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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? It is Chris Black coming to you live from room [redacted address]. Regis in Aspen. Okay. Where the players dwell. Yeah, known player dwelling. Yeah, it's kind of this insane perfect weather here where it's just cold enough to wear a sweater and a jacket, but you can stand outside all day because the sun is just beaming down. It's pretty incredible. Okay. Sounds like L.A. every day, bro. But it's probably more beautiful. So you're in Aspen. You're covering the snow polo championships, I was saying earlier. I can't believe it's been a year since the last one. Time has gone, this year has zoomed by. Oh, I feel old too, sweetheart. I know how it is. I feel like it was like August when I was watching the last snow polo. Yeah, I'm going right after we finished recording to see, like, yesterday was kind of the prelims and today is like the real shit. But if it's any, like, it is humming here. Like, I went to like a Stetson party last night. It was a full... fucking crazy rave at like 6 p.m with everybody had a cowboy hat on like the lobby everybody looks like yellowstone extras you know drinking beer and eating pretzels it's just a crazy so do you like it i love it yes i love it i absolutely love it like i i came when i came in the summer i loved it and it's even nicer because you can like hike and shit which is more my speed if i'm going to do something outside but

It's got everything. It's got freaky rich people, really nice hotels, decent food, and sunshine 300 days a year. What more do I need? It's a lot of stuff, but I'm not going to get into it because I want you to celebrate and have you enjoy your time there in Colorado. No. I mean, it's a three-day. Look, it's a three-day excursion. You know what I mean? It's not like I'm trying to get a house here. I couldn't afford it if I wanted to. Was Diplo DJing? Was Diplo DJing the Stetson party? I wish. The first person, I'm not exaggerating to you, the first person I saw when I walked into this hotel was Gustav Guy, which you may be familiar with from the Instagram platform, who's like the, he kind of like makes fun of the rich, jet set, kind of like watch, Laura Piana, quiet luxury. Are you familiar with him? I don't think so. What did he say his name is? Gustav Guy. G-S, like the city. G-S-T-A-A-D, Guy. Okay. People that are listening will definitely know who he is. I believe it. I know the vibe, but no, I don't. He's at everything. He's like at everything like this. And I was like, damn, you know it's real when you see Gestad guy. I was talking to Olita Dirtbag about it, and he was like, you've got to be fucking kidding me. Are you going to build with him? i would love to build them i mean who knows anything's possible today at the at the the tournament um but nacho so like the famous polo player who like everyone recognizes because he's in like ralph lauren ads was at the dinner last night he's very cool and he looks it's crazy how good he looks he's probably like in his 50s nacho okay and then Really quick, is snow polo just polo that happens in the snow, or is it a different sport altogether? No, no, that's right. It's exactly how it sounds. And I had a similar question when it was presented to me because I'd never heard it. I was like, what do you mean? And they're like, yeah, it's, you know. But it's funny because there's a... Like the golf show or the tennis show or whatever, all the NBA, NFL, the Netflix kind of docuseries. There's one about polo came out last week. Yeah. And so I watched a few episodes, and it's actually pretty fun to watch, but also the characters are very interesting because you have to be quite rich. So it attracts a certain kind of person because you've got to bring horses all over the world. Yeah, I read some things about that polo show, about how that show.

Since it tanked so horribly and it was part of the deal that they did with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. Yeah, it was produced by Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. And Netflix is just kind of like, you know, I'm sure it's a beautiful show about a sport that is not very relatable and it probably costs a lot of money. And nobody really gives a flying fuck about watching a bunch of rich people hit stuff with horses. It's actually, it's actually no shade to the sport. It's better than some of the, honestly, it's not as bad as people think it is. Cause there's also a guy that's like a guy that's probably older than us and he mortgaged his house and to pay for his polo team. And he didn't play like growing up. Like he started at like 40. And it's just kind of like, bro, what are you doing? And he's got, like, a wife who's pregnant, and he's, like, complaining about having to go to her baby shower because he's training. Okay. I'm like, bro, this chick is going to leave you. This chick is going to leave you. There is no way that any chick will put up with this for that long. When you mortgage your house, you're losing money on a sport you're not that good at, and you're complaining about, like, showing up to a baby. You can't. You've got to pick one. You know what I'm saying? You can't do all three. You've got to pick one. It's only days until he's. Living alone in a van down by the river in a van down by the Staples. It's all in Florida. So at least the weather's nice. I'm glad that you're having a good time out there. I'm going to be going to Santa Fe, Santa Fe, New Mexico. I got to hit up Eric Warheim to see where the bomb diggity enchiladas are on the road from Albuquerque to Santa Fe. Can't wait to really tuck into an [redacted address]. That's a great drive. A classic hour. Don't worry, there is... uh a whole foods in albuquerque that i've hit before okay just if you need some urgent supply urgent supplies i might need a little ostrich jerky a little stretch exactly i can't i can't think of the place there's like a famous place in santa fe for enchiladas and you you know you order them christmas style i'm blanking on the name right now there's yeah there are more than a few no but i think this one won like a this might have the infatuation it might have like a michelin it has some weird thing it's like

The shed. That's what it's called, the shed. At one point, I think it got more attention than it should have for serving beans and slop on a plate. I mean, that shit is delicious, though. It is. Unappetizing to look at. Delicious to taste. Those are things that you have quarterly. That's why I can never live in the American Southwest. Eating that every day, what would happen to me? I'd get fat. Are you excited? It's going to be fun. I'm really excited that you're going. I'm excited. Going to the 10,000 waves. It's going to be a little chilly. It's so sick. It's going to be 40 degrees outside. I'm in the tub. I'm in the plunge. I'm in the schvitz. The different waters are going to... There's some interesting smells that come with some of these naturally occurring... Okay. Like how Diptyque has different smells? Yeah, exactly the same. Exactly the same. Yeah, see if you can go on the Christmas theme. They have one that smells like Douglas fir. No, there's... That's really fun, though. Being there at night is sick. It's cool to be there at night. I'm excited. And the hotel that we're staying at, they have like a Mercedes Benz. You know how like at hotels, they'll have like three bikes with flat tires out front. You can rent, you know, first come, first serve. this hotel has that boat with Benzes, and I'm assuming the G-Wagons go first before the B-Classes, but, you know. Well, they're going to put you on it. They're going to put you on it. It's probably like you can drive within a one-mile radius, and then the engine shuts off. No, like a shopping cart. Yeah, literally. Yeah, you try to leave the Target parking lot and the wheels lock up. No, no, sir. No, sir. That's fun, though. That hotel looks beautiful. This will be a great trip. It's also just like a nice time to go somewhere like that. I mean, I hope so. I'm trying to change the weather to worse weather. You're not going to Taos, are you? No, no, no, no. And that's a little. That's a little too. I would have to tap in with Marc Maron if I did something like that. Yeah, there's nothing to do there. It's just like cool. You know what I mean? There's no. I mean, Dennis Hopper had the crazy house there, and you can stay there, but there's nothing to do, you know?

