosts and ideas and shit you know yeah no first no i mean that kind of i mean sometimes you got to return to the scene of the crime you know that's just what it is do you know any any history do you know the car facts on this house did anybody okay live there before any ghost tales so i got a i got a couple anecdotes so uh lay it on me um for a long time and i don't know if this is the case or not but it was um it was showing up on Google Maps as Russian Hostel. And apparently this used to be kind of like a scam hostel where people would show up thinking they booked a room and what they actually would get was just a space on the floor with like 10 other people in what is now my bedroom. So if these walls could talk, they would say call 911 in Russian? Yeah, it's strange. My doorframe is metal and has a big clip for a padlock on it, so I don't know what that means. You're back in the Russian insane asylum is what it sounds like. Yeah. Like I said, a lot of ghosts in here. That's actually pretty crazy. I didn't know where that was going, but that's like a pretty wild twist, I would say, on the dwelling. So you were like, okay, I used to live in a scammer Russian hostel where they'd sleep.

14 head to foot in a room with a metal door and a padded lock. You know what? Tour's over. I can't wait to get back there. Let's move all my stuff back into the eye of the storm, the center of pain and hell. But if it works, it works, huh? Did you feel like a spiritual energy pulling you back there? And if so, was it dark or was it light or neutral? I mean, it's been something that's been on my mind regardless. And if anything, it's kind of like, because I was here for a long time and I did, I made a lot of music here, but it was like a much, a rougher period of time. So it's almost more about like conquering and transforming what the space means to me. You're coming back to show the space who's boss. The house is proud of you, and you can feel that in the bones. They come back and be like, I told you so. And then the house is like, what if you started doing drugs again, Nate? Remember how good that was? Remember how good those songs were? I like the idea of you and the inanimate object and conversation about kind of where you are in life. I think that's super healthy. Hopefully I'll be able to pull it all off without talking to my room again. Yeah, let's hope. So how many people were there the first time and now how many people are there now? I lived here with four other people. Okay. The person that I moved here with, like a very dear old friend of mine and his partner downstairs and me and my partner, Al, who plays live in Lorelei and Lore from your eyes upstairs. Okay. So it'll be four of us, but it's like two couples. So it leads. Okay. So we're going Love Island mode in bed. I see where this is going. Okay. We got two couples. I can only imagine. How many water bottles, coffee setups, filtration systems? Are we fighting over the pour over? Is there an espresso thing, green teas, or a matcha ceremony? It's kind of a free-for-all. This house has grown up since the last time I was here. A lot of the walls have been painted, and the furniture is nicer. They got paint on the walls now, babies. There's a bunch of coffee shit that I don't understand.

There's some tech shit in there that you're a little anti. So are you making coffee, or do you zip down to the bodega for a little light and sweet? I'm a bodega guy. Honestly, I'm kind of just like a sugar-free monster person these days. But they didn't have it, so I'm drinking a Yerba Mate today. Okay, sugar-free monster. And just to be clear, calling yourself a sugar-free monster guy. You're talking about the energy drink monster and not you. You are not a sugar-free monster. When I don't get my chocolate, I turn into a fucking monster. It's not like that. No. Don't talk to me until I've had my nerds rope. My nerds rope. Actually, I saw you post a photo on your Instagram of the can of white monster. And then just yesterday, I was at Home Depot. And at the checkout line, you know, there's like... whatever, you know, tape and cleaning supplies, and then White Monster. And I was starting to feel like Home Depot probably sells more White Monster than any other store in America. That is actually interesting. I think it's the best one. America runs on Monster. So I wanted to ask you about the tasting notes about this White Monster. Yeah, I want to know what white flavor is. Sometimes, if you get one of them, sometimes they have this spiel on the side that says, Like the monster girls asked and we answered. They wanted a new drink with a lighter flavor and no sugar that still packs all the punch. So I'm like a white monster girl, essentially. Okay, I think I pulled this up. Let me open image in a new tab so I can just get a zoom in. Some people are impossible to please. As soon as they get what they thought they wanted, they always want more. Our team riders and monster girls are no different. They've been dropping some hints lately. They've been asking us for a new monster drink, a little less sweet, lighter tasting, zero sugar, but with a full load of our monster blend. Sure, white is the new black.

