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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? Back in this bitch. Let's go. January 11th, January 12th for you. Them jeans was really good. Just another windy day in Glendale. Somebody sent me a message saying that Glendale is about to get speed cameras set up around the city. And this is a targeted attack. This is a plague on my people and my community. So you're saying that your Armenian brothers are being targeted for their high-performance automobiles and the way they drive them around your neighborhood? Yeah, but I... I'm going to catch a stray on this friendly fire guilty by association because as a Glendale speeder, this affects me as well. Okay. So the speeding community is taking a hit in Glendale and it feels racially motivated and you're going to catch a stray. Is there anything we can do about this? Do you have a neighbor that's maybe a city councilman? Are you just going to go cut wires on the cameras? What's your plan to kind of get around this? I'm going to have to. Well, I unscrewed my license plates from the Benz this morning. That's kind of the first thing you can do. The cops don't love that when they see you driving around with no plates. That's a tough one. I also saw recently that you could buy these T-shirts that you wear when you're driving around Europe or something like that. So if they catch you on the cameras and you're not wearing a seatbelt, they'll give you a seatbelt ticket as well. But the shirt has a diagonal black stripe going down the front of it. So if you're one of those people, there's some people who are just like,

a hard line stance against wearing seat belts, which seems like an odd hill to die on. But it's nice to know that they have an alternative. It's like when people have the little Tesla steering wheel auto drive hacks where you like I hang. a two pound weight off of the side of it so i don't have to touch so i could be jacking off and playing candy crush while i'm going on the freeway instead of touching the steering wheel i didn't um okay this is this is bad because you are a speeder and you know i always find especially in la people get the license plate covers that are super tinted yeah like the they think they think they're slick with the the tinted license plate cover but i like taking a step further and just removing the license plates from the equation altogether and kind of taking the power back from the crooked police. I agree with that, obviously, because I said I did that, but it's important to recognize our privilege as someone who's able to do something like that and get away with it, where other people might have to do the thing, which is very common in my neighborhood, where you get the sort of... mysterious trickster license plate where it's 1-1-L-1-1-1-L or 7-7-7-1-7-7. A trick for the eyes, as they say. Yeah, a trick for the eyes. It's an illumination nation. You look at it, and you're like, what's the license? Do you catch the license plate on that one, Chief? And you're like, oh, smoke's coming out of your ears. Okay, so you short circuit. And then next thing you know, we missed them. Yeah, you short circuit. You short circuit when them jeans flies by in the 11L11L. Yeah, he ducked into the Americana parking structure, and he's as good as gone at that point. You know what I mean? I remember once. Did you get eyes on it? Yeah, it was a black BMW. Okay. Narrows it down. Well, it had rims on it. There was a guy. There was kind of this hardcore legend in Atlanta, and he was big into street racing and cars and shit. Okay. And he told us a story once where he claims that he evaded police.

and took a hard turn into a parking lot, parked the car, turned the lights off, and got away scot-free. And it feels like a lie, but does that happen every day? I don't know if it happens every day. It is so risky, but sometimes you see it on car chases where a motorcycle driver... It's usually guys on a motorcycle. If you're on a motorcycle and you're somewhere near an airport... That's kind of the one time where you really can get away with it because you can just drive so fast and then you go into the airspace where the helicopters can't find you and that's the only way to really do it. Of course. But you really got to be on your GTA shit and you also have to be on your like... If I go to jail right now, my life is over, so I have to take this gamble. I have to do this. I got nothing to lose. So that's the only way to do it. I would never do that. I'm terrified. So I would probably just pull over and politely ask the officer why I was being pulled over. I have a question for you, officer. Do you know why you pulled me over today? Officer, do you know why you pulled me over today? My glove box is open. Go ahead and root around in there all you want, bitch. You don't need a warrant for that. You're going to need a warrant for that. I saw, and I knew because you told me, but I saw that you returned to Sunset Boulevard's favorite eatery, Horses, last night. I haven't been in a while. I don't think I'm allowed to go after a joke I made on Twitter, but you are able to go. How was it, and were there people there? It was. Yeah, I had like an early res, like 6 o'clock. The restaurant was definitely full. It was a nice vibe for like a chill kind of Wednesday in January. All the food, the menu was the same. Many familiar faces and servers. The restaurant was humming. All the food was good. Really no complaints whatsoever. It was a great day of eating. I went to Cafe Telegrama before for a lunch meeting with my friend Ian.

The good people over there blessed me with some more treats as well. And I'm starting to wonder now that I have two restaurant reviews under my belt, if when I go into restaurants, if people are wondering if I'm in the middle of reviewing the restaurant. I like that you think that, but I'm going to say... They probably are more worried about you talking shit here than that, to be honest, because people don't read. But I do think it's possible that... I mean, you're a member of the food community. It's no secret. I am. But I've been getting gifts from the kitchen for a long time now, and it feels different. It feels a little... I don't know. It could definitely just be me in my head. And like I said, I have two reviews under my belt, so it's not necessarily like I'm a Jonathan Gold-level powerhouse running this town and all that. But I feel like people are giving me free food at the restaurants more when I go just solo or with Carolyn. Having the notes app open on your phone does help to get free stuff sent out to you as well. You just leave it out kind of open. Maybe a guy over at Stir Crazy will take note of me jotting down and pen an essay. You never know what could happen. The world is your oyster. You know how I feel about free stuff. I prefer not to have it. I don't want to have to... It creates problems. A few desserts, I guess, is okay, but I don't like it. It's too much. I'm the opposite. It's too much. I'm the opposite. I don't want to be killed with desserts, which is usually what happens. The reality is, if I go to a restaurant, I order what I want. So anything you're sending me is stuff I didn't want or that I don't have room for because I'm full. Yeah, but the whole thing is... The whole point of doing that is there's something on the menu that you would want. You just don't know it yet. Of course. But yes. Yeah, of course. Now, I know that it's I know that being a chef is an ego driven thing and that you think everybody wants to try all of your creative flourishes, which is I think some people like you do. But if I order a, you know, margarita pizza, I don't need to be sent some of your more experimental dishes as well.