At the hop house? Unless you ski. Yeah, at the hop house. You could do some ketamine at the hop house, see if you can find his ghost. Are these lyrics from Mahashmashana that I just heard? You didn't speak them or sing them. You summoned them from your aura. I summoned them from deep, deep inside me. Deep, deep inside me. I brought that up because I was just reading Chris Black's top 20 of 2024 lists on the only streaming service that matters, Spotify. I like that you made the switch, Chris. What's up with that? Oh, I didn't. I have a feeling this is more of a Condé Nast kind of situation. No, no, no. My hand was not forced. Will Welch did not put a gun to my head. It's strictly because I recognize that's what most people use. So you got down instead of laid down. That's exactly what I did for once in my life. I got down instead of laid down. Little ho-ass. I mean, I've had to pay for Spotify since we did the deal with their failed podcast network, and they didn't give it to me for free, and I was a little pissed. So I'm paying for two. Our failed podcast network. Okay. It's not just them. No, it's them now, because we continued on. They didn't. I'm glad. Yeah, I'm just going through our list right here. Of course, I guess we'll do the ones that I'm pleasantly surprised to see. The Fontaines DC. I feel like you really came around on them, and that specific song is my favorite song. Favorite. That's kind of the only good song, if I'm being 100% honest, but it's really good. It's really, really good. It's not the only good song, but it's my favorite song. I really like it. Great song.

It just has this feel to it that it's one of those, I don't know, it's hard to explain it, but when you're just building anything, making anything, you're making a sandwich or whatever it might be, and just the simplest thing happens and it just clicks and then you don't fuck with it. You're like, oh, is this the guitar line? Yeah, that's it. Done. Just play that over and over again. I see what you mean. It's so good that it's just like... They left it alone. Yeah. I feel like they just stumbled upon it and then it just... It works. Somebody was smart enough to say, we got it. Yeah, leave this alone. No, I love it, though. It's a great song. I listen to it a lot. We got the Dochi on there, Nissan Ultima. Big Dochi. I mean, she's now very popular because she did the Tiny Desk everybody freaked out about. But I wish Kendrick Lamar didn't have his dirty little feet all over her. Feet? What are you going to do? I have to give props when props is due. Why did you switch from grubby paws to feet? in this particular instance because drake drake made fun of him for having small feet got it that's why got it got it still still running for the kid still running for the boy i love it love a loyal man go down with the shit dido style i will go down he said i'm imagining me playing the song right now like joe button style so i have to like do my ad libs and i have to do my comments on it before you drop it virtually yeah that's so fun often that's so funny i like that you have the beth gibbons solo project great great great record i was when i was driving upstate last month it was like dark winding roads driving to the stissing house you know dodging crack pipes on the road and raccoons and things like that and i put on old portis head And I was just like, bro, she's just too good. And then also there's another Portishead song called The Rip that's on their newest album, which was maybe like 10 years ago. Yeah, it's good. So good, so good. But I haven't listened to her solo. I feel like we agreed on – I feel like there's a lot of TJ-approved stuff in here. Friend of the show, Chanel Beads. Police, Ghana.

great song great song carolyn's like you can't listen to this album in the car i'm bummed i'm bummed we missed him in miami i just i just like a superman at home that should have gone we should have gone oh well we should have gone he's we're gonna get uh chanel beads on the pod in 2025 great unless he gets less famous then Well, all right, you can go look at my list on GQ.com, Spotify. There's no major surprises in there if you listen to this podcast and you look at my skin color. We do have a guest today. Also, I wrote a 2024 list, but instead of about music, it's about how I ate in Los Angeles on a website called tastecooking.com. Go give it a read. We have a guest today, Kazzy David, actress, writer, and an elusive podcast guest to track down, right? Slippery. Yeah, that's one way to put it. The queen of Brentwood. So hopefully she shows up. If not, I'll go to the country mart and hunt her ass down. I know she'll be having some pancakes somewhere. She'll do call her daddy, but will she do How Long Gone? Who's to say? All right, this episode of How Long Gone has brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable, and they're just easy, but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics, but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts.

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I wouldn't send me anything either. And also, you shouldn't be giving your address out to just anyone. Do you guys have a P.O. box for the olive oil samples coming? Right. Olive oil I would love. That would be great. I really only get a box of something from a brand I've never heard of, and I don't even know how they found me. It's crazy. The problem with being a woman, one of the many problems with being a woman besides the patriarchy, is gifting of ugly clothes you've never heard of and make makeup. Like the amount of makeup and skin stuff that you're like, I use the five things I use. I don't need these. Yeah, I totally agree. That's tough. I've got a bag full of AB that I haven't even had a chance to open yet. What's AB? I don't like that Chris knows this and you don't. What's up with that? I know. Take a guess. What's a skincare line that's expensive? By the way, that was really brave of me to ask. Augustine has got it. That was brave. I could have sounded even more stupid than I ended up. We should do a skincare routine right now because I feel like that's what people really want from us on this podcast. We're kind of the new top shelf. Yeah, well, I think I want the skincare. Yes, Chris, Slay, that's a good one. But I think I want more of a holistic approach from you. So not only that. You know, is there snail jizz, laser facial, acupuncture, colonic, you know, all that stuff. You grew up in L.A. I know you're a freak. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a freak. I'm a total fucking freak. Also, I'll get some olive oil sent over to the house. It's called Inez, I-N-E-Z. Is it organic? It's super organic. Because sometimes the label looks organic because it just looks like nice olive oil, but it's not. It's not greenwashing. Don't worry. The squeeze bottle Nazis over at Grazia definitely listen to this. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Graza listens to this podcast, but you on this podcast, the Graza office is like... Hold on. We need to... Somebody reserve a room. I have to listen to this on the loudspeaker. Kazzy's on HLG. We need an all-hands. You guys, my life changed after the Bonza revelation. Are you talking about the bad pasta? Yeah. What is the Bonza revelation? Revolution? That it's not actually gluten-free? It's a Bonza revolution, man. That's Charlie for Bonza. Because it's not actually organic. It's like there's a ton of Roundup in it or something. Roundup?