We want all our Monster Energy Ultra. Unleash the Ultra Beast. The Ultra Beast. Okay. Okay. So you and the girls... Demanded it. Demanded. And they answered. Yeah. All of this being said, and that was a beautiful... Jason, thank you for that reading. It was beautiful. And Nate, you did a good job kind of summarizing it. Yeah. I kind of got the gist. I've still, after all of this information that I've downloaded from the Monster Can, I still don't know what it tastes like. It tastes like ultra. Okay. Yeah. It feels like the Michelob Ultra of monster. Yeah. Okay. But would you say fruity? Would you say cola-esque? Would you say, like, what is the overall, like, the overbite? You can't ask a man to describe what a monster tastes like, Chris. It's different for everyone. I don't think that's true. I'm comfortable saying it's definitely not cola-esque. Okay. Yeah, yeah, we can do that. When I was in Durham over the weekend, I didn't know. Jason, did you know that LaCroix makes a cola flavor? I think I did. Yeah, it's rare, though. It might be only available in certain parts of America. It's like red, white, and blue packaging. It's kind of patriotic, which makes sense, I guess, for a cola flavor. But I didn't try one. I just asked ChatGPT what Monster Energy drink tastes like. It has a citrusy, slightly syrupy soda with a bold, sweet tang. Okay. Nate, how many are we taking to the Dome per day? Sometimes two. I try not to make it. I mean, so I like something that... really didn't go away when i stopped drinking is i'm still just like i'm a i'm a beverage guy i like kind of like uh like i drink like a fucked up amount of gatorade okay um all right so you're you're you're but kind of like whatever is in front of you or gatorade and monster um it can be whatever i kind of are you a little bit of a anything but water kind of drinker no i try i drink a lot of water too good good just wanted to check i've actually been kind of uh For the first time ever, I had a Diet Dr. Pepper because there was a whole scene about it. And I watched this, like, fucked up show that I'd never heard of before called Preacher. Do y'all know about this show? Uh-huh. It's like, it's like a... No, no. Like, kind of like this crazy superhero thing with this, like, God energy that starts inhabiting preachers. And then they all just, like, explode in front of their congregation.

And it goes into this one dude, but it doesn't kill him. So he becomes like a super pastor. Yeah, but it's like super weird. There's this whole thing with like... god being this kind of like disgruntled pissed off dude who's just fed up and he like drinks a diet dr pepper he's like well at least i got one fucking thing right so okay so god on preacher the character of god hates everything except diet dr except diet dr pepper yeah well that's a pretty good endorsement i guess for trying it yeah so i try i tried it i have one every once in a while i feel like it's got to be out of a can though i'm not about uh sodas in plastic bottles it never quite works i agree with you i've never had a diet dr pepper jason i'm sure you have i think i have i know it's like sort of uh it's become like a little bit of a favorite favorite thing yeah i mean i like to do a fountain coca-cola with a splash of dr pepper right on top nice just enough you know what i mean what makes the dp what is the flavor note of the dp that separates it from coke like what chris chris chris that's like asking coca-cola to divulge their secret recipe no no well but it's a they make a big deal about the the number though because it's like they're like it's a blend of 23 different flavors or something okay okay i think i feel like it got leaked at some point or something i don't know yeah there are there are 20 yeah it's Cola, cherry, licorice, amaretto, vanilla, blackberry, apricot. Maybe it's the cherry, though. I haven't had a Dr. Pepper in probably 15 years. Sarsaparilla, plum, it's all over the place. But it's the ratio. There's also something called prickly ash, as well as juniper, birch, and coriander, and allspice. It's all over the place. But there's scientists on TikTok that will take Coca-Cola or Dr. Pepper, and they'll reverse-engineer the molecular structure of it. to find out exactly what the ratios are, which feels a little dangerous if you're a bit cooler, right? Oh, yeah. No. Somebody in a red shirt is going to knock on your door late at night, and you're going to disappear. Yeah, I mean, it's sort of like, to bring it back to music, it's like how AI can just take your album and then separate every single instrument perfectly, and then somebody can just take your drum hits and your bass tones and your everything and then just make new music out of it, right?

I guess you could. I do it every day to you. Yeah, you do it. Okay. I have a Nate sample pack if you want it. Waves or AFES, whatever you want. I'd love it. I can use some new sounds. That would make my life a lot easier, actually, if you could just send it to me. I'd save you some time. At least they'd be all in one folder on my computer. Yeah, you just need a secretary to manage all of your samples, right? Exactly. Are you not super organized with your files, bro? I'm, like, kind of. I'm pretty bad about it. He's getting better. I like the really fucked up AI tools, like the old ones from the stem separators from, like, four years ago that are still online for some reason. They work really badly. What do you like about them? You know, I haven't used them that much, but I like... like, misusing online tools like that. Like, there's some really amazing, like, horrible audio-to-midi generators that will just turn anything into a fucking nightmare. I know what you mean. I know what you mean. And just for fun. But the stem-splitting thing is fun, but I don't have a... My ideas get, like, way too extreme too quickly. Every once in a while, it's worth it. I think it's the only public thing on my... SoundCloud is a mashup I made. It's just the vocals from Heroin by The Velvet Underground over the music from Brick by Ben Folds 5. And it's like, honestly... Honestly, I can see that work. It works so well, but it's like so cursed and it sounds really fucked up because I use this horrible website. I'm trying to do it. But I don't think I should be let anywhere near stem splitters. It just seems like a slippery slope. Keep this guy away from the stem splitters. It feels like a new union, though. It does feel like a union. Local 43 stem splitters. Yeah, it really does sound like a union. It's a plumbing thing.