That's all I'm saying. Well, this is our struggle with our life, Chris. Nobody said it was going to be easy. Thank God we have better help. We have somebody to talk to about these woes. Because I'm like, how am I supposed to finish this whole pancake and tune them out? You know, it's tough. The treats at Telegramma are good, though. And I really liked the kale salad, actually. It was a nice surprise. A lot of people were getting the kale salad. My favorite part about it was... It's in a part of Hollywood which is not super desirable, especially for a person like you. Oh, Jason, are you talking about the new up-and-coming neighborhood of Melrose Hill, anchored by David Zwirner Gallery? What those guys are doing over at Zwirner? I mean, Melrose and Western, if you don't know, it's not the shittiest neighborhood in Hollywood, but it's a little run-down. It's a little scummy. And I was expecting it to be bad parking. You know, it's kind of like a gateway into Koreatown, which is notoriously some of the most difficult parking in America, probably. And I was delighted to pull up for my lunch meeting, which I was one minute late for. And I was like, I'm going to be 10 minutes late trying to find a parking spot. Guys are going to take a shit on the hood of my car, et cetera, et cetera. I pull up and there's a valet that costs $5. That's a nice place. At a modern, chic restaurant. To see a valet that's $5 for lunch, bump it up to $10 for dinner, whatever you want to do. $15, I don't give a fuck. But for a $5 daytime lunch valet that's easy and seamless, the car's right there, you can see it. It has that kind of Beverly Hills, Third Street, whatever kind of energy in a part of LA that has never had that. And I was proud of Melroseville. Proud of those people who are gentrifying. I'm proud of Melroseville too. It is a shit neighborhood. And parking, you know, weirdly when we went, I was able to find street parking. Disgusting. But it was like a Saturday morning at like 11 a.m. Okay, okay, okay. But I did see the valet and I thought about it because I assumed much like you would be, you know, 20 bucks. Yeah. And I saw a friend of the show, Melanie from Ghia there as well.

Having un petit business meeting lunch. Oh, great. Do they carry NAs there for Dry January or do you think she was having a hard one? She was having a PBR tall boy with her Jean-Marc. She was having a White Claw 0.0. Did you see the White Claw 0.0 for Dry January? This is real. I'm like, I don't... You know what? White Claw, obviously I've never had one because those were invented after I stopped. But the smell of White Claw reminds me of kind of the smell of Red Bull where it's something that I equate with like a gas station and not positively. The thought of sucking down a watermelon, non-alcoholic White Claw to just kind of get your afternoon started is insane to me. Insane. I agree. There's something about the Red Bull flavor. I don't know, like the odor of that taurine formula from Red Bull is sort of grandfathered in as lore that's okay with my palate. But the new flavors, the new offerings like that, it enters this chemical zone that just feels so... wrong and so unnatural like um like liquid death no i think that's the point though kind of like i think that that's like what people want i think they've been sold it for so long that's what they want now yeah kind of but people want diet coke more than coke they want watermelon juice more than watermelon watermelon flavored juice okay so Melanie was not drinking a 0.0 from our friends at White Claw. That's good to know because that would have been weird if she was doing that because she kind of makes the superior product. That would be very weird. And it would be even more weird for an emerging culinary destination to serve White Claw, especially the non-alcoholic one. But I've also been upset to learn when I thought I invented the phrase damp January.

I realized that. I think it's been existing for a while. I also realized that. That's so funny. I also realized that when I was like, oh, I don't know why, but maybe I Googled it. And it was just like thousands of results, like the New York Times, the Guardian. And I was like, okay. So, Jason, this was just kind of – you soaked this up somewhere along the way, no pun intended. To defend myself, I will have to embarrass myself. I literally went on thesaurus.com to try to find the perfect adjective to describe my January. Did we find one? It was damp. I was like, damp January. This is perfect. That's a good way to do it. And I said it, and you were into it. Both of us were clueless to the fact that it has been existing. And then other people... We're also affected by this because people started sending me ad campaigns and millennial branding thingies and other things where it's like, yo, you know, the gone effect. You said damn January. And now look at this company's doing damn January fucking coasters or whatever, you know. And I was like. I don't think they threw this together in eight hours after listening to my podcast. I like you guys giving me credit, but I did not come. I just perfected it. You perfected it. Chances are it was not birthed from my mental. Chances are. All right. We do have guests today. We're going to be joined by some legends, Carrie and Corinne from Slater Kinney. They have a new album coming out, Little Rope, I believe soon, like January 19th. Very, very soon. I gave Shorty a Little Rope. I'm interested to see if they're coming to us from the Pacific Northwest, a place that I would love someone to explain to me. Okay. Tapping in from Pete Town. We can get into that. We can get into that with our guests. I'm sure they're going to want to wake up and have the first thing they do is defend a city that they live to a stranger. Let's give her a call. They've had to do worse. They've had to do worse. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian, stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down.

The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. platform they're not afraid to say what they want to say brother yeah Rupert ain't sniffing around in in what uh journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at uh stateside but yeah listen wherever you get your podcast you can watch it on YouTube it's three times a week and and who couldn't use more news you know especially especially when it's when it's not you know from here let's say give it give it give it a listen give it a listen all right this episode of how long gone is brought to you by Quince Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable, and they're just easy but still put together. I don't look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. Upgrade that look starting at just $34. You know, if you get a nice linen suit, a little t-shirt underneath it, some chill shoes, you're looking good, but you're staying cool. The inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties. So elevate that summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns, even on a nice holiday now available in Canada.

That is Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash how long. That'll get you free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince punto com slash how long. Thank you guys for joining us. And I want to talk about headphones for a second just because it was it was top of mind. And I didn't know we had such a beats. fan in the building today on How Long Gone. If you want to say something to the Beats Corporation, we're going to give you the floor. Thank you. I appreciate that because there was a joke made about me entering my Beats closet, which if I possibly could have, I absolutely would have. I literally can't listen to music on anything but Beats headphones. I know that's weird, but I don't know if you know this, but every time we're listening to mixes... I can only listen to it on Beats headphones. Everything else sounds like garbage to me. Are you getting paid for this? This is insane. It feels like a bid. If you're not getting paid. Well, Kerry, it'll be in exchange for products. Don't worry. We'll get some over it. Look, we can't afford to pay you right now, but we can definitely send you free products. Corinne, is it like when you finish recording the demo and you do the car test and you're like, it only sounds good in my 89 Honda Accord. That's the reference monitor that I know. Is that the Beats for you kind of vibe? Absolutely. Okay. I mean, I will listen to it in the car as an exception. Yes, I do listen to the mixes in the car. Sitting in your car with the beats in your ears. She's in the Volvo with the beats on. I'm like, the system is sick. It sounds great in here. That's funny you say that because I was always under the impression. Um, I'm not a beats loyalist, but not, not, I have some and they're good, but I, I was always under the impression they were like bass heavy or something. Isn't, aren't they known for like low end? Well, yeah, that's, that's what I like. I do in the band. So of course, like, so you want, so you want to hear, you want to hear your shit loud and clear everything else. Oh, guess what? Bass player likes to beat, but they're, they're not typically known as maybe the audio files first.

