859. - Tame Impala

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? It is Chris Black. It's a beautiful Sunday here in St. Augustine, Florida. Swamp thing, still in full force. Jason, what's up with you? You are the Swamp Thing. I am, I guess, you know, a little pre-9 a.m. pod. The money doesn't sleep. I've had a few party-ish going out to the restaurant and having alcohol and driving around days. Going to the restaurant and having alcohol? is a great description of what dinner is for a lot of people. Not to MJ Lenderman lyric generator. That's the sauce that I've been drinking the last couple days. That's the type of time TJ been on. Yeah, because when you come back from NYC and every day is like that, we're going to go have dirty, skinny martinis that has olives and lemon slices in it. And then we're going to have, you know, fucking some oysters that are not that good and some weird shit and cigs and walking and rain and Ubers. I've spent too much money on Ubers this last week. Probably like $800 in Ubers. Okay, mom, relax. Well, that's because you don't, that's because you refuse to get around New York the smart way. And that's something that you need to deal with because the Uber.

Uber in New York is one of the most useless tools that is... I've been riding city bikes, bro. I've been riding bikes. That shit's still expensive. Uber in New York gets you nowhere fast and costs double what it should. And I will take it, of course, in a pinch. But I think that once you embrace subway taking no Kareem, you'll be able to... to get places faster and much more cheaply, even though the subway price continues to rise. This is why I don't live. Yeah, but I don't live there. I love walking out of an activation and getting into a car, even if it's a Toyota Highlander that's all dusty, and just sitting in there, and it's just me and the homie. And that's it. I don't know where we are. I don't care if he's going uptown when I'm living downtown. I don't know if he's taking the West Side Highway or the East River or whatever. I look up when he says, you're here. And then that's it. And that's what it's all about. I don't have to have my wits about me on NYC's on Zoran subway. I mean, the statements of the subway being dangerous are funny as someone who takes it. I mean, not every day, but pretty often. But, you know, that's so you're saying that's BS. It's safe. I think New York is actually one of the, I think a city that's densely populated is safer. Like I think walking around alone at night in the fucking behind the Aldi in St. Augustine feels more dangerous to me than being in Soho at 3 a.m. You know what I mean? I think strictly because of the amount of people around, you're never alone, which feels more safe overall. Okay, what about the St. Augustine subway? Is that safer? Let's do an A-to-A, not an A-B comp, let's do an A-to-A comp. The tomatoes weren't super fresh, but the sandwich was fine. Oh, got it, got it. You're flopping on me. They don't have any public transportation here because everyone's issued a truck or sort of a shitty Toyota Camry upon moving into the zip code, I think. What do my DUI homies do down there in Florida, though? I know they got more than a couple. Dude, the amount of – it might be a prerequisite. I just think Florida and DUI is truly a match made in heaven because it's always nice out. So you're always at the bar.

You're having a couple beers with the fellas after you leave the site for the day. You get back in the fucking F-250 with the big wheels and the lift kit on it. And you drive home and they light you up. And you think it would be maybe some sort of good old boy, you know. Like, oh, we went to high school together. Maybe I'll let you off this time. But I feel like the cops here take it too seriously to even let their boys go the other way after having too many fireballs. That's fucking horseshit. Back in my day, you'd give them a little escort home. You know what I mean? You can't pull me over. I'm already being pulled over. You can't pull me over twice while I'm being pulled over. Yeah, you got to escort me. You got to escort me home. That'd be the right thing to do. You can't fuck me. There's already a dick in here. And they're like, well, actually. Okay, so. Shout out to our friends at W Magazine as well as Khloe, the clothing company. Not Kardashian, not wise. Had a great dinner with the Dub Magazine. It was a hot room, Chris. Heavy room. We're talking about Dub Magazine. Oh, I see. You're shortening. I was like, wow, I didn't know we were going back to a car magazine from the early 2000s. But Jason contains multitudes, so I don't want to. It was the November release party. It had the game on. It had his new Yukon on there sitting on 22s. It's before the game. They totally did the back, and it's like there's so many speakers. No, there's a really crazy Mr. Cartoon spread if you keep going to the back. I just don't want you to forget. Man, if there was, I mean. If there was a W Magazine and a Dub Magazine crossover collab issue, could you imagine? I mean, it would take somebody like me to mastermind the creative direction of that. I don't know. I mean, Moonves is good, but I don't know if she can handle it. I think it's more of a... The reason that would work is because car companies are the only ones with money left. That's right. So their advertising dollars could go so far that, you know, if Sarah's bringing, you know... rolls royce and cadillac to the table and dub is bringing ford and chevy we've got the whole fucking market covered this is a good this is a good idea and some 4g's on the bentley rappers are much more sellable now than they ever have been you know even though playboy cardi beat up his girlfriend and a limo driver this weekend um i'm sure he he won't suffer any repercussions the way how could playboy cardi beat up a limo driver that's what i want to know

How could his little bitch ass beat up anybody? I don't know. Is it him or is it members of his squad? Because he doesn't feel like a bruiser to me. No, no. I mean, he went to jail. He got arrested for it. So, I mean, I would assume he had to throw those little weak little arms around. But I don't know. Nobody's surprised that he beat his girlfriend. No, of course not. But beating up and beating are two different things. You know what I mean? Like, did he win in the fight with the limo driver or did he, quote, unquote, beat him? Did you successfully defeat me or did you hit on me? Yeah. Hit up on me. Sorry. Did you punch on me or did you beat me up? It's two very different things. It really is. So I don't know. Did you land any overhead hammer shots? to the top of his pole. That motherfucker, he ain't ever lifted a hammer. I'm talking gun or Home Depot. He has never lifted a hammer. I'll say that. I've lifted more hammers than Playboy Cardi, and that is not saying a lot. That is not saying a lot. All right, so you went to the party. It looked fun. I saw the imagery. I would say best of the night, Addison Rae. She was looking the best. And that was a heavy room full of a lot of talent. When does Addison Rae not look the best? I mean, in this room full of, you know. Fannings and Sweeney's. My sister's from Conyers. We've got to give them props. Olivia Wilde's and Maya Rudolph's. Well, Olivia Wilde is a... Okay, okay. We've got our Devin Lees. It's all there. I don't trust her. I don't trust her. Nobody trusts Olivia Wilde. She'll hit you with... Olivia Wilde. They talk about Caitlyn Jenner or Matthew Broderick. They're just like, oh, I killed a guy with my car. Whoopsies, I'm all good. You already know Olivia Wilde's probably hit like four people, four homeless guys with her car. Oh, easily, easily, easily. We don't hear about it at all. No, you don't hear. That's how rich she is. I mean, I think she's like Julia Louis-Dreyfus level, like family money on top of the acting. And I'm sure she got half of, what's that bad soccer TV show that everybody liked? Ted Lasso? Yeah, she might have gotten half a Ted Lasso because she got kids with Homeboy. So she's really, she can cover up a lot of crimes is what I'm trying to say. She made a lasso money. Hey, we got a lasso money. Also, Nicole Richie, friend of the show, looking great. Nicole Richie, certified lifetime baddie. Nicole Richie can do no wrong in my mind. But friend of the show, not friend of the show, Jon Hamm, he's really, he's dressing like.