They said there's more Roundup in Bonza than a regular or anything. So you're saying that if I eat Bonza, it's like killing a weed, whereas if I get Barilla or some kind of more traditional brand, it's better for my gut. I feel like we're talking about Twitch streamers or gamers. You know when you hear about these famous people who have a million thousand followers and you're like, dude, I heard Roundup and Graza and Bonza. They're like... There's like so much Roundup and Bonza beef right now happening. Sorry, go ahead. No, I'm just, it's getting really bad for me. Like my orthorexia has gone to another level as of recent. And let me be brave. What is orthorexia? It's like a, it's like a basically a fear of things going in your mouth. It's like a, it's like a health disorder. It's where you like have to eat clean and everything has to be healthy. And like you have like. you know, a lot of panic around things going into your body. Okay, so you're a woman in the entertainment business that lives in Los Angeles. Got it. It's not rare. No, that's what I'm saying. No, everyone has it. I see. So you're suffering. Everyone that I know has it, but I think I might have it worse than them. When you're on and you were just on a flight just four days ago or something like that, did you request the plane meal? PL. A-I-N? No, I'm not eating on a plane. I just sent this to the group chat the other day because I was looking at... I'm going to Singapore and I was looking at the airline website and they have a bland meal. And it's called... Literally, the word... It's called bland meal. It's called bland meal. You guys, I've been on the bland... You know, it's called the brat diet because it's like bread, rice, or bananas, rice, applesauce, toast. No, I didn't know that. I had the stomach flu last week, and my doctor was like, make sure you're on the brat diet. Whoa. And all of my questions are like, is this brat? Is this in real life, or is this on like a Hulu series that you just filmed? Yeah, this happened. I know, right? It's really good. My doctor put me on the brat diet. Hold for applause. Is your doctor cool? Like, did he get the joke, or is this just a separate medical happenstance? No, this is like a real thing. Yeah, she.

Chris. I apologize. I apologize. Cedars hires women now. I don't have a doctor. It's a real diet that's been around forever. Times have changed. No, it's been around forever. Bananas, rice, applesauce. Toast. Applesauce is fucking disgusting. That one I couldn't do. Couldn't do that. Oh, totally. Yeah, no. It's really just the Brit diet. Yes, sure. I agree. The apples? But I'm always on it. Okay, so if we go to a restaurant. We're not going out. No restaurants. Okay, got it. Yo, restaurants are out. No, I can't eat at a restaurant. Kazzy, what's the last restaurant you ate at years and years ago? Do you remember? You know what? I ate at All Time in L.A. I'm sorry. Because they don't cook with seed oils. Jason, I told you I came around at All Time. I don't like the crowd, but. the lunch is good it's good yeah the only thing worse than the food is the people that own it no shade no no shade but yeah you're right i agree oh the people in there are terrible no i agree yeah even the don't let's not forget all the people that own it i've never met them but everyone says they're dicks yeah i've heard the same thing i heard a really bad story once what are they dicks about They have like an all-day cafe. What are you swagging out about? They're Australian, bro. They're Australian. Australian people are either the sweetest people or they're just little demons. It's just like when the kangaroo gets mad. I've only had like one interaction with an Australian person, and I was so blown away by them. That's not true. But my takeaway was that I really felt like all Australian people were like that. Someone was talking about death or something. She's like, oh my God, I've never thought about it. That's right. Because when you live in paradise, you don't think about death. When you're walking barefoot on Bondi. Do people die? When you walk barefoot on Bondi and you have a tan year round and you look like you're in Blue Crush, there's nothing to worry about. I mean, that's insane. They really are that hot. Have you been there? Yeah. I've been watching Love Island, Australia. No, I haven't been, but I feel like it's the same thing. People do. Jason, did you feel like people – Jason's been there a few times. It feels like people are happy. Like there's a general kind of happiness that we don't have. It's like if San Diego was a continent. But it's from being so dumb, don't you think? They are dumb as hell. Oh, dumb as hell. Yeah. You can only be happy if you're dumb. I completely agree with you. That's why I'm going to be miserable until I die.

Yeah, me too. How long gone? Live in Australia, February 2025. That's the only Kazzy thing. You don't seem that miserable. I think I'm the most miserable person I know. So you're self-diagnosing? Yeah. What do you use to fill that hole? I mean, I guess control over this health stuff, the orthorexia. How bad is this? Let's get into this for real. So do you have specialists and stuff that you talk to all the time, or is it all personal? It's a lot of devices. Can you give me an example of a device? I got this chair, which I think is like... This is not what I wanted to talk about. Not that I had anything in mind. Does the chair attach to one of your holes? A chair is not a device. I just want to be clear. No, it is. It's a device. Okay, okay. It's basically a vibrating chair and it shakes you. And it helps your nervous system and it helps you sleep and it does all that stuff. They have a thing like that. Jason, remember that thing at Equinox? They have like that, that people would stand on, it would shake. Yeah. What you're describing is in every Asian person's house I've ever been to. They have a massage chair. No, no, no. This is a very new innovation. How much does it cost, CD? How much does it cost? Yeah, that was my question. How much does it cost? I didn't buy it. Not what I asked. The question is, how much did it cost? It costs about maybe $10,000. Yeah. Okay. Oh, shit. That's not the one Jason's seen at his little Asian jump-off parents' house. I have to be clear. I didn't buy it, but it wasn't gifted to me. It was given to you personally? No, it wasn't gifted to me. Again, I'm not a good influencer. It was purchased and it is in your household? Yes. Okay. So you're able to vibrate whenever the fuck you want. Yeah. You have access to this device. Yeah. I'm vibrating like... Daily. Okay, so how long can you take it? Is it like a... So there's different sessions on it. I feel like I'm on Howard Stern right now. All right, hop on the Sibian CD. How long can you take it? There's different sessions for different things, and they're all different amounts of time. No, but they're based on... These are like sessions based on ailments that you have. There's like...

An inflammation one. There's a stress one. Meditation. There's all these different ones. Migraines. See, you're being sheepish about this. I want you to know this is a safe space. This is what Jason and I... I'm being sheepish about it because I can't imagine anyone being interested in... Oh, and that is where you're wrong. That is where you're deeply wrong. This is about to be the only episode my wife is interested in a long time. We're talking about these very hyper-specific niche devices. I do think... This is a life changing device. OK, so how long have you been under its care? I've had it for about a year. OK, and you're seeing you're seeing tangible results. Yeah. Yeah. What is I need a before and after on your nervous system? Is that what you said? I will say like I could be convinced into anything like health related. Like I'll do it even if I all just. keep doing it even if i don't feel anything just in case you know yeah no the same with me and my private doctor that prescribes me 60 vitamins a day that i just take i don't know if it works right who's to say like i'll get i'll get scammed on purpose like just to make sure it's not not a scam you know yeah oh i see yeah sure sure there's only one way to find out i'm gonna have to teach him a personal lesson no i mean this is honestly this is the perfect podcast for all this stuff i mean we we deal with this and talk about this All the time. So what is your stance on like acupuncture and those mats you lay on? Is that amateur shit? Shakti. No, I don't have, I do acupuncture. I don't necessarily feel results or necessarily believe in it, but I do have it. Have you, have you ever, have you ever unlocked something emotional and cried? No, but I've gone to like a healer person and that. I think that'll really break you down. You'll start. Like Reiki? Like I'm hovering? No, like a person who really gets into the trauma in your body. Body work. Body work, yeah. Okay. How often, okay, but how does your body feel on a scale of one to ten? Because you're young, so you should feel pretty good. No, I feel horrible. Okay. Yeah, I feel horrible all the time. At what age did you start feeling horrible and lose your birth?