choice no shade to your favorite brand so i like it it's like when you're like you know what i don't want cheddar on my burger give me the american and you're like i get it absolutely yeah okay so you would do that i'm a little bit with jason on this if i listened to one of our mixes on beats i would have to cross reference with another product i think with another setup but i appreciate your loyalty and i hope whatever kind of deal you have with them is going really well If you want a signature model, there's ways to do that. What if Corinne just lifted her hand up and there's a new gold Rolex right there? Things are going pretty well over at the Beats Corporation. We love the Apple Corporation. They do own Beats. Headphones have become such a part of our... I've been struggling with this on the show because I... We got my father-in-law a pair of the Apple, the Overear, the Big Dog for Christmas, and he considers himself to be what he calls critical listener of music. I love that. He sits in his room, nothing going on, just headphones on, just blasting the Beach Boys, soaking it in. He's older. Well, there may or may not be an edible in play, 5 to 10 milligrams. Yeah, he probably is a little high. He's probably a little high, but I mean, I guess he made them. I'd never tried them on before, so I tried them on, and they felt like a warm hug. They felt like a brace on the ear. They gripped so nicely, and they felt worth $600. They felt substantial. Gorilla Group. And now, you know, you can customize. I don't know if you guys know. You can engrave your headphones if you order them from the Apple Corporation. So now I'm struggling with, and I want your opinion on this. Should I go phone number? Full name. What do you guys think? Because Jason makes fun of me for full name. Phone number seems maybe more serviceable if I lost them, left them on an airplane or something. What do you think? I think name.

I think they are. I think initials are cooler than full name. Phone number seems thirsty a little bit. You're sitting next to someone on a plane and they look over. You're already assuming you're losing them. What about for just the person walking by you, sitting next to you, and they're like, this guy has his phone number on there. I didn't give you the full. The engraving is on the top. It's not like an advertisement on the outside. It is slightly obscure. I was making fun of him because he has the little AirPods case, the little thingy, and he has his name engraving. Yeah, he has that. Imagine if it had your full name in all caps written across it. Well, it just feels it feels like when you go to kindergarten and you have to write your name on your backpack. So, you know, it has like that kind of vibe. But also, Chris, Chris's name is so there's, you know, there's thousands of Chris Blacks in the world. I was going to say, you guys are all jealous because maybe your name won't fit because of the character limitations. And that's that's really what the stunt is, is that I my name is given by God in perfect kind of. size and shape. You're not Christopher? Okay, let's not. We don't have to go there. Okay? You know, I have a middle name too. Not cool, Carrie. You're going to be stunned to find out I also have a middle name. So it's not technically perfect. It's not my government. It's not my passport. But it feels like my only gift, to be honest. I get it. I get it. I go for it. But also... I think CB, I mean, we shared those initials. I would be excited if we both went CB. Okay, so I'm pretty big monogram hive in general on a sweater, a scarf, you know. Are you guys monogram fans? Imagine his tote bag selection. I mean, I'm crazy with it. I mean, this is from my sister-in-law. So she chain stitched that for you is what that looks like. She acquired it. Oh, okay, okay. Someone on Etsy did for sure, though. You guys do a lot of shopping on Etsy? I have to say no to that. I'm so sorry. You didn't say no. I have to say no. I like the say it like you mean it. I like the comma position after the say it. It's all there. It's nice. I think the comma position. To move on from. I was just going to say, I think the comma position is confusing. You staunchly disagree with Jason. Making note of it.

was my nice way of maybe saying what Carrie said. But in the spirit of headphones and your microphone here, I've been listening to a few interviews with you on podcasts and reading and things like that, and you mentioned kind of the old, like, late 90s, early 2000s NPR voice that happens in interviews, and then, you know, there's like the SNL NPR skit where it kind of implodes on itself and blah, blah, blah. But now that we are in the year of 2024, we have these setups in our homes, we have these microphones. Do you feel like you have become the NPR person that you used to make fun of back in the day? Maybe not your person, but how you speak. You know what? This particular microphone with the sort of arm and the extendable arm, I think this does lend itself to a little bit. of an NPR, you kind of settle into it a little bit and then you get quiet. And I can feel it happening. And it picks it all up. It almost works better the quieter you speak. Yeah, I think it really does. But I guess more so the overarching point is, is it unavoidable for people like us? To not enter that NPR way of speaking once you kind of hit a certain age and you've been interviewed this many times and you've read enough books and made enough pots of beans. Yeah, I think there's a direct correlation between the amount of beans I've cooked over the stove and books I've read. Okay, so you read and cook beans? I know. How much time do we have? I thought you had more going on. Well, with bean cookery, it takes a long time. It's low and slow. Four or five chapters in between a stir. It's low and slow. Corinne, what are top five beans to cook, dead or alive? What do you say, Corinne? Okay, you've got to get her. I would say. First of all, you have to. I know it's hard. I had to teach my dad this when I first met Corinne. It's Corinne. Just imagine corn like the best vegetable. Corn. Sorry, sorry. I'm sure she loves that.

I will clean this up in post, and I'm sorry. No, it's fine. I like dubbing the word corn every time you say corn. Corn actually hates it because of the demonic device I gave my dad and my sister. My dad adapted fine. He says corn, but my sister still just calls her corn. Well, I mean, is your sister 12, or is she kind of a full-grown? She's a full-grown woman, but for some reason that really imprinted upon her when I said just... Please don't say Corinne. Just think of corn. And she just stuck with corn pretty literally. The heart wants what the heart wants. Regardless, though, we're not going to breeze past this bean stuff. So if you don't mind kind of telling us what you love. Oh, sorry. I actually don't cook any beans. I don't like lentils. I'm not a fan of legumes. I'm a little bit allergic to soy. I don't do a lot of bean cooking. Hold on one second. You're from the Pacific Northwest and you're allergic to soy? That seems like a problem. Well, you know what, though? I feel like the tide has turned on so people aren't, you know, we don't encourage each other to eat. It's not good to eat a lot of soy. Well, you know, it's funny. Jason's wife is a Starbucks apologist. Green Straw Mafia is what we call them. And she, part of the reason she loves to go there is because they still offer. a classic soy latte like it is 1998. Back when soy milk had 1,100 grams of sugar in each cup. It tastes insane. When it would get you high, basically. But I do think that the I'm an almond milk guy, if I have to have a dairy substitute, and it's now passe. It's been passed over. It's being removed. It's been replaced by oat, and oat is out because of seed oil. So are the two of you back on whole milk and sugar? Are we drinking whole milk now? I drink almond milk with cereal or smoothie. I'll use almond milk. But for coffee, I prefer dairy milk for sure. And whole milk or half and half. It's the best for coffee. Half and half feels the most old school, actually. That feels like...