It's kind of hard to explain. He's entering like a pimpin', like a 70s pimpin' kind of phase. No, yeah, yeah. There's like burgundy tones and turtlenecks and like big kind of Terry Richardson glasses and pinky rings and, you know, satin garments that are a little too tight on them. Once again, fellas, stop experimenting. You like clothes too much or your stylist likes clothes too much. Somebody likes clothes too much. If you're Jon Hamm... No one wants to see you in anything but a suit because that is how we love you and remember you. So it's a very simple thing to achieve. And Ham is like, what if the suit was the color of like a bloody, bloody like Pepto-Bismol kind of vibe? It's just, there's just. And you're like, no, what if you have black or brown or blue? I don't know, man. These guys are having too much fun. Stop having fun. Yeah. Jacob Elordi, stop wearing lace socks or like, what is that material? Like a, like a shift, like a. a crocheted doily sock. You know, you know how I did. Yeah. I mean, I could go, he knows that they're still going to suck even where, even though you're wearing the doily socks, but that's the problem. He knows his power. He could wear, he could wear anything and it's still gonna, he still can take him down. I am another Hollywood double. We didn't talk about, we didn't, we didn't talk about what Hermes did. And I have to tell you this because it, I didn't like fully comprehended at first. So we go to this dinner. It's a 500-person dinner. It's unbelievable. It basically looks like a really well-designed award show. My Chloe dinner was a lot more intimate, but go ahead. You were saying something? It's T-Bone, Burnett, and Jack White, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, there's these musicians on stage that start playing. I'm like, who are these people? This is so weird. We're in Nashville. I don't recognize any of these people, and they don't look like Nashville session dogs. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. They don't look like the Wrecking Crew. Yeah, it was not the wrecking crew. So I get back from the bathroom and then, you know, Alison Mosshart comes up, they play a song, they do a cover, Jack White plays, whatever. And then at the end, because I'm sitting next to like the head of retail for North America at Hermes. So I'm in a French, broken French accent. I'm like, what was that? And he was like, oh, over a year ago, we polled our entire artisan staff and asked who could play music.

And we put together a band of Hermes employees, brought them to Nashville. They wrote an original song with Jack White. And then Alison Mosshart performed it. And I was like, that is the most OD shit. And then everybody left with, of course, a gatefold vinyl of the song. Courtesy of our friends at Third Man Records. Third Man, yeah. I wish it was 3-1-G. But it was one of the... It was one of the most twisted. I was just like, the layers to that are so, and these guys could play. It was no joke. I just like the idea of some Hermes French shift manager at the Atelier just getting on the loudspeaker like, which one of you likes T-Bone Pickens? Any of you? Any of you guys? I think they could all just shred. I don't know. Once I understood that, I was like, wow, this is like a whole different level. That's like a whole different thing that you've unlocked. Come to my office if you have a tube amp. Yeah. It's your garage. I didn't know French people even knew what pedal steel was. You know what I'm saying? I thought that was all news to them, but it was pretty insane. It was pretty insane. That sounds like a cool vibe. Sounds very cool. It was something. It was something. I did line dance a little bit. We'll talk about that later. No way. Well, you know, I decided since it was a small group. Did Alex make you? No, Alex and Willa Bennett were swagging out, clearly the best dancers of the group. I dropped out after round one. I gave it a go to have fun, but then I was like, all right, I'm not going to. Yeah, try to line dance against a lesbian. Good luck. Yeah, you're not going to beat that. Boot scooting, booting around your ass. We were dressed alike, and I was a little pissed, but then I was like, who's stealing whose culture? It's tough to say. Our guest today is Kevin Parker, Tame Impala, the new album. uh deadbeat came out friday he'd be and i saw him wearing a battery t-shirt uh which i have a lot of questions about um i didn't know i didn't know music like that made it all the way to to western australia yeah we have a lot to talk about yeah washington dc 90s hardcore band battery didn't know kevin was a fan hey man youth crew okay let's give him a call this episode of how long gone is brought to you by a new podcast from the guardian

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sweet green Arnold Palmer. You know what I mean? It feels like in the same vein. I'm sorry, I don't mean to push. We also like to experiment with genres, Kevin, just more so in the consumer, the CPG beverage space. But right in the intro, we were talking about a t-shirt that you were wearing in a photo for a 90s hardcore band Batchery. Was it in some sort of styled photo shoot, perhaps? No, no, no. It was like you with the fan. Battery. Are you sure you saw it? Are you sure that's what it said? Are you sure it wasn't like an actual battery t-shirt? Bro! Like for batteries? It wasn't a Duracell? Battery? No, it's a Converse-style logo that says Battery All-Star with the star in the middle and then says Youth Crew. Oh, I thought that was like a baseball shirt. It's not, not. Like a batter. That's the best possible answer you could have given us. Because that's sort of like a, I wouldn't say deep cut, but deepish cut hardcore band. Oh, I see. Oh, shit. I think I might be in danger of being a little bit of a poser there, unfortunately. No, no, no. But I think your reasoning is pretty good. Well, did you go on the MillsVintageUSA.com shirt and buy it for $90? Or did somebody do it for you? When you say somebody. could you be referring to a stylist that your wife doesn't know your wife even though she married to your ass does not know who battery is well that's why i'm asking it would make a lot of sense because chris and i are 90s hardcore bros who i have seen this band play and i am married to your clothing wardrobe stylist so all the points connect but she would have run this through me if this was the case but no i think it was nice to see that was organically purchased that was um organic that was uh yeah i did that all i did that all by myself do you really be shot do you really be shopping or do you like to leave that to the professional i hate shopping i cannot stand shopping i i'm just not i'm just not good at it so what i mean for for anything i mean you've got all that gear you like buying that what about food i hate buying food

same uh can't stand like like the best thing for me at a restaurant is like someone else do the ordering wow when i when i go to a restaurant and someone's like should i just order some stuff it's like that's like music to my ears i don't you make you get very happy i mean i do that all the time i'm like do you guys mind if i just do the order and everyone even if they're like a food person who has ideas They love to submit, roll over, show the tummy, order those edamames for me. I would like to get to the point in my life where I'm good enough at one thing where the other stuff somebody else can handle for me, but I haven't figured out what that is yet. That's true. Leave Daddy alone. He's in his room with all the toys. We'll go to Kroger. I see the vision. You're right. That's probably one of the best things about having a specialized. role in life is that you... I like that you sound like you're a forklift driver, but yeah, I get what you mean. You're a specialized operator. Yeah, when you're a specialized forklift operator, you can get away with being absolute trash at everything else in life, which I unfortunately am. At adulting? I don't sing. Okay, so if we take music out of it, what would you say you're the best at? What's your second best skill if we remove guitar pedals? Drinking. Drinking? All right. Look, I appreciate the honesty. I didn't know if you had a weird, you're like, oh, actually, I'm a crazy Pokemon collector. I didn't know if you had another, like something else maybe. Is the drinking in the Somalia range, or is it more cracking the coolest lights? No, I can just. I can just drink you under the table, basically. Well, that's, I mean, that's sort of your culture. I feel like maybe that is a birthright type situation. Most Australians can. And this sounds like I'm sort of like, you know, trying to sell. how good we are at drinking, but it's just deeply entrenched. No, it's fact. We have a lot of friends who are Australian, and we've been to Australia, and it's true. You guys are good at drinking, and once you come to America and get access to affordable cocaine, that really changes the game. Oh, it's over. No, it's all night. You don't have to speak on that.