Okay, since day one, come on, be serious. No, I'm being dead serious. Okay, I believe you. But have you ever had any, and excuse me for just relying solely on Western medicine, have you ever been actually diagnosed with any problems or are these all kind of in your little head? Just mental illness. Okay, just mental illness. But I have really, I have some stomach issues. But maybe that's just from being Jewish. Spoken like every hot chick that I've ever met. No, but they're a little bit more elevated. Okay. I can't eat at a restaurant, you know. I've seen you at a restaurant, but I don't know if I saw you eat. No, you haven't. I saw you at a restaurant. I didn't want to bring this up because I wanted your life. It was before I knew you. It was you and Kate Berlant at Farm Shop. We did go to Farm Shop, yeah. I didn't approach you because I was like, I'll leave. I don't want to. But I. There were plates on the table I can't confirm. I didn't see chewing. I don't know what was happening. Did you have a sugar snap pea? Farm shop is good, too. I like farm shop. But I'll go there one maybe like twice a year. So you maybe caught me on my one, yeah. I try to go every Saturday if I'm at it. I really love it. I really like it. It's great. And I love the families that are there. It's a good vibe. Those kind of families really blow my mind. Yeah, we'll go for the rest of our lives to farm shop. Okay. Unless they start using seed oils, who knows? Yeah, then we can't go out. Who knows? Now, if you go to a restaurant, which obviously is rare, you've stated that, do you kind of ask to speak to the chef and get him to confirm the use or not use? No, because I don't like to be annoying in any way, so I just won't. That's a lie. That's a lie. I really will. I'll kind of catch a vibe from the waiter and see if we have. of rapport going you know are they going to play ball or not and i and i and i would like to eat i usually prepare before i go and i'll have something before just in case do you keep snacks in your handbag uh yes but i'm not a big snack eater but like i'll have one bar that sometimes i'll have got to keep an emergency bar do you ever keep just like a little ziploc bag full of plain rice in your in the hermes or the goyard just in case

That would be the coolest thing anyone has ever seen, pulling out a little bag of rice. Okay, I'm going to just snack over here. How good is just plain rice? Am I right? I'm feeling peckish. I'll pass out. I do have it a lot. I have it a lot. Plain rice. Yeah, but now I learned you have to soak it before now, which kind of, you know, that's a new thing. Damn, what are you, a Mormon having sex? What do you mean by soak? What do you mean by soak it? Just soak the rice, I guess, before you make it. In water? Yeah. Why? Easier to digest. Wow. When's the last time you – do you eat regular bread or is it gluten-free? I have celiac. Okay. You guys, I actually – can we start over? Well, just the T in brat stands for toast. I was just wondering what your toast program was. I just had a big discussion about gluten-free toast with someone on this trip this morning, and we were talking about how we miss bread block, Los Angeles' bread block. I know. What the fuck happened? I know what happened. There were only so many people willing to pay $50 for a loaf of bread. No, that's wrong, because they expanded. That's too fast. All of these new stores opened out of nowhere, and then the next day, they were closed down. There was something mysterious that happened. What other stores are you referencing? They opened a Beverly Hills bread block. Yeah, they just had multiple locations. Oh, oh, oh. Maybe we could pitch and sell this as a podcast. true crime kind of vibe. No, I think there is a mystery, like the mystery of bread block. A trail of breadcrumbs. I remember I drove, we drove to the Santa Monica one for Christmas, like the day before Christmas once, and I literally, I spent $100 and left with a baguette and a loaf of bread and a croissant. And I was like, this is, I like stuff like that. It's a very tiny loaf. Yeah. It was good though. It was good. Do you know what the best? It was good. The best gluten-free bread is Need Love. Okay, the name is a little too crunchy for me. It sounds like a bad yoga studio. Yeah, but if you saw the branding, it would feel a little less. Is it K-N-E-A-D? K-N-E-A-D, yeah. Oh, wow. They thought of everything. You can get it online, and they sell it in a few places in New York. It's pretty cool that you're ordering bread online, though. I like that. Ordering bread online is cool as hell. You've got to order bread online. I actually just ordered a panettone online. That doesn't count.

That's a holiday gift. You're right. Jason, remember that time I sent you a case of buns? Yeah. I just remembered this. Yeah, they lived in my freezer for a long time. Good gift to get a case of Martin's potato rolls. They're apparently the best. That's a good gift. I'd like to come up with a gift that's like a staple that you get from me and I do it every year. That would be a cool thing for me to do. Like the Tom Cruise cake. Yeah, exactly. I would like to do that as well. That's actually something I should really focus on. Yeah. I have a holiday cookie that I give out to dear friends and family. Yeah. I'm working on the gluten-free recipe right now, even though you... You make it? Oh, yeah. I cannot wait to get my fucking lips around one of those. Like, that's really cute. Like, you make holiday cookies every year for people? Yeah, yeah. Like, that would be something I'd want to do, yeah. They don't look like a gingerbread, man. It's a regular, nice-looking cookie. It's a nice cookie. Yeah, but it's around the holidays, so you call it a holiday cookie. Holiday zone. Yeah, no, of course, but I just mean... I was just trying to let you know how delicious and special... It's a thumbprint. There's some chopped pecans. Oh, wow. There's usually an artisanal, like a squirrel jam or something. I'm doing a blueberry chambord this year. Oh, not blueberry chambord. That sounds good, but I don't fuck with that, really. You fucking bitch. I don't like fruit with dessert. The combination of fruit and dessert, I really just... Fruit is dessert. Yeah, fruit, but not like I hate like a chocolate raspberry something. Really? Okay. I mean, look, I'll take chocolate peanut butter all day long. A blueberry muffin is hell for you? No, I like a blueberry muffin. Oh, God. You guys can't talk about blueberry muffins. Banana bread? Carrot cake? You like carrot cake? I love banana bread. Okay, so you lied to us. This is a load of horse shit. Yeah, big horse shit. I guess I'm only talking about chocolate raspberry. Okay, that's fair. I understand that. Or like a strawberry filling. Chocolate raspberry feels extremely 90s to me for some reason. It does. I don't know what it is. It's like having walnuts and blue cheese in a salad or something. It just feels dated. What do you guys usually talk to people about on this? This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace.