Rust Belt vibes? Shelf Stable. I'm serving a lot of Rust Belt chic on my coffee. I have every kind of milk in the fridge. I have two kids, and it's like it's all milk. It's like oat milk, almond, any kind of milk, whatever nutrition you need. Coconut. Coconut. Hemp milk. Macadamia? Not cheap. Cashew? So the Tucker house, you're a milk sommelier is what it sounds like. So your kids are, but maybe, I mean, it's probably because you guys raised them this way, but they're open to these alternative milks. They're not whole diehards. I feel like actually soy milk is like my vibe, like my true power source. No, honestly, my son, who's like 22 now, was like, well, and he's six feet tall. He's like, I owe it all to soy milk. What? Working for the soy lobby. This does feel like you're in the pockets of big soy, I have to say. Yeah, you are. I am. Without my soy milk and my Beats by Dre headphones, I would still be in the five. I don't know what to do. I'm 6'4", and I say the same thing to my mother. about drinking whole milk because I would, we've talked about this before, I would, in the 90s, I would like come in from playing with my friends and just gulp down a giant glass of milk like it was fucking Gatorade. As you would. Oh, it quenches that thirst. I love it. I don't want to boast. I don't want to boast, but I also have never broken a bone. Knock on wood. So you tell me. Me neither. Me neither. Really? And I've never had a cavity. Yeah, but you seem careful. I don't. You don't know me. No, I don't. I don't. Well, I still drink whole milk glasses of it to this day, and I probably have two broken bones on my body right now for all I know. I'm just kind of living through it. But you don't know, and the fact that you don't know is due to milk. That's a positive. Yeah, my body's like, you broke your ankle, and I'm like, I'm good. Yeah, you just kind of grit. Thanks to the good people at Strauss Creamery, I think I'll be fine. Yeah, there's been a big raw milk movement among extremists.

that Jason is adjacent to, I shun completely and want no part of that. You're going to end up with something with raw milk. The word raw... Yeah, I'm going to end up with great skin, longer life. I'm going to add two inches to my penis size. I will get some bacteria. I'll have to lose a limb. Do you know what this does for eyelashes? I mean, it's amazing what he looks like. I can't wear sunglasses anymore. All the raw milk I had to throw in my sunglasses. Yeah, pasteurization, no, I don't care for it at all. Well, I mean, you guys both live, are you in the Pacific Northwest? Yeah, we're both in Portland. We talked on the last episode about kind of the need for an old school. health food kind of resurgence like a 90s kind of simplistic because it's been it's gone too far the other way it's gone into like beyond meat and all this like impossible cheeseburgers and arowan all that food health food needs to taste a little shitty to make it work and health food tastes too good now and the pacific northwest likely the epicenter of some of the greatest 90s health food restaurants. I can only imagine the avocado sprout sandwiches that the two of you consumed over the years. Olympia is known for those sandwiches. I know that. I can't remember the name of the restaurant. Yeah, what were the places back in the day? Regalus. Dancing Goats in Olympia. I feel like that was the coffee shop. Dancing Goats. Okay, so they're playing REM on the jukebox. You go in, you get a black coffee and kind of like a bagel sandwich. A bagel. Oh, a bagel. You get a bagel with hummus and sprouts. Put your cigarette out on the bagel. Fuck it. Is that kind of vibe? Yeah. A bagel with hummus and sprouts. Remember just sprouts? On everything. Not bean sprouts, but the other ones. Alfalfa. Alfalfa sprouts. Alfalfa sprouts. Just a pile of... with alfalfa sprouts on top of something. I have a bowl of that in my refrigerator that's slowly getting slimier and unused ear every day. Unused ear? Okay, so you would go to Dancing Goat. Was this a hot spot? It's a hot spot. When it's your only coffee shop, it is by default the hot spot. Good luck getting a table at the goat. Let's just say that.

Okay, did either of you work there? No. No, Corinne, where did you work? Corinne, what was that? Oh, my God. I worked in a... Happy Teriyaki. Happy Teriyaki, Tom Water. How can I help you? Happy Teriyaki is a great name. Very good. I can only imagine how brown that rice was. What did you do there besides bide your time? I... Master the art of walk cookery. They did not let me in the kitchen. Absolutely not. I actually developed tennis elbow from walk cookery. It affected my bass playing. It was unfortunate. It was helping people to their table. taking their things when they were done. I can't even claim that I was a waitress. I wasn't even a waitress because you order at the counter. Did they pay you? Were you paid? This is an internship. Marginally paid. I learned a lot. I got school credit. I got credit. So you're saying you weren't a server, but you're also denying the hostess allegations? I don't understand. That's a host job, right? That's a host position if you're seating people? Sure, sure. I was a hostess, yeah. I don't want to box you in. Obviously, you're more than that. There's nothing wrong with that. I think server is probably the right term. Just call it if you were a polymath. You were a polymath at Happy Teriyaki. I was whatever needed to get done. Were you to be happy with your teriyaki? Corrin owned a part of the franchise. They actually called me the Swiss Army Knife as a nickname because I just kind of could do everything around the restaurant. Corrin, at the time, were you goth by chance? No. Okay. I wasn't goth. I think I had an unfortunate haircut. Oh, we knew that going into it. It's 1994 in Olympia, Washington. You had like a pineapple haircut. Shaved with like a little pineapple top. Yeah. Pineapple haircut? You said that like it's a thing that we all know. That's just what I'm calling it. Okay. So like shaved on the sides and like the green part of the pineapple or the pine part of the pineapple? It's like shaved on the sides and the pine part. You know it's the pine part. I had a feeling. I had a feeling. It went through several colors while I was working there, I think. So it went through a rainbow of colors, but I did try and, you know,

I do think it was more red most of the time to try and be somewhat professional. So you stayed away from the purples and the fuchsias and stuck to a nice corporate red for the hair. Corporate red. Got it. I was corporate red in the 90s, yes. Both of you guys have great hair. Thank you. Yeah, you guys both. Thank you. Hair's looking good. Appreciate it. Ladies, ladies, hair's looking good. Thanks. I'm happy to have. Have hair. Look, I'm just happy to have hair. It's an honor to be nominated. I just, you know. You guys seem to have like, also when I was listening to other interviews with you, talking about how you guys, since you have the relationship over so many years, you have an unspoken kind of understanding with each other, finishing each other's sentences and stories. with a little yes and going on from, you know, you guys know how to talk to each other and not talk and let each other go. All that is to say, why don't you two have a buddy bro podcast? You're kind of leaving money on the table in 2024. What's going on here? We can make some introductions to, I mean, if you need. I know you have agents and shit, but sometimes you know how those people... Podcasting is one of the only ways you can make money in 2024. You guys know that, right? That might be true. And we are probably leaving money on the table. We would rather... circumvent our agents and have you guys do a little done yeah and i hope you're all i hope you're all listening they take 20 we take 12.5 you'll you'll find you like it and you can pay us kind of whenever you know what i mean we'll give you it's not our main source of income so we'll take a little time but but all that is to say honestly you guys have a good back and forth rapport you can get serious you can have jokey funny time i think it's something to consider obviously you guys are busy and you have lots of other things going on and families and jobs and stuff but You know, consider it. Do you listen to podcasts? Because that's the first mistake. The first mistake to not listen to them or to overly listen to them? The key to being a podcaster is not listening to podcasts. Okay. Well, I feel like I've got that covered because I don't. I'm sorry. You're like, I've never heard your little bullshit. I just show up where I was told to be. Why don't you listen to podcasts, Corinne? What's up? I like to listen. You like music?