specifically oh i won't then i will say that i've seen australians that seem like they're in some sort of like fantasy land when they come here but like the ease of everything to get because they're just like you know it's christmas morning when they when they don't it doesn't have to come on a boat it just cross it crosses a different whole bag for me i don't get it you know stuff like that hold on that's a big bag well i i would like to understand because i've actually never asked an australian person this What do you think it is about the drinking? Like, why is that? I mean, like, obviously the UK has a similar sort of culture, I would say. What do you think the factors are? Just Commonwealth? First and foremost, we are just English people. We're like sunburned English people. Sure. First and foremost, which it's just all that we know how to do socially. I see. Right? So we are a lot less... open like as a culture a lot less um emotionally open like like in america it's like let's hang out let's go for a walk let's go for a hike let's like do some you know let's um do something constructive and healthy or just you know let's go shopping together like guys can go shopping together in australia it's like let's let's hang out okay what do we do um pub Let's go to the pub. We're basically just counting down the hours until we can go to the pub. I thought you guys went to the beach, too, but I guess there's drinking involved in that. Yep. Yeah, but the fucking best thing to do after the beach is straight to the pub. It's basically just... It's what our social existence revolves around. Oh, yeah. Sadly. I will say sadly. I wish it were different. And also, British people do that a lot as well. They'll go... tuck into the pub after a hard day's work, get off at 1.45 p.m. and start drinking. But you guys do it with no shoes on, which is a good differentiator. Well, unfortunately, it doesn't make a lot of difference to the health effects of it. But I will say the English are worse than the Australians. Really? Why do you think that?

Because they look worse? Because the weather is shitter. Good point, good point, good point. Because Australia, at least, is a gorgeous beachy existence. Yeah, it's paradise. It's a sunshiny sort of like, you know, yeah, at least in, no, I don't know where I'm going with this, but in London, they are punishers. They would just punish the pub. It's like, I sort of leave London every time kind of like weeping a bit. Yeah. like get me out of here well you think you're you think you're bad and then you go to the real turf and they show you who's boss exactly it's a bit like that it's like what a bit off a bit more than i can chew here all that to say i i will say that like in the last two months of my life have been like the the most disciplined i've been in years for like drinking everything i've been really because you got some you because you got some to sell and people need you to do stuff yeah i've got to get up on stage basically So you're getting into shape to touch the stage and bless people with your talents. Yeah, I mean, calling it getting into shape is a bit of a stretch. Okay. Drinking 10% less. But we're getting on a stage that's 360, and there's people all around us. Okay, Ed Sheeran, go off. Hell yeah. Yeah, that's it. I'm injuring my Ed Sheeran phase. So you're going in the round. You're going 360. We're going in the round, and there's no escaping. There's no hiding the beer gut in the round. Oh, I see. So they're seeing the side view. They're getting it from the bike. They're getting every angle. It's like when I'm at the Grammys and they do the 360 cam and they see the love handle. That's right. They see everything. In the round. Okay. If you are round, then the audience will be around. It's a problem for everybody. It's a problem for everybody. Sorry, I'm probably getting into it. No, that was sensational. Why do you think you took the round route? It was kind of like this unspoken agreement. We were like, you know, I was chatting with the team about what we were going to do. It's like, what was she doing with the show? And it was kind of like one of those things we all just said at the same time, like in the round, in the round. So we're doing in the round, right? I don't know. It kind of just like seems like something kind of.

It's new. And the stage doesn't rotate, though, does it? No, we were going to do that, the Lazy Susan, but we... That's a lot. That seems price high. Yeah, definitely. It'd be one thing if you were to do it. But you have, like, lots of instruments and cables and synths and routing and patches, and it's a lot to spin it. Yeah, our cable count's probably a bit too high to do that kind of stuff. What's your cable count right now, brother? Oh, I don't know. I have no idea. Cable count! yeah um i'd hate to advance with you brother uh yeah well luckily that's not my um what did i call it before specialized we know you can't do that we know you can't do that that's it foreign on the list okay um speaking of australia a friend of ours a music writer person told me that his name is shot he asked me to ask you a question what is your favorite flavor of shape that is so funny i got asked that in an interview Two days ago. Can you explain to me, a novice? I asked him, I was like, what the fuck is this? Is this question a riddle? And he's like, he'll know what I mean. He'll know what it is. No, his shape is just an Australian cracker. Like a Ritz or like a Cheez-It? Triscuit? They're like flavored Ritz. They're in literal shape. So there's circles, triangles, squares, ovals, fish. There's a moon. Yeah, but it's like barbecue, pizza, cheese. You got chicken crimpy. You got barbecue. You got wicked sweet chili. I'll tell you right now, barbecue is by far the best. Barbecue shapes. And anyone who tells you otherwise is. Not even the Vegemite shape? Not even. Okay. Well, Vegemite was quite a late edition. That's sort of like one of their new flavors, but it's not one of the classics. So is barbecue something that stuck to you like childhood era, and now you're still... Okay, got it, got it. Yeah, fuck yeah. I was really hoping that question was going to be more like a philosophical, like looking inward type of thing, and it's just crackers. So did the first person to ask me that. But I like that it's like a through-line riddle with you, but...

If I knew that it was about crackers, I wouldn't have asked you that. I apologize. I like that name for crackers, though. Really, it leaves a lot to the imagination. It reminds me of voguing. You know what I mean? Yeah, it does. It feels like it has it deeper. Now that you're an EDM artist, Kevin, are we dancing more? Now that I'm what, sorry? An EDM artist. Oh, God. Are we getting the dance out a little bit more? Are we feeling the music when we're behind the CDJ 3000s? I was always feeling the music. I just, yeah. Okay. Unfortunately, unfortunately not. But the idea is not that I'm dancing. The idea is that the people. Of course. I'm also a drummer. My theory is that, like, drummers make the worst dancers. Really? Really? Yeah. Like, to be fair, I haven't really thought this theory out more than... We'll work it out in real time. I have ideas about it as well. But, uh, I don't know. I think I'm just sort of, like, dialed into the rhythm sort of mentally. Have you ever considered or have you ever thought that, like, you're at a club and everyone is dancing around and it's a normal beat? And everyone seems happy with it. And then in your mind, you're like, this beat is not complex or rhythmic or asymmetrical or interesting enough for me to move my body. I've thought that myself. Can you imagine how much fun I would be to be around if that was what I... Guys, this beat is... This beat is too simple. What? This beat is too simple. Okay. Or have you found yourself dancing to a song? and everyone is dancing to the, like, you know, the 4-4, and then you are going along with the 5-16th shaker rhythm, like the C-story rhythm, and everyone's like, what's wrong with you, bro? Well, I'm always up for a challenge. But no, look, I love to dance. I'm just not very good at it, you know. I just have to be in a place where I don't care that people can see how shit I am at dancing, which is probably how everyone feels, really. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But on a stage in front of thousands of people, they are watching you. But I think people like a DJ that dances versus a DJ. Because I hate when you're on stage and everyone's like, can you be animated and put your hands in the air and just talk on the mic? I think it's the best when you just dance. Like, I love this song so much, it's making me dance. That's right. I mean, there's a bit of a divide at the moment about what a DJ should be doing. Well, they should stop hitting all those. They should stop fake hitting buttons and switches. Chris doesn't like it when you hit the cue button so many times. No, no, I like when you hit the cue button. I think it's somewhat of a signature move only because I've seen you do it so many times. I'm talking about when the song is clearly playing and you're hunched over fucking with the knobs. I'm like, we ain't doing all that, bro. That ain't doing shit and you know it. Okay, but then what are they supposed to do? What are you supposed to do when you're DJing? Coke? Drink? Dance a little bit. Well, I certainly drink. In fact, that's kind of my DJ move. It's just swigging beer. If I don't see a DJ duck underneath the booth every 30 minutes, then I don't want to be there. Also, as a DJ, you're supposed to say something to somebody behind you, and then they laugh. It's a big part of DJing as well. That is a huge... Jason always says that the beauty of DJing, especially like an event, is that you don't have to talk to anyone. You know, like I like we we just this came up relatively recently because we did this New Balance event and he DJed and I had to socialize for three hours while he was like had his headphones on. And I got to I got to do the finger at them. Like, oh, I'm just I'm in the middle of a really sick burial mix. If you could just come back later. But but you were saying before, Kevin, like you have to drink less because you're on stage playing these songs in the round. intricate patterns you're singing you're doing this but when you're djing that's when we can maybe loosen the reins a little bit on the alcohol consumption right you can do it you could do it blacked out i mean not you but people well actually no i was literally just referring to the sort of weeks leading up to tour i only do that now so that i can um okay that i can enjoy myself on tour and not just like yeah uh no no no i think like