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We talk a lot about fitness on How Long Gone. I was reading about your kind of fitness journey, and I have to say I was very impressed by your sort of diligence when it comes to body weight workouts. I mean, it got really crazy for a little while. I wish I could get back on that tip. For what it's worth, it wasn't particularly healthy. Sure. It was like a... But yeah, it was crazy. I got, I ended up getting to a point where I could just kind of indefinitely do pushups for like, I was like, I was, cause I was, the whole thing started cause I was trying to, uh, I was trying to stop smoking weed. Get off the gas. Yeah. Get off the gas. Get off the gas. And, uh, at that, at, at that point I'd been like away from other stuff for like a full year, but weed was the thing I was like, I gotta like just. I got to just, like, raw dog. The final boss. The final boss. And so every time I, like, wanted to smoke weed, I would just light a cigarette and force myself to do push-ups to the best of my ability until I'd smoked the entire cigarette. Okay, so you got to the point where you could do push-ups indefinitely, which is already an amazing feat. Or at least, like... You know, long enough for me to get bored and just like I would get bored before I got hundreds and hundreds of them in a row. See, that implies that I can avoid getting bored that easily. I don't I don't think I ever really like tried to take it beyond like 70 at a time or something. Yeah, I would do that like fair. I would do that like every couple hours or something. The average person cannot. Come close to doing 10. When I started, I couldn't. But you're saying you're doing this with a cigarette in your mouth? Yeah, that was my reward system. If I was actively working out, I would smoke a cigarette, but no weed. I mean, I guess I was also smoking cigarettes otherwise, but I was like... But I'm trying to understand. You're on the ground doing the push-up cigarette in mouth. Yeah. Little pile of ash on the floor at the end. Sweep it up.

Okay, and then Chris is a big workout guy, and his trainer named Hunter, he'll probably tell Chris to get into his breathing and, you know, inhale and then exhale when you're pushing out. Yeah. So how are you managing your breath work while you had the camel crush dangling from your lips? I mean, just like a lot of sweating and cursing and general anger. Okay, okay. I wasn't thinking about breathing that much. I need to do anything except smoke weed, so I'm just going to go loco right now. Yeah, it was that. It's beautiful. I was doing push-ups and crunches, and then I would watch TV and lift guitars because I didn't have weights or anything. What? Okay. I was watching this show called The Bridge, like an FX show. It was like a crime show, and I would just sit there. So we got The Preacher, we got Bridge, and we're doing Lenny Kravitz workouts. He's lifting the coconuts and shit, but you're doing it with a... You got the Paul Reed Smith on the left and the SG on the right? What are we talking about? No, we're talking... I mean, I only had... I only had one bass and one electric guitar at this point. So I have like this old Fender Mustang that I've had since I was a small child. It's like beat to shit. gibson les paul tribute from like 2019 les paul feels heavy les paul feels heavy they're both pretty they're both pretty heavy i don't know exactly how they're both pretty heavy for a guitar but they both not for a weight they weigh under 10 pounds you guys this is like six to eight pounds probably like eight pounds yeah something like that okay so you were doing you're doing seven seven and point five curls but you would do like hundreds of them yeah i would kind of just like do them until i was like until i felt like i really needed to stop and then then i would just begin again like an hour later you know i feel like if shit ever went south and you had to do a little jail time i think you'd be just fine i think you'd be a okay in there i think i could uh