Bullshit. And I like books in my ears when I'm getting stuff done. It's usually a mystery. I like to know what happens. I want to talk about this. She listens to podcasts. So I do sort of joint listen. She knows what they are. I think your husband listens to this podcast. He's been on it. He better listen to it. He does. Tell him we say hi, by the way. Books, yeah. One of the greats. Books on tape. Which does sound old school, but you know what I mean. Yeah, audiobooks. Audiobooks. Do you feel like it's cheating? Or do you feel like this is the best way to get the information with our busy lifestyles? You listen to it on two times. I feel like my lifestyle. Yeah, you passed. Okay, it's better. I only listen to it on 1.0. But I feel like it's more of like a comfort thing. Like, I honestly, I feel like I'm kind of addicted to it. Okay. Well, look, it's better than OxyContin. It could be worse. I mean, yeah. It could be. There are worse things I could indulge myself in. It also sounds like it's better than having to listen to your own internal thoughts. Number one. Fair enough. Yes. Number one. Also, you saying that you're addicted to audiobooks is one of the most Etsy things I've ever heard. And I'm sure someone on Etsy was racing to make my addiction that t-shirt. I'm addicted. I'm addicted to audiobooks on a nice kind of crew neck sweatshirt. We're doing numbers. Yeah, you need a shirt that says sex-based mystery audiobooks and chill embroidered. A sex-based mystery? Where is the penis? What do you mean a sex-based mystery? What are they looking for? It's a real whodunit. I found the murderer. I had to have sex with him. It was a long story. He's super hot. You would get it if you met him. It's that kind of vibe. Oh, write the book. Write this book. There's a big uptick in kind of, you know, there was a lot of those kind of hot murderer, you know. That's a common trope. Because you get the mystery, but then if we can get him out of that shirt at the same time, you know, why the hell not, right? Yeah, let's kill two birds with one stone. Why mysteries, though? Because they kind of grip you?

Like you get wrapped up in it and you can forget what you're doing kind of vibe? Exactly. Exactly. You know, there's a lot of chore time being a mom and just, you know, life. I can't imagine cleaning up after a 22-year-old. That's fucking crazy. It's a lot. It's a lot. Never washed a dish in his fucking life, I bet. No, he's actually, he's good at that, actually. He's good. But, you know, there's a lot of driving. It's the one thing. The amount of driving is insane. I don't want to be on the streets of Portland that much time every day. I need to be in a haunted English manor. The dead guy was rich and he was kind of a jerk. And there's a woman in there who's going to fix everything. But hot, but hot. She's solving that goddamn mystery. Korn, do you worry that you're going to run out of these mysteries at some point? Or are there enough of them to keep you going? They're being churned out at such a rapid pace. It's like an Amazon shipping facility over there. But with Amazon products, that's fine. But with a mystery novel that y'all's big brains are absorbing, we need quality over quantity, right? Yeah. Just because it's there, we need it to be good as well. have like certain things that i'm going for it can't be too i don't like the gory i don't think things are like too gory and gross like it's definitely there's definitely got to be like a cozy vibe happening right i'm driving no organ play got it yeah bestiality is off the table so you're saying that you it needs to feel In a Great British Bake Off kind of way? Nothing bad is going to happen except... Not that cozy. Okay. Not that cozy. Pull it back. Okay, because I'm trying to understand how I can kind of combine the worlds of murder and cozy into something that's good. I'm having a tough time. Well, I would say someone like... Have you ever read Louise Penny, Corin, or listened to Louise Penny? Yeah. Yeah, so she's kind of... Love Louise Penny. Absolutely. She's a French-Canadian, potentially, writer, and her mysteries...

are a little cozy. I think there's something about, it's kind of in that Agatha Christie, Dorothy Sayers world. Okay, but like a Nancy Meyers movie kind of cozy. Yeah, with blood, with a knife, with a stabbing. You're in a long knit sweater and there's a knife in your back. The clothes are important. So this is one that kept getting suggested to me, the Thursday Murder Club. And it takes place in a retirement home. And I was like, no, I'm not listening to that. No, I kept saying no. You're going to die anyway. Why do you need to murder him? I finally ran out of everything else. You're way too young for that, Corinne. This is the best. I listened to it and I was like, this is one of the best books I've heard in my ears, in my Beats headphones. Oh, geez. What's his last name? John Ossoff or Onof or something. Richard Osman. Very close. Dick Osman? Yeah, Dick Osman. But the women in it are absolutely in charge. How much sex is there in the book? And is it like Lil Wayne descriptive? Yes, graphic. See, I'm really against graphic sex lyrics. It's not graphic. There's some occasional romance. in these books? Sure. Who doesn't like a little romance in their audio book? There's nothing wrong with that. You don't need to judge me. Chris is saying he doesn't want to have to ever read the word come in text. Absolutely not. Okay. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung, TaskRabbit. You need a fucking something put together, a cabinet. Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf. TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. And, I mean, how it works, TaskRabbit connects you with skilled taskers in your area. They can help you move. They can assemble furniture.

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Head to squarespace.com slash howlong for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code howlong to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. Because I'd hate to get cum on my long sweater, so I was just making sure that wasn't. No, you don't get cum on your long sweater. There's an occasional situation that happens between two consenting adults in these books. Sure. I just want to be clear. Everyone has consented to this intercourse in this fictional tale. Well, this sounds like a great podcast idea. Absolutely. Korn's Mystery Corner. Every week we tackle a new sexual bloody thingy. Because this is the biggest genre of, this is like, that kind of podcast is the biggest money-making genre of podcast. Absolutely. That is actually what prompted me to take a break from podcasts for a while because I was listening to... Copious amount of podcasts, really enjoying them. But everyone kept recommending when I would then finish a podcast, I would ask a group of friends, what are you guys listening to? They would always send a podcast about a cold case murder of a woman or a woman getting catfished. I was like, isn't there any other subject in the world? Why are so many podcasts about some terrible cold case? where, you know, they're finding remains or this woman disappeared and it's just, it's the husband. It's always the same. It's always the husband. You should check out, there's a podcast called The Joe Rogan Experience. It doesn't talk about any stuff like that. It's kind of about working out and kind of just bettering yourself, really. Maybe that could be something you could benefit from. Okay, I appreciate that, yeah. Thanks for pointing me in a different direction. Never heard of Joe Rogan or his podcast. I didn't know if you had a Spotify subscription or not. It's kind of behind the paywall, so it's tough. It's tough. It's hard to get through. I have to tell you about my best audiobook moment ever, though, is that there is a great author that writes thrillers that are also mysteries, but they're mostly known as thrillers. Who? Her name is Karen Slaughter. Karen Slaughter. Say his name.