drinking for me on stage is quite a sort of a important it's quite a pivotal part of it for me not to say that like it sounds like i'm like it's what we call a non-negotiable um it's not negotiable it's kind of like it's like it's like going to a party and not drinking yeah right so it's like like yes it can be done and yes it's an extremely liberating and sort of like empowering thing to be able to do it's like hey i'm just socializing i'm socializing with these people who are on another level and i'm just like and i'm just straight i'm just so sure you could do it but why on earth would you ever want to exactly it's just like i'm up there with my friends and we're and we're doing what we love and there's people watching like why wouldn't i have a drink you know i also i also like like on a sadder level for me to just sort of come out of my skin that's sort of just what it's what uh yeah and it's also just like it's a routine you know like i'm quite like it's i got a strict sort of pre-show routine that involves gin and it's kind of just um okay so at this point it's just okay so the jonas brothers are on the kind of the pelotons getting ready to hit the stage warming up and you're sort of mixing a gin and tonic yeah i'm squeezing half a lemon yeah walk me through your gin ritual i know like you know joe rogan fellow podcaster he'll take a shot of tequila right he doesn't drink before a set but he'll take a shot of tequila right before just to kind of you know, smack you around a little bit so you can still talk, but the nerves have been burned off. What are you doing with the gym? So exactly one hour before showtime, before rock o'clock, I'll make a drink. make a gin drink and then 30 minutes i'll finish that in about half an hour and 30 minutes before i'll have another one and then as i go on stage i'll make another one to walk on stage with okay and that's the what is the vet what is the vessel when you're on stage just a classic red solo or do we have a special kevin uh yeah whatever's whatever's lying around where's kevin's i didn't know if you had a yeti with the logo on it or something i do love i do love a red i do love a red um

Like college, whatever it is, cup. But we've also got these ones that look like disposable plastic ones, but they're actually like a real cup. We're trying to be sustainable. You can get those at Urban Outfitters still. I remember when they released the red solo cups that had a little strip of chalkboard. on them and you could write your name with your finger oh okay and i feel like the technology wasn't there yet but maybe now they could read maybe they're still out there it was a cute idea i feel like it didn't i love that it didn't work well enough i could we can work that into the show i'm sure it's like right right the name of the city art that's kind of cool remind you so you don't fuck up oh yeah i'll need that yeah i hope to do that one day it hasn't happened yet um do you do you think that now i mean we're talking about you know being a special citizen and uh having specialized talents and not any other things do you feel like now at your life in your age with with child do you feel like you're a full-grown adult now all right this episode of how long gone is brought to back quince jason the temps are warming up it's getting hot out there summer always changes how i get dressed i need pieces that feel lighter more breathable And they're just easy, but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics, but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. Upgrade that look starting at just $34. You know, if you get a nice linen suit, a little t-shirt underneath it, some chill shoes, you're looking good, but you're staying cool. The inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties. So elevate that summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns, even on a nice holiday now available in Canada.

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And like I said, you have a kid. You're 40 now, probably, something like that, right? 39. I'm not 40 yet. 39. Ticking the days away. Oh, relax, relax. Damn, put the gun down. Sorry, sorry. Put the gun down. You're in your early 30s, and despite that, you've completed so much. You're 22, and this album is amazing. It sounds like you've reached a mental... maturity and like an adulthood that you that i didn't hear before and i was proud of you but then you said watch family guy and then it all went downhill after that yeah undid so much it undid some people really people really liked that oh yeah yeah i saw a couple of memes that was pretty good um Well, you know, like you throw a paint at the walls and see what's, you know, it's like that line just sort of like it just came and I just didn't fight it, you know. I'm glad you didn't. You know, the thing I will say about being a, you know, successful musician is that the music industry is a world where they don't want you to grow up. you know it's like you are encouraged it's like that peter pan thing they want you to be they want you to be irresponsible they want you to be i want to be bad yeah bro do something bad do something fucked up you're too clean yeah you ain't done nothing bad that i can think of i'm sure you could think of a few things but i can't think of i can't think of anything yeah so it's um yeah it's so that's quite it's quite a carrot to dangle uh in front of someone like me it's like it's like you can be a piece of shit forever it's like okay well don't mind if i do yeah the nicer and and more responsible you get that will affect album sales negatively so if you could you know get arrested every 18 months exactly the wheels turning they don't want they say that i want you to get arrested but they want you to get arrested they definitely want you to get arrested yeah super bad if that happened well i guess clothing wise we were talking about that before do you feel like there's a uh a sartorial maturity going on now um what does that word mean exactly or are you happy that flip-flops are are cool and you can wear them with suits uh yeah i mean honestly honestly that was like one of the most like the first like the most immediate uh benefit that i realized to calling an album deadbeat is that you get to wear flip-flops