at the very least i think i'd be in better shape the thing is is all it took was me going on tour one time and all these patterns just straight up disappeared i haven't done a fucking push-up since that summer pretty much do you think you can get back into it or do you think this was a one time i think i could get back into it if i just that's why he moved back to the scene of the crime yeah i mean i was in a much better shape when i lived here well do you do you notice a difference in the way your body looks now and then when you were doing 500 push-ups a day and a thousand crunches yeah definitely definitely did your body definitely looked better when you were doing 1500 crunches a day yeah yeah i would say i uh but but were you buff though i wasn't like you i wasn't like jacked and this whole period was like it lasted like it went away after like three months so i mostly just like got in shape and i was way better at carrying heavy shit for like a couple months afterwards right you're loading base cabs no problem yeah two at a time yeah and now i'm uh i moved yesterday and i realized like i was like man this is like way harder than last time you lost you lost because i'm out you it's we've atrophied i'm weak again i mean you're learning about life but it got you i mean so you stopped smoking weed yeah i stopped smoking weed for like a year and a half oh but you're but you're back Yeah, I smoke weed sometimes now. I mean, smoking weed, that was never something that I was like, I want to stop this forever, which is very much my attitude towards hard drugs and alcohol. But weed, I was just kind of like, I feel like I got to just go totally sober for at least a year. Okay. Shake it. Yeah, it was like a level two after quitting. drinking kind of just to see if i could were you getting fucked up before you got on stage yeah i mean always back in the day yeah i mean i was just i was just i like for a long time i was just like always drunk pretty much like really yeah no i was like in hindsight it's baffling to me that i because i was i was really functional like it took a long time for it to get to a point where

i like obviously like needed help but did somebody step in or did you do you saw the writing on the wall i got dragged to a doctor by a friend okay and the doctor was just and the doctor was just like dude like this is not good at all like things are going to begin looking real bleak real quick if you don't make some serious changes i know that you were very you said you're very prolific like i was looking at your band camp How many songs did you release on Bandcamp while you were drunk every day? Oh, I mean, everything on Bandcamp that came out. I'll tell you, the most recent Lorelai album is the only Lorelai release or Water From Your Eyes release that falls outside of that grouping since 2018, 2019. But in those two years of... of being drunk every day all the time you you released hundreds of songs yeah i i was a way way way more productive than i am which is which is the scariest way to be a a drunk or a drug addict well that was the thing is it was where yeah it's the it's not hurting it yeah no i mean it was going it didn't hurt anything until it began to like except the inside of your body in your mind yeah it became like a physical health thing at a certain point but um but yeah it's actually like really crazy to listen to stuff from that time period because i just straight up like you know i remember making maybe like 10 of those songs but are you are you like damn some of this shit rocks i'm a genius or are you like wow this is sloppy as fuck what was i doing uh it it goes it goes back and forth sometimes i'll hear something i'm just like fuck like how did i do that and how how can i do something like that again and sometimes i hear i was just like something and i'm like yeah like this one probably could have just been cut or whatever but part of you know part of the concept with lore life for a long time was for it to be like largely unedited you know it was part of the working process and there was still like there's stuff that never came out unedited from like a uh like total songs standpoint or like yeah like okay okay like every every album

would essentially be like okay i'm gonna like spend like two and a half weeks just making as much music as i can and it's all gonna come out as like part of this thing that's an interesting approach i mean it was nice because it took it took out a lot of the worrying about it i feel like i could put together a hell of a compilation but there's definitely some out there that i feel Neutral at best about. Yeah. I mean, I think that's anyone with any output is going to feel neutral at best about some of the product. That's just what it is. That's very true. They don't remember the stinkers, you know? The Beatles wrote more bad songs than good, but no one ever cares, right? You think so? The Stones, the list goes on. Yeah, it goes on. I mean, maybe more Stones than Beatles, but, you know, for bands like that who have, you know. Yeah, totally. They recorded thousands and thousands of songs. most of them are going to be stinkers compared to their big shit. It used to be so much harder to record also, and now it's the kind of thing like you can... have like a horrible idea and then it's like reality within like an hour well you just described every podcast that starts as well yeah that's the perfect podcast description but i mean that's that's the age-old debate of like yes it's awesome every genius kid you know every skrillex in the middle of nowhere can become a superstar but then the problem is every other person who is not even close to being skrillex we have to listen to their shit watch their horrible short film, listen to their awful podcast, whatever it might be. But you're one of the good ones, Nate. Don't worry. You're both prolific, but the shit is actually good. So for the album that's going to come out, the deluxe version of the album, it's got, what, like 30... songs on it or something like how many songs are i i i wish they no there are only three extra songs on it well i mean i mean total total for the whole record yeah it's probably like 30 right no it's like 13 because there were 10 there are 10 songs on the album there are three new things okay the three new it's it's lindsey it's jake and then it's is it your parents it's my dad and my sister so your dad and your sister are covering your song yeah it's kind of like a