Say her name. Karen Slaughter. One of her characters in one of her recent books is she's a detective. She's a cop that becomes a detective. Nice. Reads about Portland and is like, oh, I know about that bar because I heard Slater Kinney played it. Oh, okay. That's cool. That's exciting. That's exciting. In the book. That's exciting. Did you send Slaughter a DM? I've been trying to get a hold of her discreetly, but I haven't really figured that out. That's what a DM is. That's literally, you just defined what a DM is. I don't even, Carrie does that kind of stuff. I'm like, I don't know what that means even. Wait, you can't just drop Carrie does that kind of stuff. No, let's clarify. Let me clarify that. It's just that I understand. I know the definition of a DM, which is discreetly getting a hold of someone. She doesn't drive the van. She just knows how to drive. Yeah, I know what it is. So whoever has keys to the Sleater Kenny Instagram account, send the DM from that one. Slaughter's going to lose her shit. Yeah, Slaughter's going to lose her shit. Yeah, for sure. You're going to get the signed copy to the house. Yeah, you're going to get a galley of her next tome. It's going to be big. Well, actually, you know what? This is what you should do, Quinn. For the next record, maybe there's a song about this happening. Maybe you mentioned a Karen Slaughter reference in a song. Love Full Circle. Love that. A little payback. In a nice way. Not in a murdery way. In a nice way. It's a nice Easter egg. I can facilitate that for you, Corinne. Let me find her info on Instagram and I will. Serve it to you in a bar. How often are you cold DMing, Carrie? Because there's been some claims made. No, I rarely cold DM. The only cold DM I have done recently that was actually reaching out to someone and asking something, it was to J. Smith Cameron, who is an actress. She plays Jerry on Succession. And I noticed she was following me on my personal account. I guess we were mutual followers of each other.

And I wanted her to be in our video. And so I DM'd her. And she wrote back yes. She said yes. And then we took it offline and made it official through her representation and all that stuff. It started with a DM. I love that. Like a lot of great relationships these days. That's a great success story, and I'm proud of you. It's a great succession. Success story. Golden Globe Award winning actress, correct? Didn't she just win last week? The show won. She was nominated. She did not win. But I was rooting for her. She was up against some pretty intense... She was up against true leading ladies. It was a tough category. It was a tough category. Yeah, she was a favorite on that show. And I watched the video this morning. She's like black and white only. She's been dying to go maestro mode. Did you guys see Maestro? I haven't been able to sit down for that one. Sorry, I didn't mean to sigh before answering that question. I just watched it over the weekend. You know what my new rating system of a movie is? How many times I look at my phone during it. That should be a rating system for any piece of art. I only check my phone once. Zero times checking phone. That's like five stars. You know what I mean? That's the true way. I think it's the most legitimate way of knowing if something is engrossing and immersive and is able to capture your imagination and prevent you from doing anything else. That's a movie I love. What an unfortunate and dark measure of scale, though, in these trying times. But it's true. And you're speaking specifically for watching a film at home, not in a theater. Oh, I check in the theater. I don't give a shit. I got messages to respond to. Oh, yeah, I don't give a shit. I'm not, like, egregious with it. I'm not a cinephile by any means. You know what I mean? I don't think I'm interrupting someone tearing up during moonlight. It's not that crazy. Chris, have you ever watched a YouTube video while in a movie theater? Like watching a different, better movie? No, I wouldn't do that. But I'm a person who is, for better or worse, addicted to my cellular telephone. And I can't.

I can't really go without it, especially for these movies. They're so fucking long. It's crazy. You expect me to not look at my phone for three hours? One reason I like to go to the cinema is because I am a rule follower in that way, and I like to just shut the rest of the world out, immerse myself in the theater for better or worse, which is how we used to see movies. We would sit through a movie we weren't that fascinated by, and we would sit through great movies. But I like that. It just takes it out of the equation. I don't check my phone in the theater. I'm not mad at you for checking. Do you take calls? Would you take a call? No. I'm rolling calls in the back row. Go for CB. Go for Chris. We're not going to be able to do that. You know the timeline is too fucking tight. Don't call me again. But I think you need to put the phone away in the theater because we have the ring cams and the baby cams and the citizen alerts and all those things. Yeah. Having those pop up, it will ruin your vacation. Yes. It will ruin your movie. I really try to keep my phone away from me. If I'm trying to be with people, like have people over, I just put my phone in the other room. That ability to focus and be present, it is so scarce at this point. You know what I would love, Chris, is if you were doing this podcast right now inside of me. On a second hit Angelica right now, there's definitely something showing at Angelica at 2 p.m. on a Thursday afternoon, no question. And you would be the only person who bought a ticket, likely? That's definitely true. Suck it, Maestro. But speaking of black and white films about conductors, did you love Tar? How many times did you look at your phone during tar? Not once, and I actually saw that in a theater and didn't feel the length. The length of that film, if you just look at the running time, read about it, you think, oh, that's so daunting. But I thought Blanchett was so incredible in that. I loved that movie. Me too. Not black and white, though.

The cover is black and white and the film feels black and white, but you are correct. Maestro is mostly black and white. It feels black and white. Based on her hair color and her sweater colors, it may as well have been. It's just black and white. That's true. Do you sleep? with your phone in the room, or do you have it charging in another room? I should. Korn, you do a separate room, Korn? Separate room. I really try and separate myself from the phone. It's so bad for us. That's pro shit. Do you have those frequency-blocking crystals at either end of your bed to block the Wi-Fi signal from entering your brain and telling you about 5G and stuff? I don't believe in the crystal stuff, but I do really think that all the sleep hygiene stuff, is really important sleep hygiene not having your phone yeah not drinking all the coffee and the wine and everything at night i'm just i'm a nerd about that kind of stuff okay i'm a pacific northwestern so don't chug coffee before bed interesting okay got it all right so i'm not going to do any cocaine before bedtime i totally i hear you i hear you and i i appreciate that what is the what is the What is your, are you getting 10 hours? Like how serious, like what are we doing? Or is it just high quality rim eight hours? How high is the gene? Yeah. So it's, you know, it's like probably eight hours, eight and a half hours every night. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I know. Must be nice. I got eight hours. You're burying the lead here that. Her father is a neuroscientist. Okay, okay, so you're cheating. He knows his stuff, and by default, by proximity, corn knows his stuff. So you're a nepo-sleeper is what you are. I'm a nepo-sleeper. So your dad specifically studies brain and sleep and those thingies? Yes, correct. Cool. Okay, here it is. This is my biggest plug of the day. Move over, Beats.