Just the whole time. I used to feel quite out of place in like cool LA parties because I'm wearing flip-flops and everyone else has got like amazing loafers on and stuff. Those are amazing loafers. I just sort of like trained myself to sort of dress better, you know. And now it's kind of like I can just celebrate that. Yeah, now as long as your pants are $1,200, you can wear whatever flip-flops you want and everything's okay. Yeah. No big deal at all. Yeah. something like that okay well speaking speaking of deadbeat there there was a line that says uh it won't make a difference you can lie all of your life and that one i was like damn this is a deadbeat bar right there that's the deadbeat anthem shit right there it's actually you can lie all you like god damn it well is there time to is we could still change it right okay you could lie all you like so you were you were telling somebody that versus talking about yourself then Yeah, it's basically that saying, you can try and convince me to be part of your world. It's basically like, I'm always going to be me. I'm always going to be like this. I've tried that one a few times myself. It hasn't gone that well for me. You can pretend to be nice to me, or you can say these things, but I'm not going to believe you. It's not going to make a difference. I'm still just going to be like this. That's what that's saying. On the Genius.com website, it says life, not like. Oh, is that popping off? Yeah, we're already popping off. There's already lyrics that are in bold to let you know that these are the key bars. okay yeah i've always wondered about is that is that groupthink voting on the key bars or they're just sort of moderators that can be like this is my shit right here these two lines i have no idea i assume it's just anyone who wants to jump in there can jump in i think i think it was like a wikipedia situation yeah because i think people will google uh a verse or like a sentence from a song i think maybe those or either that or there's like a an editor like a you know a moderator being like

this is a fire-ass bar where I'm going to put it in bold. Yeah, but whether it's an official moderator or just some dude on the internet, both of them aren't me, so they have absolutely no authority on what a song is about. No, but they can't, look. These motherfuckers speculate and keep the lights on over at the Parker estate, though. Yeah, but we all know that once you put out the record, it's not yours anymore. And now people are saying, this room is in shambles, but I think it's fine. To you, it's untidy. Maybe to me, it's divine. And there's a lot of messy motherfuckers listening to that, but this shit is about me. This guy is speaking through me. What are they saying on that song? Because I've seen two theories on Pace of Heaven, one that it's about my daughter and one that it's about a love interest or whatever, or one that's about a girlfriend. Okay, the annotation for that particular line, Kevin Parker is known for his obsession for music, and his house proves that with loose wires flooding the floor, leading to hundreds of digital instruments in every chamber of his home. To others, Kevin's house may appear messy and untidy, but to Kevin... It's his musical paradise. They don't give a fuck about your wife. They don't give a fuck about your daughter. They said this motherfucker got wires all over his crib. He's wired up. Hang on a second. The song clearly says your bedroom. It's not my bedroom. Bro, stop acting like these people are listening that hard. They're just having fun, man. They're just vibing to your music, man. Just relax. This is why I don't go on Genius.com. I feel like at one point it was like when it first came out, that shit was truly revolutionary. It was like unbelievable kind of, even if I didn't believe what they were saying, I couldn't, I was like stunned that it existed. Yeah. But it's gotten, there's too much, there's too much stuff like that now where everybody's an expert. Well, that's, that's it. That's it. Like everyone, everyone has an opinion, which is great. That's great.

But that's all it is. It's your opinion. They're not always correct. The best part about rapgenius.com is the two white boys who founded it went to therapy together because they couldn't get along and they were making so much money. And there was a New York Times story about them going to business therapy together. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's it. And I was like, damn, these guys are kind of, no pun intended, geniuses. They know that the bread is the bottom line. We've got to work this shit out. That's how you know it's successful. Hopefully that comes to us one day, Chris. Oh, my God. Imagine. Okay, well, speaking of calling Genius.com Rap Genius, I feel like your lyrical cadence and flow is entering a little bit of a rappy zone in a great way. There was a line, and I was like, this is something that Drake could say. And it would work great in a Drake song. Okay. Where you say, man, it's a crisis. I'm never like this. That's how my life is. You couldn't write this. Oh, that. Damn, that is. Oh, yeah. Okay. Drake bar. It's a Drake bar. I'm sure you got 4D cell phone. We can get some underwater beat that you kind of just go over. That's nice. That is nice. That is nice. All right, OVO. All right, OVO Kevin. OVO Kevin in the building. Thanks, guys. I'm just going to – there's lots to unpack there, but I'm just going to say thank you. That's a nice way to handle it. Anytime anybody says anything to me, I just say thank you. That clears it up. Like I said before, completely complimentary, but I don't know. Is this something that you have noticed at all where your beautiful singing and lyricism has taken a little bit of a – a different cadence or flow or is that just me um yeah sure i mean they're meant to be like you know the the lyrics on the the vocals on this album are meant to be a lot more direct and and and sort of like um sharp you know a lot of the time but man you know what like i i saw this amazing thing the other day you know when the taylor swift album came out and everyone hated it

Everyone's saying how trash it was. Yeah. I don't remember that at all. I don't remember that at all. Well, okay. I heard some rumblings. Well, you know, it's like the Instagram, the internet, you know, court of public opinion or whatever. I don't necessarily, well, I definitely don't agree with the, you know, whatever. Someone made a video where they turned her lyrics into an MF Doom verse. This is the worst thing I've ever heard in my life. No, let me finish. Just wait until he says it actually worked. It's like they've used AI or whatever for MF Doom to rap out her lyrics, and they sound award-winning. I kid you not. I kid you not. The whole purpose of the video they made was to show how lyrics in a different light can seem better or worse. Which to me proves, it proves that context is everything. And I firmly believe that. People were ready to hate that album, that Taylor Swift album, when it came out. They had their artillery already in place. Guns in position. However you're ready to receive lyrics or art or whatever is how it's going to happen. Doesn't matter how good or bad it is. So context is everything. I encourage you to check that video out. It's kind of insane. I'm busy watching my Martin Luther King as a professional wrestler video. So I'm sorry. I'll get back to you when I'm kind of done examining that. But I see where your head's at. And I'm going to listen to that as soon as I finish watching the video that one of our listeners will make where they turn that sentence into a Drake song. And then we're going to be like, by golly, it sounds great. What was the one that everybody was talking about? It was a 50 cent song they turned into sort of like a... Oh, there are thousands. It was like a jazzy kind of... No, but for whatever reason, the 50 cent one was all people talked about for like three days. It was like a thing. I think it was because someone like Rogan or someone...

Someone was like, it's actually amazing. Joe Regan was loving it. Jazzy hip-hop really gets old guys. I don't want anything to do with MF Doom anywhere near me, so I'm going to skip that one. It's a thing. I mean, similar. I think about it all the time where I'm listening to a song from an artist, and they're not that big. They're doing okay, but not huge. And I think if this person instead just gave this song to The Weeknd, they would have a yacht. but they have it for themselves, and they're selling 400-cap venues, and they're doing okay. It's all good, but like you said, in the right context, boom. You've got to give some songs away. Sometimes you've got to give it away. Sometimes you've got to give it to Dua to get that yacht, right? yeah yeah man you speak you speak in my language i guess though when you when you write no that's like what that's like the other thing i do right yeah that's that's why we're talking about it of course that's why you're talking to us it ain't your little music it's all this other shit you've done but what is the what is the when you do something for another artist that is almost always like the intention that was set at the beginning or is it really like i got this shit and it's good, but I think it would be better if XYZ took it and put sauce on it. It can be either. It can be anything. So you've pulled something off a hard drive and sold it? Not sold it. I'm not meeting you in a car park with a fucking trench coat. That would be a lot cooler if you were, but it was a figure of speech. No, you're right. That would be really cool. Rihanna's like, I thought you said this shit was gas, bro. Yeah. It's fine. You know we don't give refunds. You know that's not how the game works. Yeah, sometimes. I mean, some artists are dead set on, like, we meet in a room and we start something new. Don't bring your beats. People always joke about, like, pretending that you came up with something on the spot. That's really...