it's not fully a cover because it's using like stuff that i did too the idea was for you know all three of them are kind of like collaborations yeah yeah but yeah uh lead vocals and some instrumentation by my dad and my sister what does your dad play he plays guitar on this recording but he's a hell of a banjo player he's a bluegrass musician and i uh this motherfucker can pick oh dude he's like uh he's a much better musician than i am okay so why why did you clip this bird's wings and not let him do what he does best on on his on his boy's album honestly this he he had been kind of like ever since that he'd heard that song because he's doing a angel's eye he was always just like i might cover this someday and i and i was like i hear you say that about a lot of things like you should actually do it and then um which he to be fair he does he does often he does eventually do these things but um this seemed like a great excuse to give him a deadline for it i was like all right yeah i was like you want to do this like what what did your sister play she sings so on the album you know One of the reasons I wanted them to do it is because that song is a duet, even though I just kind of sang the two parts. So I thought it'd be cool for their... You're singing both parts on that song, the original one? Yeah. One of them sounds like a chick, though, bro. You already know that, right? Yeah. No, that was... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I listened to it this morning. I was like, who is this beautiful girl singing? But it's Nate. Did you use technology to change that, or was it all in the mental? Kind of. The program that I use to record has a speed knob that functions like a speed knob on a tape machine. So if you slow it down a little bit to record the vocals, then you can speed them up and sound a little higher. Like how they film music videos, so you go like this. Yeah, exactly. There are a lot of bands that I like that.

utilize that stuff a lot. Ween does that a lot. I mean, pretty much all of Sergeant Pepper, the album, is sped up a little bit like that. Feels very ween-like. You a big ween guy, Nate? I think that ween was the final evolution of rock and roll, and everything since then has been a reflection of something else that has already happened. I've never been able to understand ween, but I know people like you, and they're also very prolific. There's a lot of music to take in. Yeah, definitely. that I was never wean-pilled. I mean, I knew the wean songs when I was a kid in the 90s and their iconic album covers with the under boobs, you know, all that shit. It was cool. But the people who I respect in terms of musical taste that are wean heads... i'm jealous you know it's like somebody who's able to eat you know it's like people who can appreciate these rare wines or like when you go get sushi and they're like this is like the fucked up like liver from this weird fish from the and i eat it i'm like that except i'm showing you songs from the pod or something like i mean ween ween is to me like another version of like the dead or the fish or something where it's like people fucking love it and i just don't get it i mean There are a lot of fun elements that made me aware of Ween back in the day. It wasn't until a couple years ago that I kind of clicked for me, just from a song craft perspective, how advanced they are. To me, they're essentially like the Steely Dan of the 90s, where they have their own thing going on. that it seems like their own secret world that no one else will fully understand that's a that's a really nice way to put it i i totally agree they're like in their own world and it works and then in like the year 2045 we'll all be like oh yeah ween we should have known like like like we'll all catch up and eventually understand that ween is god but uh on on your song two legs yeah i was listening to that

maybe high maybe not and i was like this boy you sound like elliot smith on this song what is what is your elliot smith diet i you know i really in terms of consumption of his music not what he was eating and drinking yeah i'm on the elliot smith diet right now r.i.p me these days i don't find myself listening to him that often but he was like a crucial discovery for me in high school um yeah uh i had a friend burn a cd for me that kind of i think it was a it was figure eight yeah and that kind of like blew my mind you kind of have a elliot smith haircut too bro But it's your heart, not mine that's scarred. So when I go home, I'll be happy to go. You're just somebody that I used to know. Dude, I need a haircut so bad. I keep telling myself that I'm going to get one, and then all of a sudden it's just like three months later. I don't want to let my hair get too long because it crosses a point. So a long time ago, like decade ago when i was in my early 20s i had hair like down to here and like a big fucking beard i was like i looked like a wizard ass motherfucker yeah i put more like like almond brother type okay all right all right okay that's funny that's where i was gonna go i was thinking more southern fried southern fried yeah So this look right now is the reined-in version. This is the after of your Queer Eye makeover from what you were looking like before. Yeah. This is about as long as it needs to get these days. I feel like there's probably someone in your circle that works at a nice hair salon that would love to give you a touch-up. No, I have a friend who is a... Hair artist?

a hair artist who is very expensive unless i just go to his apartment and then it's like very chill and yeah i know for it so bro you're a rock star make make him come to bedside the real luxury in life the real luxury one of life's great luxuries is a haircut at home i have not reached that pinnacle yet but i can see it in my future I've done that before, but it wasn't a fancy thing. It was just the person didn't have anywhere to cut my hair. More of a DIY-style project. It was 11 a.m. We were both drunk type thing. You had to sweep up the hair, but you still got a haircut at home. I cleaned it up myself, for sure. I know this is an audio podcast, so our listeners can't see your hair, but I feel like you have the hair of when you are hanging out with these hair artist types. People will come up to you and kind of touch it and admire it and covet it of like, oh, I would love to. Oh, my God, I'm so jealous of your hair, of your whatever it is. You probably get that a lot, right? It's happened. It's not a constant thing. It's not a constant. He's so humble, Jason. He's not going to. I'm just saying, you know, these artists will look at your hair as like, oh, that's one of those good canvases that money can't buy. You can't do a tutorial. to get your hair looking like that, it's just in you, you know? You just gotta wake up like it. What's your washing cycle? I woke up like this? What's your washing cycle? Honestly, like, I... He's like, next question? I haven't put anything other than water in my hair for, like, 12 years. Like, uh, it's really strange. 12 years! Water from your hair for 12 years? Water from your hair. Water in your hair? Oh, like, or I guess, I have, like, Every once in a while, I'll be like, I should shampoo my hair, and then it turns me into just a sheepdog. All my hair just lies down super flat, and I'm like, I have no idea what to do with this. You need those natural oils to give you the flavor. So you go get a haircut once a year, and then before that haircut, you don't think to yourself, maybe I should wash my hair before the artist? No, it's definitely been washed.