We not only study sleep, but we are able to lengthen. And three, which is deep sleep, right? That's the most important sleep that you get during the night. Is that stage three sleep? That's where your brain clears out all the junk, right? All those neurotoxins. And we know that it's related to neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's. We're studying being able to... possibly interrupt the decline from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's and other dementia. Okay. So I have a follow-up question. When you're clearing out that neurotoxin junk from your body, is that what happens when I have one of those night sweats? No. No, that's from the three martinis, Chief. That's not. Or is that just from my crippling anxiety? So that would be happening in a different stage of sleep. Okay. So the N3, it's harder to get as you get older. That's a problem with the deep sleep, which is where you don't move at all. Nobody can wake you up. Babies are born getting a lot of that deep sleep. But as you age, that goes away. Let's just say a 41-year-old man who's in great health. What can we expect as far as deep sleep goes? If I was really doing it, if I'm getting eight hours, how many of those are? And three. Well, your sleep cycle goes through about a 45-minute cycle, right? In N2, that's kind of like your dummy sleep where you're just like resting. Not like my laundry. And then I believe you go into N3 if you can get there, if your brain is still. If you can even do it. If you can do it. If that's something that you do, you get there for a few minutes and then you go into the REM sleep. Those two sleeps are really important to both still have. There's a coupling that happens with long-term memory and reorganization of the day's events that happens with the brain. So these are both really important. Okay. So aside from strenuous exercise, switching from sativa to indica, what are some other things I can do to increase my N3 sleep? Well, I'm sorry to say marijuana is not helpful. Oh, don't do that. You're going to ruin this guy's life. Well, Sleater Kenny's new album is out January 19th.

So you're saying that drugs and alcohol don't actually help you get quality sleep? Is that what you're saying? I'm so sorry. Maybe the raw milk is really the answer. I don't know. You can see Jason's infrared sauna to the left here. I love that. I go to one maybe once or twice a week when I'm in L.A. It's just easier to do there. And I find that that is when I get my deepest sleep. If I do a 45-minute infrared sauna in the afternoon, that night's sleep is just, oh, baby. It's also the only place I can get any reading done nowadays with these distractions. My phone will melt, so a good sweaty book in there, nice analog book. I just love the feel of the pages. Sweaty pages in a sauna. Yeah. Yeah, I just love it. I love when the book grows because of moisture. Well, the book grows as if I'm growing mushrooms in there or something like that. But then when you're done with the book, you get the amazing kind of cathartic experience of throwing it away because it is undonatable or unusable. And there is kind of... A dark, masochistic rush that you get from throwing a book away. You know what I mean? More so than an old DVD of Anchorman 2 or something. Yeah, more so than burning books. I like to get them really wet in the garbage. That's a real F you. F you, man. I'm getting this book wet. Damn, wedding books. That's nice. Yeah. Let's have a wedding book party. That's a good idea. Everybody brings out their hose kind of to the middle of town. That could be fun. Yeah. That could be good. Try reading these. You can't. Every year, Chris and I, we speak obviously in a lot of slang terms and the language and the zeitgeist and the words that we're using are always changing. And I try to pay attention to them at the beginning of the year. And I've noticed that, Carrie, you've said the word.

perennial a little bit recently, and I've seen it popping up a little bit here and there. I think perennial is going to be the new word, the new first word of 2024. What say you, Carrie? First of all, thank you for pointing that out because I go on these linguistic runs where I feel like I get a word in my brain and I just, especially if we're doing an interview cycle, but yes, just in life. It's true. It's not even divorced even from the idea of interviews. We just start to go on these tears with words. See? Divorced. Marked it. Go ahead. Yep. That's probably another one I'm overusing. Yep. Here we go again. I need to slow down. Anyhow, I don't think it will be perennial. The word of the year, I think, was Riz. It beat out Swifties. Riz is out. Riz is out already. Perennial's in. Okay. Yeah, I think for our age group, Riz was never an option. Oh, absolutely not. And I think perennial's feels... Korn's 22-year-old probably said it a little bit more than we did. Yeah, I'm sure you heard Riz a lot around your house, unless he's smart. Oh, well, my 15-year-old was all about. So he would be like, Mom, I've got Riz. I can't even imagine. Mom, I can't go to school today. I've got Riz. I don't think her 15-year-old son's going to be like, what's up, mom? I rizzed up this hottie at school today. You know, you don't discuss things like that with your mother, right? Yeah, that's with the homies when you're gaming and stuff. You don't do that with mom and dad. He does that in his Call of Duty chat rooms. Exactly. Okay, I have a real question here. Yeah. When did you age out of contemporary lingo and slang? What is the cutoff point? Because I feel like there's just a certain time where I just thought, I'm not adopting these new words. No way. It's going to sound false. Can you teach me how to do that, please? Are you saying giat, too? I would say that that is happening to me right now because I grew up in Orange County, so awful slang is inherently in my DNA, and I say bro every single day of my life. Unironically, it's a disease.

But when I hear the riz and the giat, especially coming out of your mouth was enjoyable. Those are ones where I'm like, I can roll off the tongue. It's a word by word basis where sometimes a new word like that will emerge and I'll be like, this is a coat that I try on and I like it. But riz or the G word that you said will never earnestly leave my lips. I suffer from, there are things that I swore I would not say when they became part of the vernacular. And then I did adopt them. And now, like I say, lit. I was going to ask you about lit and fire. You do all that. Lit type fire. Fire, I would say I've retired unless it's maybe an occasional emoji. But with lit, I just feel like it's so descriptive. and fun to say. It's an exclamation almost. What about tight? Are you... No, I don't really say tight. I do say sick, unfortunately, which is... Sick, yeah. But that's kind of SoCal, though. But I'm not from... I have no excuse. I'm from Atlanta, Georgia. I have no reason to say that. Okay. Like, I have no... But by spending time with this guy, I don't have any excuse. I still refer to things as da bomb. Oh, da bomb. Like, if you have a really good quesadilla, that's the bomb. Yeah. I think Da Bomb could have come fully back around, and it does feel ironic when you say it in a charming way. You know what word I think that I really like that I think should come back is choice. That is choice. Like choice nugs. These are some choice nugs, brother. I think choice is good. I think the West Coast, and especially Southern California, a huge exporter of slang, obviously. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Besides Australia. Avocados, slang, the list goes wrong. Australia's got the best slang in the world, I would say, probably. But Australia is San Diego as a country, so they're connected. That's a good point. There's a through line. If San Diego was a continent, they probably have a cute word for funeral over there. You know what I mean? Funi. Funi. Funi.