Like you open up the Pro Tools session, you mute all the tracks, and you just load them in one by one, letting the beat build? Yeah, Lil Nas X. I did a session with Lil Nas X once, and he asked me if I'd do that. He was like... You were one of those guys who just comes in and pretends to write something in the room. It's like, ooh, what about we go here? So good. I thought that was hysterical. He's a hilarious person. He's incredible. It's a really funny idea, and I'm sure people do it all the time. 100%. They've got to. As soon as you said that, I was like, oh, because I've been tempted to do that before. When someone's like, let's just start something new no one no one bring any no one um no one play any beats they made it on it starts being new and it's like the temptation because it can be it's extremely demanding it's brutal brutally demanding to come up with something right there and then on cue you're in the room that a record label paid a lot of money for and they're like all right hit maker make me a hit exactly it's uh it can be nerve-wracking anyway So, yeah, it's tempting to just sort of, like, have things pre-prepared. So it's better when you're like, maybe this song would be better with, like, a guitar solo, maybe something like this, and you're like, like, you know, a perfect solo that you've been practicing in your bedroom for the last week. Yeah, exactly. What about this eight-part harmony? I think that could work. I got the perfect people to sing this. They're actually right outside if you want to bring them in. They're here with us right now. Yeah, I'll just have a look outside. Speaking of eight-part harmonies, are there some Easter egg sounds? in this album hidden of course my music is 90 easter eggs bro you got too many you got too many tracks fam i don't even know what's going on it's this dude there's a lot of you got a lot of shit going on that's right yeah and and weirdly it's like it's like the the least amount of shit going on that i've ever you're saying this is the least amount of shit and it's still more than most people exactly yes you can't help yourself I can't help myself. That's all it is. That's all it is. There's a lot more negative space on some of these songs on the new album, I feel like. It lets the beat breathe. Definitely. Well, the first thing you learn about making dance music is that, or music that you can dance to, is that the drums need to breathe. Is that space needs to be there. You need that dynamic range. You've got to get sucked in and out of the kick.

yeah that's it no i mean and it's i noticed it multiple times on the album where there'll be these you know kind of crescendo moments and beautiful harmonies and synths and vocals and things happening and it drops into the beat and it is just you know a kick and a snare and a couple little sounds hidden here and there that's it and it just sounds so nice you know it's just you know here's all this shit and like just here's a steak with some salt on it and you're like nothing better than this you know just a good that's it perfect drum sound open air yeah my um my uh analogy to that is like a margarita pizza yeah like sometimes you want a supreme sometimes you just want you want the lot and sometimes you just want you just want to sort of sprinkle a couple of things you know yeah yeah For our listeners at home, he was doing the Salt Bae. Sometimes you just want a Salt Bae, yeah. I know. I mean, that's what makes a great dance song. You hear a drum pattern and maybe a little percussion here, maybe a simple bass line, and those are those songs that last decades, and it comes on and it never gets old. And it's not like, oh, what if we sidechain the bass and do this and blah, blah, blah. It's just... It just has to have the beat, and that's it. That's it. All right, well, how many years away from you and just three guys in the room making a regular album are we? How far can we take this? sort of kevin meets minimalism like how far can we go uh are we gonna get it like a tam impala replacements album you know what i'm saying like how how far are you willing to take this as far as it wants to go i guess uh well you know like i the the way my um my uh what's the word my um twisted little mind my contrarian ass mind okay okay um always always wants to sort of like jelt the steering wheel violently. As soon as we're on a good little highway, I have that thing of just wanting to grab the wheel and violently turn it into the ditch. Yeah, but when you're on that good little highway and you're cooking and everything is all good for the outside world, that's what they're thinking. And in your mind, you're like, I have been listening to this song for the last three years and I...

I want to get off this highway. Yeah, exactly. It's a complex range of emotions and thoughts and feelings, but at the end of the day, it's just following your heart. Namaste. Namaste, brother. I'm trying to say something genuine and sensitive there, guys. No, I believe you. We won't really allow that kind of shit, Kevin. Sorry. I believe you. You sound like me and my brother. It's like, as soon as there's a hint of something genuine, it's like, yeah, just like, namaste, bro. Someone from another room is going, gay. Exactly. It feels at home. It's good. Yeah, a little slice of hum. The orchid instrument. Yeah. Have you seen this, Chris? Oh, yeah. I love the ORCID instrument. Oh, you got the ORCID on you, fam. Okay. It doesn't leave them without it. This is the nuclear prototype. Oh, that's nice. This is not a video podcast, is it? It's not a video podcast. This guy likes gear so much, he went and made his own gear, and I appreciate it. Basically, yeah. So I'm taking matters into my own hands. Yeah. Okay. First question, can I have one? Can you have one? Yeah, of course. Of course. I'm happy to pay for it, of course, but it seems like they're... No, no. Okay. Twist my arm, Kevin. Twist my arm. You've dropped a few music production terms already. It sounds like you know your stuff, so talk about side-chaining. I use Ableton Live to produce this podcast, so I'm in there. At least make him pay for shipping, Kevin. We've got to keep him humble. Taxes, shipping, whatever we got. But for people who don't know what this instrument is, I think it's a genius idea, and it kind of reminds me... Like a couple years ago, there was a big movement for people writing where they would get like little plastic kind of word processors or like digital things to where they can kind of like a dumb phone version of a keyboard. So you can just make whatever you're doing without the distractions of looking at Twitter and everything else. Yeah, it's basically just another way, another sort of like idea in how to write.

music how to write chords you know it's just sort of like it's like an idea that i had it's like what if we could write chords in this way a different kind of keyboard so it's a chord generator right it helps you uh so you know you know how you know what i was saying before about being in the room with an artist and then wanting something new and you've got to come up with something new right there and then or your or the or the or the session that like hits a dead end It was those kind of situations that spurred me onto making the thing. So it's a chord generator, right? So it just makes chords a lot more accessible without having to sort of like, you know, you don't need the dexterity and remembering what all the notes are in each chord. So you can play quite complex chords and it makes them easy to remember. um it's like a more efficient way of writing and playing chords because like often it whether i'm in like a high pressure kind of like um pop writing scenario or it's just like two o'clock in the morning and i'm kind of like a bit out of my head um you know okay so the same way keith richards would wake up in the morning in his bed and pick up his guitar and start writing down you know a new stone song you can roll out of bed And hit the C minor 7th into the A, B, D. And then next thing you know, we have a... Oh, listen, there you go. It's actually great for playing in bed. because you don't need to look you don't need to look at what you're doing you can kind of feel the buttons um so i played him i played in bed a lot it's always about feel for me so i get it there you go exactly so you can do like a stevie wonder kind of yeah look around you're doing you're doing a tom york head movement with your eyes exactly you're able to intuitively hit the buttons and keys and create a new new song that's it you get to finally live out your dream of Being blind? Of being Stevie Wonder, doing the Stevie Wonder head bob. Yeah, yeah. We've all, since childhood, I've dreamed about that. Do you think, I don't mean to sidebar, but do you think he's blind or not? We say no. Oh, come on. No way. I'm not, I'm not. I think his vision is impaired. I think his vision is impaired, but so is mine. Look, I love a conspiracy theory. I fucking love a conspiracy theory. Give them to me.