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What about fancy places like the Canopy in Paris? Yeah, Hilton Honors, baby. Or relaxing sanctuaries like the Conrad in Tulum? Hilton Honors, baby. What about the five-star Waldorf Astoria in the Maldives? Are you going to do this for all 9,000 properties? When you want points that can take you anywhere, anytime, it matters where you stay. Hilton for the stay. i i usually have some notes but with you you know we're just kicking it yeah we're just we're just kicking it i mean it's not like call her daddy where i'm gonna ask you what your favorite song is or your favorite color but don't don't do that we'll get into um i'm fucking unwell do you like rihanna okay i have some questions um you you and chris have something in common that i've noticed you both have uh A strong interest in Haley Bieber. Is that fair to say? That's so interesting. Do you think I have a strong interest in Haley Bieber? Yes. Strong interest is, I'm basing it solely on looks. I just want to be very clear. We'll call it a fascination from two sides of the coin. A fascination. Chris is more so in terms of the me want to fuck, and then yours might be for other different. Characteristics or reason? I think I'm just interested in anything that makes a lot of waves in the culture. And I like to understand why. And she's someone who definitely does that. I understood why once when I saw her walk into Community Goods in a see-through dress in the middle of the day. And I was like, the fascination, the world's fascination goes beyond a bad smoothie. There's more to it than that. I'm fascinated with the religious stuff. Because they're going to get divorced and then she's going to tell all. And I want to know what's going on. She doesn't really strike me as a tell-all person. Everybody needs money at some point. Road ain't going to last forever. You think she's going to do like a buck? I think if you get divorced from Justin Bieber. She's going to go on Oprah. The money is too crazy. I mean, even the chick who the dork cheated on his wife with Ariana Grande, that woman, who's I don't think a public figure, gave an interview today to The Cut.

I'm like, you got to hold out for better than the cut. I mean, come on. I did read it today. Did you? I did, yeah. Okay, what is the T? Because I don't understand. We've talked about this guy, this Ethan Slater guy a lot. And I know he's a legendary stick man in the drama community, in the black box theater community. He's a shagger? I didn't know that. I thought it was well written and it was about something that you wouldn't expect. It was actually, it wasn't really about. okay it did divorce or anything it was it was really about her and it was a different it was an interesting take what does she do what does she do is she a writer i guess she's a therapist i i didn't know anything about her i just read it oh wow okay interesting that that is that's tough when you're a civilian of that like that sucks man like that i don't need to hear from you but that does suck but the cut is the cut is a nightmare like Yeah, I totally agree. I just don't even, but it used to not be. That's the thing. It used to not be. It's like Us Magazine now. It's like so like, ugh. But I think that that's kind of, I think everybody gets to a point where it's like what's working and they look at the numbers and they just do that. And it doesn't matter what they did before and like what. what they maybe think they should do it's it's strictly about like delivering they really have the kind of like captions though that makes your head kind of you know you just you feel crazy you do feel crazy you know do you have an example of of one it's like not exactly but the vibe chris pine making like old dad style like blah blah like i just i I could probably do better than that, but it's just a nightmare. I've seen a lot of Chris Pine lately. I think that really hit the nail on the head. Pool Man. What's that? His movie? Yeah. What does he do in pool? He directed a movie, and it was, I guess, one of the worst reviewed movies of all time. Really? Yeah. Pool Man. Okay, so it's like a Gigli-type beat, except... Right.

Okay, is he directing and starring and writing? I think so, yeah. Triple threat. He plays a pool man. There's photos over the last year where he had long hair and he was wearing short shorts. Why the hell does he look like that? Because he was being a 70s pool guy, I guess. It's hard to look at someone the same again after they decide to want to be seen as an auteur. I don't think someone, him in particular, he doesn't feel like he has enough under his belt to kind of, justify that open have your production company like every other actor give your assistant a job but that feels like a new thing too where it's like every actor now has a production company and like it's run by like their best friend from childhood it's like yeah exactly so why well every everyone everyone starts a podcast and then has their best friend who needs a job to help produce it. If you're an actor and you're already famous, you just do a production company. If that doesn't work out, then you do a podcast. Me and Rob have a ton of stuff in development. He's super involved. We're supposed to meet with Seth on Wednesday. He just had the baby, but he's still super hands-on with all of our projects. Yeah. It is, but they also give them the worst names. And it's like, I can't tell if it's supposed to be like an inside joke, but like Brad Pitt calling it plan B. Okay, that's fine. I get it. That makes sense. It's your name. It's a known phrase. But there's a lot of them that sounds like a combination of like their grandmother's middle name and the street they grew up on or something. That's like just too confusing. I feel like there's the titles for everything have gone so downhill. Like all titles, all across the board, like songs, movies. So right now, it's Bad Tidal Winter is happening right now? Yeah. Bad Tidal Winter. Actually, I think we both take pride in naming, and it has to come kind of naturally. It has to come. It can't be forced because there's not that many people who would notice, but there's three people who would. And those are the people who matter. That's who we do it for. You can never force the name. You have to.

You can tell when it's in authentic. Yeah, when there's 15 songwriters in the room and they have the number one hit and they're like, you know what? Let's call it Espresso. It's just like people thinking something sounds cool and they're like, and you know that that's why it's called that. Well, I think because I also think there's a little bit of a thing now where it's just about how it sounds and looks and not what it means kind of at all because that's. we're moving too fast right you know we're we're cycling through very quickly yeah i i've been noticing how bad the titles have been recently i like it overall all titles yeah yeah blanket it's not false keep your eyes open for like the titles of indie movies well luckily for all of us i try to ignore indie movies but i'll now i'll take a look isn't there a good a good i mean a good chance that this is the best titles are going to be and like It's only going to get worse from here. Do you ever see a time where titles... I just think it's so important to name the thing something that makes sense for the thing. Don't have something that has nothing to do with the title and then you just think the title is cool and just hope it catches on and everyone's too brainwashed to even think about it. I really hate that. And sometimes it makes the product worse when the title doesn't fit. It's like, yes, you are confined to a certain... few titles that are going to fit for your thing and you can't go outside of that and you have to be okay with that, you know? Amen. Do better next year, y'all. Yeah, I agree. I agree. No, I was just going to say that I feel like people are making songs based on what they want the title to be. Yeah, 100%. I don't like that. Speaking of things moving fast, do you think, are you looking forward to or are you afraid of TikTok potentially shutting down? I don't know enough about it, but I'd love that. I also love it. If it shuts down, you would be happy about that. Yeah. I'd love to see so many people be disappointed by that. I'm with you, but then I'm worried about the job market being flooded with trad wife influencers that need work, and they might come for our jobs. I wouldn't worry too much. They might come for our jobs. Can't they just move to Instagram now?