okay like in situations like that i guess the thing for me is like if i uh if I wash it and then I'm not really good at washing it, it gets way, way greasier. You mean really good at washing it, do you mean thorough, or is there like a technique that you're speaking of specifically? I don't know. If shampoo or anything goes in there, it just amps up the grease production, essentially, I guess. It's like creatine for the grease. It really gets pumping. It always feels like... weird for like a week after yeah this is exactly the kind of life upgrade that i've been trying to make in sobriety and every once in a while i'm just like that would probably be a good thing it was easter 420 earth day april 22nd shampoo day yeah why not let's let's do it so you know every year it's time to wash my hair again yeah Perfect. Perfect. I'll fill it on my Google calendar. Yes, I mean, these are the milestones. Speaking of weed, I wanted to talk to you about what your weed style was, what kind of gas you were smoking on, strains, types, what style of stoner you were. constantly exhausted all the time so i'm a sativa person if anything okay uh bongs blunts bubblers um it kind of depends so i was i was never a spliff guy until i moved to new york and then i became pretty much like you're a spliff star i was a spliff star so it was like uh i essentially just alternate cigarettes and spliffs and smoke constantly throughout the day okay In my room. I don't smoke in my room anymore. Okay. That's a big step. I decided that was a big step. Hashtag growth, baby. What's your brand of cigarette? I'm a Marlboro Red guy. I don't know what that is. Marlboro Red. Oh, oh, oh. I thought you said, I'm sorry. I thought you said Marlboroette, like a dancer. Marlboroette. Yeah, I don't know what that is.

It's a new Capri Marlboro Red. Are you from Virginia? I did live in Virginia for a while growing up, actually. Funny you should ask. Not in like, not in like a, not in, uh, what is it? Is it in Richmond where all the Philip Morris stuff is? Yeah. Not that I was kind of closer to. I was close to D.C., but not close enough to D.C. that it was like an immediate. Were you in cigarette Virginia or Indian guy Virginia? There's two different paths. You know what I mean? I was a weird middle school, mid-Atlantic kind of Virginia. So I used to, after school, I would blow off steam by throwing my lacrosse ball against the back of Stonewall Jackson's house. Okay, I know that you're speaking in literal terms, but that sounds like a cryptic lyric. Sounds like a bright-eyes lyric. It really does. That's really good. It was strange. Okay, so you would go to Stonewall's Duplex? There was a field across the street from me. I would walk down this alley. It was like a field. I would throw footballs in and stuff. One of the buildings bordering it was just... stonewall jackson's like mute house museum thing yeah yeah well i'm more i'm more shocked that you were a lacrosse player yeah in middle school i mean it's so it's mid-atlantic i mean that shit was everywhere i did you smoke were you smoking cigarettes yet or now No, I was not. Okay, okay, okay. I started smoking cigarettes pretty much at the beginning of, like, high school. That's a smart time to start, I would say. It felt like, you know, I mean, that's when you start. It feels right. Not too early, not too late. Yeah, it feels natural. No one can judge you for that. That's, like, what people do. Yeah, I feel like if you're middle schoolers smoking, then that's, like, going to set off. Then it's like, oh, there must be trouble at home. 100% trouble at home. Smoking at high school, you're like. Oh, you're a cool chick. You're probably a fun person to hang out. Smoking middle school, you're like, ugh. My sports time and my smoking time did overlap throughout high school. Seems to be a theme for your entire life. Yeah. I mean, do you have other sort of reward systems in place for productivity?