And some of them are just genuinely, you know, there's more to the world than we think. I know that. Totally. And Jason always says that about Bush doing 9-11, so I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, exactly. Third eye's open, brother. But think about how this, think about the reality of what people are suggesting here, that he, since the 60s, which is when Stevie Wonder started making music, that he's been bullshitting. No, no, no. It's a way to stand out. And I think maybe that we all need a leg up. So it's a marketing. I think it maybe was a joke or a marketing thing that went too far. Women walking by and his head turning. I believe that. That could be smell, though. It could be smell. He has heightened senses other than his sight. That's true. Like Rap Genius says, Kevin, you could lie all your life. He lied even though he said like and not lie. So you're saying he was able to successfully trick everyone for 50, 60 years or whatever it's been? I'm saying I don't even know if it's a trick. I'm saying that I think even he believes it at this point. You know what I'm saying? I think it's like that kind of shit. You lie so much you believe yourself. It's so much a part of his identity and his sort of... you know, his lore. It's like that one friend who's like never going to come out of the closet. You're like, damn, you're really going to go till the very end. Wow. Impressive. You're just going to take this thing. It's like in that friend that that friend's going to hook up with guys on vacation and Stevie Wonder's watching TV at home with his legs kicked up. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. And occasionally. And what did you say? Occasionally checking out the old chick on the street. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you see something nice walk by. I've seen him in this barbecue restaurant in Hollywood. And his handler, his girlfriend, had to tell him, stop looking at the menu. Stop looking at the menu. He's over here picking out his sides. No, when something nice, when he sees a wagon pass his view, he can't help but go on swivel. He can't help it. He's just a man. He's simply a man. There's a limit to his genius, right? Exactly. I think it's more fun to believe. That one feels almost harmless to me.

you know what i mean it feels like a fun he still gave us this amazing body of work it's just kind of funny yeah well yeah it's not like woody allen like i could still listen to all of stevie's beautiful music whether or not he's been lying about his vision victimless crime arguably that's it yeah yeah yeah kevin's convinced this is what we this is what we do over here kevin i also i wanted to ask you about your haircut because you had you were a long hair guy for what seems like an eternity i feel like this is a big deal yeah who did the cut how long did you think about it how much did it cost um i thought about it for a while well you know what i i was i was waiting i was waiting to for something different like you know uh i don't know if you guys have ever had long hair but it like as a guy it can be a burden you know it can just be like oh man i just like you see guys with short hair and you're just sort of like oh god that must be nice you know you see it so and but you know what i just i just it was just ready for us ready for a change you know like i i i've always loved i've always like sort of you know loved my hair in a way you don't want to go you don't want to go crisp mode but you wanted somewhere in between yeah i was just ready for a change i just wanted to cut it off and try something new you know your hair does look very good right now i will say thanks it looks great that's what i'm saying it looks great and i think it looks better this way than thanks man if i'm being honest with you but i don't want to pick i don't i don't want to pick between my two heavens you know we love them both yeah thanks yeah you don't have to pick it's um it is what it is so before you would have to like don't make me choose kevin so before you get in the you'd have to take a shower And you'd get your hair wet, but you wouldn't shampoo and condition it because that's the whole thing. And then you have to put a beanie on to dry it out so it doesn't get all poofy and floofy. Yeah, exactly. It was a lot more of a delicate, you know, like didn't want to go out in the wind.

before it was dry. It's tough for convertible ownership as well, driving around with all the windows open. You had to keep three different hats in the 911 before you went down to Gelson's to make sure your shit looked good. Yeah. It might be more of a Suzuki Samurai down there in Perth, right? Wait, what? Is the car at home more of a Suzuki Samurai or a Porsche 911? At home? In Perth, in Australia. It's a Toyota Land Cruiser. Look at you. You're just a humble guy, man. I love that about you. You're just a regular. I'm in Florida. You're like these guys I'm at the grocery store with. Yeah, but I am a frustrated sports car guy. Like you want one, but you won't let yourself have it? Yeah, I have this theory that I call the Ferrari conundrum, which is that your whole life, you grow up. As a kid, just thinking the Ferrari is the coolest fucking thing in the world. And it's like, you know, as a kid, I was like, if I ever can buy a Ferrari, I'm going to buy a Ferrari. But the paradox is that by the time you have enough money to buy a Ferrari, it doesn't mean anything. It's like, yeah, I could buy a Ferrari, but what am I going to fucking do with it? You know? So you want a Ferrari because of what it symbolizes. But as soon as you have enough money to buy one, you're not interested in things that give you that. Unless you're a douchebag. Yeah, of course. But I'm sure you've done a few dumb things. Yeah, of course. I mean monetarily. I don't mean spiritually. Yeah, I've got my outlets for sure. But I'm generally pretty frugal. Can I? Can I give you my Ferrari scenario, though? This is why I think it would be. I was joking with my friend, Chris, about the possibility of me buying a Ferrari. So it's like...

called chris up like chris i just bought a ferrari man he's like what i was like yeah i just got a ferrari let's go for a drive like okay let's go for a drive we get in we drive like to like a town an hour away we're driving the freeway like isn't this the fucking sickest thing ever we get home that was so much fun next weekend i call him up chris you're going for driving the ferrari again like yeah fuck yeah let's do it get in the ferrari have a great time next weekend chris driving the ferrari like yep yeah yeah yeah um i've got something on later but let's do it and then like the next weekend chris we're going for driving the ferrari you coming it's like uh i've actually got to see my mom dude um it's like what are you supposed to do you can't yeah anyway no i think it's a great way to put it i think the i think that For the real heads, they look at it as like a daily driver, which is even darker. Like, it's not like I, you know what I mean? Like, I think a guy who really wants that car is like, yeah, this is great. This is normal. I can take this to the mall. I can take this to the gym. And they don't realize that they look like an asshole is the difference. I'm going to go drop my wife off at the airport in my fucking Ferrari that's purple. Also, Ferraris have been co-opted by. content creators that live in miami and just lost their ass on bitcoin like it's not oh twitch yeah it's a very it's real streamer crypto car it's not yeah what it was but it's cooler if you just say like hey this ferrari is you know two hundred thousand dollars i'm gonna spend let's say half that or just like get a cool like a 90s bentley or something like that and that's your daily driver and you're and you just go to the pub with your friend and you don't make a whole thing of it yeah yeah sure i like that for you i like i'll send over some links i like a 90s rolls yeah jason look get bring a trailer crack in let's send some links over yeah but look for the record if i do end up buying a sports car like you've never had you've never bought a sports car i want to be clear you've never bought uh no i i actually have a tesla um model s that's not a sports car i'm talking about something obnoxious yeah it is like a teenage boy fantasy okay good um