I mean, Instagram, no one is more excited about this than Reels because that shit ain't working. And it will have to work if TikTok goes away. I just have never been able to, like, I can't use TikTok. I haven't been able to ever, I don't know, do it or see myself doing it. Good. And there's just something about it that I just don't understand, which is that, like, you know in middle school you would like make really embarrassing music videos with your friends um no dancing and lip no i don't know i don't know anything about that it was it was definitely a girl thing like those were the things you were the most embarrassed of is like these stupid videos you would make with your friends like dancing and singing right but you would still do it yeah but it was because it wasn't embarrassing then because you're in middle school oh you mean after the fact i thought you meant okay yeah yeah okay you feel like it's like how you have fun when you're a child so you're like filming yourself doing like a Britney Spears routine or something like that. And then if, if like boys saw it, it would be a nightmare. It was just like what you did in seventh grade. Like that's just what everyone did for fun when they had sleepovers. I don't know. Maybe this is my experience. Can you, um, maybe run through some of the songs? Cause I feel like Britney Spears is a good example. Like Gwen Stefani. Like, I don't know. My point is, it's just that like, it's so weird to see. 30 year old people doing these dances and singing when it's like, that was something that, you know, when your prefrontal cortex like developed, you would be so embarrassed about your middle school self. You'd be like, that's so cute and weird that we did that. Why did we do that? So silly. But now it's like a totally normal thing. Right, right, right. You put it that way. It is, it is normal. And I don't, Jason, I don't use TikTok because we're adult men, but that doesn't stop. several of our peers from using the platform in the ways that you are describing. To me, it always feels like when you're in high school, like you're saying, and there's the drugs and the alcohol, and there's certain ones like, I'll try this, but I'm not going to do speed and heroin, but I'll smoke a little weed, maybe do a little mushrooms. Those are things, and I've always thought of TikTok as that's the heroin of social media, where once you are on it, people look at you like, oh, that guy's not doing so good.

Like he cannot shake that dragon. I went to lunch with Jason. He nodded out on TikTok at lunch once again. I mean, you see people nodding out on TikTok everywhere I go. I'm at the airport. The security guards, the TSA, you just look at them and they're just looking at like bum fights, you know, while they have a gun strap to them. I did have a... seven hour flight delay a couple of weeks ago and started looking at reels and the way that people look at tick tock where you just kind of like keep scrolling. And after about an hour, I looked up and I was like, damn, this shit is powerful. Like Jason said, like it's, it's, it's too much. What's your guys's algorithm? Uh, exactly what you think it is. Workout stuff, chiropractor stuff and music. I know you didn't think I could get cooler, but boom. Yeah, that's great. That would have been my guess, actually, I think. I wish you had allowed me to guess. I'm sorry. Mine changes a lot, but we were talking about Gracie Abrams on SNL a week or whatever, a few days ago, and now my algorithm is all Gracie Abrams, just from me talking about it on the podcast. I really have a distaste for music sometimes. Especially Gracie Abrams. Very cool. I get it. When a song, no, no, no. Love her. But when a song gets stuck in your head, like it's actually like a form of torture and nobody really talks about it. Okay. What song, what is the last song that has tortured you? Opa Gangnam Style. Anything has, anything really has the capability of doing it. Yeah. But music, it's like, we don't talk about music as this actual, like, really scary thing. Oh, I think it's scary when it's... Scary? When it's bad. When it's bad and it tortures you for days. I actually think having a song stuck in your head is one of life's... I like it because it proves to me that the song is so well done that it's inescapable. So I respect the craft. But is being inescapable even a good thing for a song?

I get it for popularity, but does it actually mean it's a good song? So even if the song is bad, you're like a game respect game. You did your thing. It's like waking up from a nightmare and being like, well done, brain. We'll see you next time. If Meghan Trainor has a smack and it's stuck in my head, I'll say Meghan Trainor has a smack. I'm embarrassed, but if you got one, you got one. An earworm. I understand that. I could understand why you would say that music can be scary. Now that he's brought up Meghan Trainor being stuck in your head. I think it's actually quite evil. So you avoid many foods, many sounds. What else are we agoraphobic about? Yeah. I mean, I guess you name it. How many times a day do you shower? Just once. Oh, just once? Okay. I was taking you for a two. No. Let's say you're walking down the street. A person who looks dirty asks you for a dollar. You give them a dollar and they go to stick out the hand to do a handshake. Hey, thank you so much for changing my day. I'll probably get canceled for this answer. I'll see them. I'll see them. Okay. Let's say I have cash on me, which is rare. Right, right. We are. He's like, yo, can you bump me an Apple Pay five bucks? Here's what I'm doing. Here's what I'm doing. I'm seeing the person, you know, can I have a dollar? You know, I'm giving a really nice like I'm locking eyes. Hello. You know, I keep walking and then I find someone else on the street to get and I give them the money and I say, can you give that? Do you use a surrogate? Yeah, use a surrogate for donating to the less fortunate. Totally. I guess that's no different than giving to charity when you think about it. They're distributing the funds, not you. By the way, I don't want to go near the surrogate. There's nobody. Would you do it like a middle school drug deal where you put the 20 on the ground and then they pick it up off the ground? I think I'd be very worried of offending them.

Would you touch a bird, like a loose bird? No, no, no. Oh, that's crazy. Even I wouldn't do that, Jason. I love germs. I'm really pro-germ. I think it's healthy to an extent. I think we've gone too far. I'm really scared of wings, though. All wings? Yeah, wings. Like wings of your dad's house? Chicken wings? Airplane wings? When I was little, like a big crow flew into my room. Like when I was like four years old and it was like flopping around. All right, bro. Your window is too big. Your house too nice. That's your problem. If a crow can fit through your bedroom window, you're sitting in your window seat reading your book and a crow just comes flying in? That was really traumatic for me, yeah. That's an old one. I know. I know. It's like cursed. But, yeah, I don't like wings. So you have a right to have a fear of wings. Those big crow wings flapping around, feathers everywhere. Actually, if I see some pigeons on the side of the road that I'm walking, I'll cross the street. Yeah. And then I'll cross back. Like a big group where someone's feeding them or just if they're hanging out? Just like if I see a flock, yeah, hanging out. I won't go near them. I'm crossing the street. When I was listening to you on CHD, you were talking with her about. going on a trip to Cabo together where you're on the same airplane and you were a little upset that she went to the hotel, took a shower, and then put the same clothes that she was on the airplane right back on after showering, which I agree is a bit of a ugh. Chris, how could you have anything else to say about that? Well, with her, I'm assuming there's only so many matching unwell sweatsuits you can fit in one carry-on. So, I mean, maybe she didn't have a choice. We didn't have an assistant to carry the trunk full of the other colors of the unwell sweatsuits. Yeah, it's tough. Plain clothes literally burn. Immediately burn. Well, that's what I wanted to ask you. Do you travel with two sets of plain clothes? Do you have an arrivals and a departures set of plain clothes? Yes, unless there's a laundry, and then I will wash.