Not really. If Daddy does the push-ups, you get the cigarette, but for something else? If I finish a song, I can get an ice cream? The situation is different now, because now if I make an album that's good and I turn it in... I get paid for it. I never used to make any money. That's a super big deal. That's a big difference. That's the reward system now is that I do my job and I'm given money with which to survive. I just love your meeting with your manager or record label and like, all right, if you record an album and it's good. We'll give you money for it. Yeah. How does that sound? You like that? Where do I sign? Where do I sign? But it has to be good. It's kind of like free money because I feel like I'm like doomed to make the it's going to be like a focus for me anyway. So you're going to be doing this shit regardless. So it's mailbox money. I mean, that's truly the way you should be doing it. That means you're an actual artist. Not like us. It's a better outlook. No, I only do any. I only do things for money. And hopefully you get there one day. We'll see how much growth we can have, but hopefully one day you can be like us where you hate everything and only do stuff for money because you have to. As long as there's a brand involved that we align with. Yeah, of course. Speaking of last weed question, I was at Coachella hanging out with a friend and a fellow musician, and he said that he would stop smoking weed if the nightmares didn't happen. What is your marijuana nightmare relationship? Yeah, I mean, weed really helps. I generally have, like, kind of wacko night terrors. Not as bad as I used to. Okay. But in the period of time when I had just, like, it was really gnarly right after I quit drinking in particular. I would get, like, sleep paralysis every night. You know, like, I...

I understand why people, like, thought they were possessed back in the day because that shit, like, is terrifying and, like, the faceless thing creeping towards you and whatnot. Hell no. The demon is real. Yeah. It was horrible. I, like, didn't, I never wanted to go to sleep because I knew if I did, I would just, like, watch this thing happen. It would always just, like, I would watch it come up to the front of the bed and then, like, go down underneath the bed. Oof. And then, like, I got pretty good at waking myself up from them because, like, When you're in that like half dreaming, half awake state, whatever, there's a chemical that keeps you from actually moving around when you're dreaming. And that just isn't making its way to where it needs to go. But if you like wiggle your fingers and the tips of your toes, it can speed up the process a little bit. But the big one is sleeping on your side. If I fall asleep on my back, it still happens to me. It will still happen. Yeah, it's, like, down a lot, but I get a couple of, like, I think at this point it's, like, four or five times a year. Okay. I'll do, like, the screaming. Don't come visit. There are monies where they go, just in your sleep. And, like, all it takes is someone, like, touching you. It's just like, yo, you're screaming. Did you warn your girl about this before? You know what I'm saying? There was a period of time where I would warn anybody I was touring with and anybody we were crashing with about it. It's a little awkward, but if you hear me screaming in the middle of the night, don't worry about it. It's all good. I know we're in your parents' basement, and they might get alarmed, but just let them know. We listen to music. We kind of assume that you would be doing that. Super surprising to us. It'd be odd if you didn't. I was actually with your bandmate this weekend. Oh, no shit. We had dinner, yeah, and they told me about the Interpol stuff, which I wasn't aware of, and 120,000 people is a big crowd.

spooky we're talking about the band or are we talking about the government yeah they know they opened for interpol and it was like they were telling me that you had a full-on police escort and shit yeah no that was great well is that the zocalo like in the middle of mexico city like by the old pyramids and stuff and i don't know that was such like a kind of like a fever dream that was like almost like it was like too much to process in the moment Okay, so you opened for Interpol in Mexico City. Yeah. They're famously one of those bands that can draw gigantic crowds over there. It was a giant free show, too. Oh, it was free. Yeah. You still got paid, though, I hope. Yeah, we got paid. Okay, good. It was put on by the government or something. I can't remember exactly what the context was. It was put on by Interpol. Imagine if Donald Trump was like, We're doing a concert for America and D.C. I'm going to get Interpol and Water From Your Eyes to kind of set this shit off. There's a lot of goth Latinos, so it does make sense to subsidize that, keep you guys happy. Interpol, Water From Your Eyes, Kid Rock would be the lineup. I mean, I've seen worse lineups. I think the good part about that is I saw footage of Coachella happening here in L.A., which is famously a pretty vapid town. like a disco DJ right before a gangster rap act or something like that, you'll have a bunch of people just standing there pissed off, throwing shit at the opener. But I feel like when you're opening for Interpol, most of those 120,000 people are there for Interpol, I'm assuming, and not so much for you, but they were probably very... I mean, I'm sure you had some fans, but they were probably very welcoming and receptive to you. They really were. I mean, that was... Pretty trippy. I mean, that concert, I feel like we actually reached a lot of people, especially in terms of shows we played opening for Interpol, because we've done tours with them where...