My grandma and Dawn have got to go to a funy. That's good. That really rolls off. That's nice. And it seems very plausible that that is a real thing that someone has said. Yeah. When last time I was in Australia, it was hospital night. And that's not hospital, which you're thinking. That's a Monday. Yeah, my grandma's in the hospital. Hospitality. It's hospitality, yeah. Industry night is what we call it here in the U.S. None of the pubs are open. You're meant to fend for yourself. You guys have like a deep... ish history with australia right yeah it's it's a little bit of an odd way to start a band with someone but we technically started in the states but we were as we sort of alluded to earlier living in this small college town had a very insular punk scene and in order to kind of get away from just that sense of like claustrophobia and suffocation and kind of see ourselves in a in a new light we went all the way to the other side of the world and And worked on the band and made our first record there. Okay, so can you surf? Can you do anything else? Or you just made a record? Yeah, I did not go over there. I did not learn to surf. I would say that is on the bottom of my skill set list, like for sure. Actually, anything water-based is. Unless it's rain. Unless it's rain. You've mastered that. So you guys were birthed in the Pacific Northwest and perfected in Brisbane? Is that safe to say? Melbourne. Melbourne. Well, we just did a show in Melbourne a couple months ago. Yeah, it was truly amazing. It was amazing. We love it. We love all the food, the restaurants. Trying to go back every year, honestly. I think it gets, because of the kind of import, like the people who leave and come to New York or LA and open bad breakfast restaurants have given it a bad name and then you go there and you're like, Why would you ever leave? Besides being completely disconnected from the rest of society, this is paradise. Because all the other people, they go to Italy and Japan, and they're like, that's how you make the best croissant and the best ramen, and then they bring it back and only share it with their Melbourne community, and that's when it's good. It's bad when they're like, I got to go take this chicken teriyaki sushi to Manhattan and make it for myself. That's when it goes wrong. It doesn't work the same. Yeah, do you know the inventor of avo toast?

Bill, he just died. He just died, yeah. R.I.P. to the goat. We dined at his sandwich cafe restaurant when we were there, and it was a nice slice of cafes of yore. They don't make them like that no more. An R.I.P. to the god. We heard some great stories about him, too. He sounded like a real legend. Yeah, I read a handful of... obituaries and remembrances and people remember him very fondly. I feel like he got a New York Times obituary. He absolutely did. That is sick. That is sick. The power of Arvotoast. Yeah, I mean, look, Arvotoast is a cultural force. There's no other way to put it. It's a language. Yeah, he had a lot of riz. Look, for a 55-year-old guy, he had a lot of riz. Yeah. He put the rizness in his business, you know. Is there another flavor with more Riz than a Vegemite when you really think about it? The umami bomb of Vegemite? I cannot do a Vegemite. Oh, it's nasty. It's heaps, Riz. Oh, I love it. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Do you have some at the crib right now? I do. Not at the crib. I do because I... You do. I... Until very recently, when they left for New York, lived with two Australians. Was this like a make-a-wish thing? No. When you removed, did you get some industrial tongs and put it in a plastic biohazard bag and throw it outside? No, it's still in there. They're in New York for a job, and they'll be back. I've got to keep the Vegemite on ice. Are you saying that if we come to Portland, there's kind of room for it? How does it work? Do I pay nightly? Yes. I'm just running a hostel. You'll be pleased with my credit check. We'll say that, Karen. This is a partner and a child. But her child, yeah. They are now in New York. You allowed a child? Okay. I don't know about all that. I mean, how old is the child? I mean, what are we, like, child? Are we, like, teenager? Like, what are we? Wait, I didn't hear. Allowed them to do what? Eat Vegemite? Well, like, no, no. Like, what is the age of the child that's in your home? A partner's daughter. She's 11. Oh, 11. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I didn't know that. I thought maybe you were talking about, like, a baby, which seems like a big... Your partner's daughter could be...

This many as well. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Also, they're Australian. I don't know if I already said that. So all of this, I will ask about the word funi, by the way, right when we hang it up, and I will let you know. Yeah, please check. Please check and give us the full rundown. But lastly, Corin, I want you to defend the perverted flavor of Vegemite to us, please. Oh, yeah, Corin, go ahead. I feel like there's a moment on toast for like a little bit of Vegemite that is like, ooh. Salty. There's a moment for that. So like a very toasted, like a nice toasted sourdough, heaps of bada, and just a kiss of Vegemite? A kiss. You're not slathering. Especially if you're a little hungover. No, I'm not slathering. I can't get behind that. But like, yeah, there might be a moment in, you know, during a certain time in one's life, maybe the month. Where you need a lot of salt. Wait, what? I stepped away for one second because I thought someone was at the door and you're talking. What path did you go down a lot of salt? She said Vegemite is the ultimate period food. Yeah, she said, Chris, when you're ovulating, get some Vegemite and you'll know what I'm talking about. I need a salt bomb in me like yesterday. I feel like we need a huge caveat over this entire episode. The claims, the beats, Vegemite. You want to kind of differentiate yourself from your bandmate. You want to make it clear. This episode of How Long Gone is for entertainment purposes only. Yes. For the record, I'm making zero health claims except our album. It does cure so many things. Yes, yes. If you buy our album on vinyl, it's 180 gram and it will cure all that ails you. Okay, yeah. As we have reached the end of the episode, we will talk about the album now for a brief moment. Let's give it a plug. I said it is out January 19th. It's called Little Rope. True, yes. It's called Little Rope. Are you hitting the road, though? Yes, we will be on tour.

from the end of February until early April in the U.S., and we will soon announce some dates in Europe, Australia. Oh, I bet you guys kill in Germany. Oh, baby. Yes. I have a feeling in my bones. They like the rock music. They like guitar. They like rock music. No, that's great. So the album is out January 19th, just a short week away. Yes. And we have videos for all of the singles that are out right now, and they all look cool, and they all kind of have a flow to them, and one of them features Jerry from Succession, so everyone listening should go watch those, as well as listen to the music, as well as pre-save and pre-order. Yeah, pre-save. Maybe there's vinyl, maybe there's a Etsy-style hoodie available on... SleaterKinney.com backslash merch. Anything is possible. I hope the webmaster is listening. He's updating in real time. We're linking to an Etsy craftsperson who's furiously... sewing something for us right now my cross stitching fingers are worn in bloody uh no we really appreciate it thank you for taking the time it was a pleasure um and uh we'll see you guys soon thank you chris and jason it was fun to be here thank you we appreciate it guys we'll talk to you later