no no no never but but but there's a but there is a yearning in me to to to own one well look let's see how this album does we're still waiting on first week numbers and then once it's true if it hits i think we take ourselves to the dealership and get daddy a present i'd like i'd like to see you in like a like a dijon yellow 9-11 oh yeah you know zipping around it doesn't have to you know whatever eighty thousand dollars yeah mid-range it's a cute car yeah i mean sure that yeah exactly that would be a couple orchids in the front then but then like reality comes in it's like it's like wait I would be at the dealership paying for it, just going like, what the fuck am I doing? Your impulses are great. This is good for you. This is better to be the way you are than the other one. Your brain is working like reverse cocaine purchases. Hopefully that answers your question about, do I feel like a fully grown adult now? It does feel very responsible. Way to bring it all together. I'll tell you what. Kids. is is a really good way of um changing your perspective on who the most important person in this equation is you know um yeah it's still you but your kids are getting close they're they're inching up there it's still one two three but you know I've heard a lot of people say that. Whenever people say that, like, well, now I have something to live for. I'm like, well, you still have to live for yourself, bro. I'm not saying that's what you are thinking. No, exactly. Exactly. No, no, no. It's just a good sort of like leveler. Yeah. Let's put it that way. The leveler. Yeah. It's a good way of sort of you think you're the most important person. You look at your kids and you go, you know what? I am the most important person. I don't know if that's a stupid fucking joke. I look at your beautiful faces and I just say I am the most important person still. I come home from a late night in the club. My kids are sleeping. I say, without me, you are nothing. You won't even have diapers, you little shit. You know what? You're the last one. Be here if it wasn't for me. Are you in New York or are you back in L.A.? I'm in rural Pennsylvania, my friend. Oh, are you in that town where everybody gets ready for tour? I sure am. Lit it.

I fucking love it here. I love it. It's like, I think it's the closest I'll ever feel to like working at NASA or something. Really? I've heard about this place from a few different friends. And it's like, so it's basically like you can run the whole show full size, full tilt. They've just got like arenas here without seats. Oh, wow. It's just a massive shed. You just hang your whole show. And the hotel is like attached to the, it's like on site, everything. It's like a big university campus. But it's like just for rock and roll. Are you the only guys there? No, Sabrina Carpenter is next door, actually. Okay, good. She'd take a weekend off to go do SNL. She's taken up all the nice rooms upstairs at the hotel. To be fair, Sabrina's earned them more than you. I don't mean to. You don't need a suite. Mate, mate, listen. I was coming to Liditz. I was coming to Liditz, Pennsylvania. when when she was getting singing less when she was in diapers when she was making more money than all of us on the disney channel i was coming to pennsylvania that's so true she's probably been doing this longer than me um no that place is that place is fascinating and i hope to i hope to go one day um because i because we've also been told i've heard there's a mini sphere in burbank It's a similar idea where they, like, run the whole. Oh, wow. You can basically, like, it's obviously to scale, it's much smaller, but you can, like. Baby sphere. Run the whole thing and, like, you know, work out all the kinks and stuff. So how many days do you prep for a tour of this size? Like two weeks, I think. They've already been here for two. It's, like, the best part of a month. Okay, so Big Dog shows up. Big Dog shows up when they're ready to, like, play this shit. No, I like to think of myself as, you know, quite. uh in there yeah but you just you you have to do more shit i mean the other guys that can do this stuff you got to do press you got to do this and that i mean i'm not i'm not loading i'm not helping them like back the trucks in we know we we know that we know come on guys we know that you're not we we already we already cleared that you're not a forklift kevin's going around taking lunch orders all right guys i'm going to sweet green what do you guys want you guys want oh the salmon it's pretty good but the steak's new if you want to try it so is the how many times are you going to play the show all the way through

in pennsylvania before you hit the road probably well that's the dress rehearsal so oh no there's uh don't use hollywood speak with me just tell me how many times you're gonna play the set the whole set start to finish for like four but but okay but like but that's in like a week's time we've like there's there's us over in like band land so we've got our band set up over another building and then there's the sort of arena where it's just this like empty stage and they've got lights and lasers and um all that shit. Uh, and there's just like, there's like 4,000 computers and laptops around the outside. Um, it's, it's quite, it's quite a fucking thing. I must say, what's the coffee situation. Do they have an in-house barista? Uh, yeah, there's like, there's like, yeah, there's many different ways you can get coffee. And then there's a restaurant. Yeah, sure. The hotel, the, the, the restaurant is called per diem. No, that's good. I'm sorry, bro. You made a face and I know it's corny, but it's too good. It works. I have to say it works. Exactly. The whole hotel is like just the most cringe rock and roll themed hotel. Like the sort of the key, the door badges in the shape of guitar picks. Everything's in the shape of guitar picks. Yeah, it sounds like Nashville, Tennessee. I mean, I get it. The doors are made of like road cases. and the the wallpaper in your hotel room is like the sort of like triple a stickers like working oh oh god this sounds we may have gone a little too far over there this sounds like the best hard rock cafe to ever exist kind of exactly it's basically like it's like a techie's wonder it's like a techie's dream yeah there's a lot of guys wearing black jeans yeah in that fucking hotel it's it's it's it's their dream because it's like it's like doing the touring part but without all the annoying like people coming to the shows yeah yeah yeah they're like i get to do all my fun little stuff i got my little station without all the fans and instead of making money you pay money it's awesome yeah yeah well yeah well they're not paying money um they do this thing where they practice loading in and loading out which to me is just like some kind of torture they pack up the whole show all right put it in the trucks and then they all right straight back out again and set it up kevin i gotta i gotta

If it's not you because we don't have time, I got to do this. I got to run it. I got to be a crew member for a day to see how fast we can do it. You know what I mean? I want to see how fast we can pack this shit up, get it in the truck, and get it back on stage. Yeah, you need to go do a GQ story on this campus. Definitely. It's fascinating. Oh, it's super interesting. You don't need a whole Netflix doc. It's super interesting. I agree. Someone should do a thing on it. It sounds like the three of us are going to do it. So if you're listening and you want to do a story on this place, we already got it. We got dibs. That's it. Yeah, you're greenlit. We'll go out there. And I'll actually load the gear. I'll put my mechanics gloves on and really load the gear. I ain't a pussy. I want to be clear. I'm not some journalist. I'm going to get it in. I think you'd fit right in. Well, let's not say that. Thank you, Kevin. for joining us today on How Long Gone. It was a pleasure. Of course. Thanks for having me, guys. Congrats on the album. I think it's great. Well done. Thanks. Thanks, man. It was a pleasure. Congratulations. And I'll probably see you out for Halloween in New York with Carolyn. Definitely. Oh, New York. Yeah, fuck it. What's your costume going to be? Are you going to tell or no? When's this coming out? Tomorrow. Okay. I can't tell you then. It's a secret. Are you playing on Halloween in New York? Yes, we are. Oh, that's brave. That's brave. No, it's great. It's great. We always do something for Halloween. Last time we dressed up as the Wiggles. Look, Halloween is the worst night of the year in New York City. Oh, I fucking hate it. I hate Halloween, except for when we have a show. Being inside of Madison Square Garden or whatever is probably one of the better places to be. You'll be at Barclays, right? Barclays? I'm sorry to hear that. Next time, maybe. Barclays is bigger. I'm joking. I'm joking. No, I know. I know. Don't tell me it's bigger, you asshole. It's actually bigger. It's actually bigger. The only way that I know that is because we... It's because we've already done MSG and we've moved up. All right, big dick Kevin Parker. Thanks for joining us here. I'm sorry. How long gone? He's stunting on us. It's time to go. Thank you. Have a great Sunday. It is time to go. We'll see you on the road. Thank you, man. Thank you, guys. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me.

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