Their fans have not liked us very much. Okay. You know what's funny? Interpol fans. Let's name some cities, brother. Interpol fans are literally Jason and I. It's our age group, like early 40s. We were doing coke with them in the early 2000s, and I can only imagine some of the blowback that you received. Yeah, there were... For a long time, if you Googled water from your eyes, all the stuff that would come up was like people hating on water from your eyes. R slash Interpol? Yeah, in the Interpol. There was one I remember that was just like, I got a babysitter for this. Yeah, well, it was, like, a lot that were being, like, yo, like, don't show up early to these shows. This opening band is, like, unlistenable. Wow. This happens to us whenever we have a big guest. If you check their Reddit, they're like, all right, the interview starts. These guys are so annoying. Fast forward through the first 15 minutes, and then you'll get to the interview. Yeah. Meanwhile, they go, how are things on the West Coast? And they go, ah! You know, the funniest one on that tour, so the first time we toured with them, it was us, Spoon, and Interpol. And there was a brief split where we had one show with just Spoon and one show with just Interpol. maybe in an outside way us opening for interpol made sense but at the time too like we didn't have live drums or a second guitar it was just me rachel and a laptop me pressing play on the laptop and just making like 47 year old guys love that horrible noise on guitar just like but we ended up so our soul our show opening for just spoon was at the fucking rhyman in nashville and um so like they saw you loading in and like two guys like quit on the spot like two stage handlers like i ain't doing this shit hell no why why nona judd came backstage and knocked on the door and said you gotta go i'll just never forget it just all these people like sitting down like families there to see spoon and we were like we should dress up for this so we like got all dressed up and went out and opened with like

a 12 minute long noise loop. And just like every, everyone was just like, kind of like covering their ears. And, uh, we sold one item of merge at that show. Just so they could burn it on TikTok? Yeah, this guy was just like, hey, that was so cool. I felt like I was in a basement in Boston or something. Cool, okay. They were like, all right, I guess I'll take it. We'll take it. Enjoy your t-shirt. That's really funny. No shade to spoon, but they kind of make music for Oldsmobile commercials, but it doesn't seem like a great pairing. I don't think... us opening for spoon would have ever happened in any other context other than it being that spoon is spoon is spoon has three or four really good songs but it's like record store employee music you know what i'm saying it's like that that's what i think of no need to comment on your end where we can do all the shit talking no i say well so that was actually like a really funny thing about that tour because i wasn't particularly familiar with inner with either bands music at the time but interpol i knew what they sounded like and i realized that's because yeah yeah they have like a very very particular sound that was like established from the very beginning and it stayed yeah it's very and spoon sounds like indie rock well spoon's funny because i was like i the first time i watched them i was like well now i'll know what spoon sounds like and then i realized i knew I knew pretty much every song they played, but just had no idea that they were spoon songs or even songs by the same band. It was just funny because that tour, it was two totally opposite things where there were also Interpol songs that I had never heard before, but I essentially had because they work in such a focused way. But that tour was interesting for that reason. It was two very different things. Look, I think you have a good outlook on it. I think you have a good outlook on it. Well, it seems like you have a – I've got one more question. You have a deep relationship with mid-level television on Hulu and Amazon and things like that. And I was making a joke at the beginning of the pod referencing electronic producer Zedd performing the Severance.

theme song at coachella with like an orchestra and then like a couple years ago like djs would play like the white lotus theme song at the club and people would go crazy if you were to cover a television theme live what would it be um can't say preacher voyager star trek star trek voyager yeah okay yeah i'm re-watching it right now so that's what i'm thinking about i thought i i watched all of I guess not including, because now it's different. Man, you're a TV junkie. I like this about you, Nate. Yeah, I spend a lot of time watching TV. I love the old Star Trek. I like the new Star Trek, too, but, like, there's a very stark difference between, like, pre- and post-J.J. Abrams' Star Trek, where now it's like the TV shows all feel like a movie, whereas it was all, like, very kind of, like... Episodic before? Well, it felt like... plays like they were all like stage actors and stuff so it's different yeah yeah yeah that original uh star trek up up all the way up through the scott bacula one uh not bacula i've watched first bacula on how long gone ever so congratulations you know speaking of reddit it's funny i typed in star trek voyager theme song the very first google hit Star Trek Voyager has an amazing theme song. I love, love, love the theme song, especially in the highs. I can imagine it being an anthem. It's a great one. So it is an anthemic song. I'll play it in the episode. Don't worry. But I think this is going to be, you know, for Bandcamp Friday or some record store day. Record store day next year. We'll do it. Star Trek, you know, plasma green seven inch is going to be sick, bro. That was awesome. What kind of water do they drink in Star Trek? phasers from your eyes some shit like that we're just we're thinking outside the box right now got him um all right nate thank you for joining us um i love the lorelei record i think it's great i can't wait for the next one yeah um and uh thanks so much hopefully we'll see you soon and we appreciate your time oh yeah thanks for having me thanks bob

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