the plain clothes and I'll wear the same plain clothes after washing. How often do you laundry at hotels like a real G? Pretty often? No. If I was at a hotel, I would bring an extra set. I wouldn't do laundry there. What's the most expensive pair of clothing that you've thrown away willy-nilly? You would be very surprised, but I really have the smallest wardrobe. I have five pairs of socks. I bring everything I own everywhere I go. You live like a fugitive. And, like, I wear them until they're actually ragged, yeah. Okay, but do you wear all black? Is that your thing? Or do you switch it up? I'll switch it up, yeah. Okay, you're... You know, amongst what I have. You're interested in playing with color in your tiny, tiny closet. So awful. Your T-tiny closet. I'm going to kill myself. But what pants do you... Do you wear, like, high sport on the plane? Like, what do you... What are your... How comfortable do you go? Oh, yeah. On the plane right here, People were looking at me. They thought I might have been Luigi because I was wearing a hood, the sweatpants. I had the mask. Is that because you're paranoid or because you want to cover your face? Oh, no. Paranoid of sickness, yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah, I don't give a shit. I mean, for what? I don't have a problem with wearing a mask on the plane. You have to have to. There can be some situations where I'm on the plane where I wish I had a mask. Wearing a mask anywhere at this point is narc behavior. Sorry, that's just what it is. Blue seasons? Blue seasons. I'm not trying to be RFK. I don't get sick. I just don't. I mean, I just don't. You're very lucky. Well, it's called water. You should drink it. And sweating. Yeah. Sweating. You don't sweat enough, I can tell. I sauna every day. Okay. Really? Yeah. Welcome to the club, homegirl. Fuck yeah. Which kind do you have? It's called a jacuzzi. It's a two-seater. I actually heard on, because I listened to your guys' podcast with Scott Galloway, and I heard that you read in the sauna. I do, yeah. That's the only place I read, pretty much. And that's the only place I read, too. And it's like... What else do people...

Really key. What are the other options for the sauna? Watching an iPad? Yeah, I guess maybe you haven't even thought to bring a book. Watching a movie, listening to music, listen to a podcast, or just sit with your binaural beats and just channel some shit. I like to read in the sauna. Reading in the sauna, yeah. It's a life changer. It's great. It suddenly makes books the most entertaining thing ever, whereas out in the world, they are not. in first place in terms of grabbing my attention agreed but i got all these books i gotta read so i got a sauna every day it's a tough life we live isn't it cassie i feel really sorry for both you guys i'm sorry you're sweating i well i i think there's two kinds of sweat not to not to yeah sorry nitpick but there's what am i not doing sauna sweat which well no so no i'm just on a sweat three sweats of all time rank those things baby let's hear sauna sweat and exercise sweat are different I think. Okay, you don't think I exercise. You definitely don't exercise. You do Pilates once a week? No, you're so off. You're so off. Really? What are we doing? I exercise every day. What kind of exercise? I love this. I'm proud. I am doing Pilates sometimes a week, but I'm doing strength training. You have a trainer come to the house or do you go somewhere? No, no, no. I've worked with a trainer for a long time, so I know what to do now. Okay. Do you guys think I sound really obnoxious? No. Or I will if your listeners will think I sound normal. I have the same. I mean, I literally have said the same exact thing on this show many times. Our listeners thirst for obnoxiosity. My trainer is a character on this show because he's been brought up so much. It's part of the DNA. What about me said I don't exercise? Good question. Chris, what about her is giving don't exercise? No, no. This is a positive thing. You look like someone who wouldn't have to. Are her arms too thin? No, yeah. I feel like you're naturally blessed. That's what I was implying. Thank you. That means a lot. That's what I was implying. Whereas someone like me has to work very hard to get up to the bottom floor. It's taken years. Well, again, we're doing it for health reasons. That's right. I don't care what I look like at all. It's only about how long I can live. So if you didn't work out every single day.

You'd be pretty fat, is what you're saying, Cassie? I don't know about that, but... I don't know if it would get there. No, I think that... But you, after discussing all of this stuff with you for the last hour, I feel like you recognize that exercise is a pillar of mental health. Oh, yeah. And that's probably why you do it. It's so important. No, bad things will happen in there. Yeah. Okay. I'm scared. I would be very scared to be inside your mind. I really don't mean this in like a I'm so fucked up way. But like I genuinely think if certain people went in there, you know, the mind. Two minutes for two minutes, just immediate death. Like heart attack. Because the contents is just too shocking for the layman. Yeah. Wow. Yes. Wow. And I wish that could be kind of my. thing you know like that you could go into other people's minds because i think people would um have more have more pity for me i see i would be yeah i would be pitied well this this is actually something that i thought rather than hated there's something that i thought about where there's like it's kind of like a black mirror vibe where like they would rank people like everyone has a number based on whatever and if we're able to rank everybody based on how much pain they've experienced in their life So everyone can have a little more empathy for everyone else. Now you just sound like a pussy. No way, bro. But it's not because of the empathy. It's just because I'm curious to see how much pain everyone has gone through where you're like, huh, a lot more pain than I assumed or a lot less. Of the three of us right now, who do you think has had the most pain? Jason. Wow. I think I might agree with you, actually. I just see it in his eyes. I might agree with you. Yeah. I think Jason. That being said, let's say in a past life, I had the worst life anyone's ever heard. I got the Black Plague and I died a slow death in a cave. And people knew, oh yeah, Kazzy's a privileged Nepo, but did you know in a past life she had the Black Plague and she was in a cave and died?

they might be like, oh, okay, let's, you know. They'd be like, oh, I love her airmail stuff now. This is totally different. So you're saying think macro, not micro. It's not just what's happening right now. Yeah, like potentially that could have happened to me. You don't judge a book on one chapter. You have to really get in. You can tell when someone's a new soul or an older soul that's had the plague. Yeah, plague is definitely in your past. Yeah, you're giving polio, maybe a couple polios. Yeah. Two in a row, can you imagine? We just don't know. We don't know. I could have been so, so poor. Thank God you weren't. Thank God you weren't. You brought up transcending and past lives and acupuncturists and all those things, and Chris was asking if you've ever cried. Have you done an ayahuasca thing with Chris Rock or any type of? journey where you did see some like past life trauma or anything like that um i did i was trying to prove that i had a horrible past lives to be able to share that with people and then have them like me more i did try to find someone who did past life regression in the session i realized with what she was saying that it was actually just like child like regression where you talk to yourself as a child and so i didn't end up i'm out i'm out I was really upset. I want to talk to little Chris. I didn't. No, no, no. I don't either. I was really upset by that. Um, but I did do, I did do an MDMA journey at one point. Okay. Like in a controlled environment, no past labs, not at a marshmallow concert. Did it crack your third eye wide fucking open? I really, I will say that I, um, I wasn't prepared. My therapist was telling me about it and she was like, you know, some people like hold my hand or they'll like, you know, they'll need a hand to grab onto. And I was like, I'm not going to hold my therapist's hand. Like, are you kidding me? Pilly, you pop in. I already pay you $350 an hour. You don't get to touch me, too. I'm not going to touch my therapist. Obviously, I wake up after the thing drops, and I'm literally holding on to her. A child or parents leaving the house? She's giving you a hand show? Did you do this in an office, or did she come to you? She came to me. Or he? She. Okay. Yeah, our friend of ours did something like this recently.

Did the therapist stay with you the whole time? Yeah. I'm good, man. I mean, I can't do that. I think all of it is fake, but if you think it works, then it does, if that makes sense. I mean, there's nothing fake about it because it's a drug and you are like tripping, you know, and then you're forced to kind of think about things that you think about in a certain way because of the drug. I've done a lot of drugs. I've done a lot of drugs. And I don't know if I, maybe the environment, maybe the controlled environment makes, makes it different. It was too real of an experience. Let's just say that I will not be doing it again. I think the drugs, like all this stuff is already inside of your head and the drug, the controlled MDMA thing, it's like breaking through walls that are in there and showing you things that are already inside of you versus building fake walls or something like that. Have you guys done that? Well, not you, Chris, but Jason. I mean, not in a controlled environment like that, but I've done MDMA a hundred times. Jason's like two Saturdays ago, I actually did that. I've had a lot of talks and hand-holding sessions on it. I've looked at, like, Cassie, I've looked at myself in the mirror, you know, drool on my chin and really thought about what I'm doing to myself. And for a long time, it was great. Let's say you have to be at a really low point to turn to that. I don't think so. But I think people want. drugs to I think people really want drugs to work for those purposes. If you know what I mean, because it allows them to experience it in a way that's socially more socially acceptable, depending on who you are. Like if, if, if one of us was like, I'm doing ketamine therapy, everybody'd be like sick, bro. So cool. My dad goes and does ketamine therapy. It's a little different and he's got to have her justification for wanting to try it. Yeah. Well, I think maybe not. You're right, Jason. It's not a low point, but it's like, you have to be really immersed in like a self indulgent looking for it. You know? Yes, yes, yes. You're searching for something that you haven't been able to find.

On your own. Right. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a great drug when you use it in the right way. Obviously you can get addicted to it and then like take it at 9am. I honestly, I developed like a fear of all drugs after it. And now I'm like too scared to like even take a Xanax if I need one. I know you got a prescription for Xanax too. I can tell your ass. I know your ass got a hundred of those in the cabinet right now. What flavor do you want? Oh, I have the cherry ones. They're really good. They're different. The cherizofren, I will say, is good. Dissolves in the mouth. I'm very interested in the cocaine nasal spray that seems to be going around right now. I feel like that's an opportunity where I wish, much like the Quaalude, where I wish I was still doing drugs. I wish that was around when I was doing coke. Is that a real thing? What is that? See, it's a real thing that no one I know has ever done. Well, you don't really hang out with a lot of... You know. I mean, maybe you do hang out with a lot of wealthy cokeheads. No, you guys are very in the scene. Like, you guys are talking to people constantly. Well, people like to tell me about doing... We are talking to people constantly. People like to tell me about doing drugs because they know that I don't and that that's all I have left is to hear about their experiences. So they would love to tell me. It's a real smell-my-finger kind of energy to it. Yeah, I found two Quaaludes in my dad's safe. Oh, my God. It was crazy. They know I want to hear that more than most people. Listen to some Spiritualized do a Quaalude. This sounds great. Don't, Jason. Don't bring Spiritualized into this. If I can find the time in my calendar, you're going to have to move some things around. What is Quaaludes today? It feels so vintage. Is it the same drug today? It is giving vintage. I would say probably Oxy is the closest. I think probably the closest. Yeah. I don't think so. Quailu's just a painkiller. I think it's more than that. It has mild... I think people want it to be more than that because they can't do it. But I think it's basically a painkiller. You think it has some other properties? It has some euphoric qualities, some mild hallucinogenic qualities, some muscle relaxing, mental...

relaxing as well but i think what i've heard from friends of the show who have recently done it people are finding old vintage new old stock dead i don't i don't believe any of this but go ahead which i'm also weary about and they're saying that like at the time it was really cool but now it's like smoking weed from the 70s versus now like the best weed from the 70s is just like lint that you'd find in your pocket compared to whatever is being consumed now so like a quaalude was great at the time but now like you said we have xanax and percocet and all these really cool drugs that have technologically advanced over the time that are better than quaaludes i love you i love feelings of euphoria though that's yeah opiates are awesome for that number one number one for that So we all have our addictions at bay. We're all fighting our demons at every moment. And it sounds like we're using fitness and overpriced gadgetry to therapize ourselves. And that's awesome. Cassie, we have more in common than I ever thought we would have. I totally agree, by the way. I do. We're just scratching the surface. But are you on the scene? Because you said that we're on the scene. We're out. We're talking to people. We're hobnobbing, rubbing elbows. When we see you on the red carpet, are you stoked to be there? Or is this like an obligation that you have to do? I want to go and get the photo and leave as soon as I can kind of vibe. I mean, no, I don't want to be one of those people that's like, oh, like I hate it. So, you know, but I have to do it. Like no one's forcing me to do it. That would be very fake. But I don't enjoy it while it's happening. You seem to be pretty great at socializing in our experiences. You're white-knuckling it, though, on the inside. Yeah. It's easy to talk to people who are easy to talk to. Preach. Period. Damn, bro. You're a prophet on that. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

You hear what she said? It sounds like a simple sentence, which is why we are teasing you. But it is also a clean and profound statement that is quite true. And I've noticed this dynamic a lot on your podcast where you'll say something kind of like that could be insulting. And then Jason has to really, you know, comfort the guest. Yeah. Clean up the mess. It's called it's called good cop, bad cop. That's why we that's how things work around here. OK, thank you. Sometimes we change roles. Sometimes we change roles, but mostly we don't. Mostly we don't. He make the mess, I clean it up. No, I would definitely be in your position. Yeah, people say he's a dick, then I'm a prick. And there is a big difference between the two. But really, we're both pretty sweet people. Yeah, no, I can tell. I'm a bitch also. Like, I'm definitely a real bitch. Yeah, I can. That's kind of... emanating from you. For sure, for sure. You mean when I wouldn't give the dollar to the person in need? Yeah, when you put the dollar on the ground. No, no, no. That's actually funny, and I feel like a lot of people would want to do that because it does both things. It makes you feel good about doing the right thing, but also feel good because you don't feel dirty. I know, you can't feel dirty. Of all of your friends, who is the one person that you love to have an off-the-record hater dinner with, and they have to be somebody famous. I'm not, I'm not asking who you're hating on, but just like, you know, Chris and I will go and we'll have, you know, we'll get dinner with Scott Sternberg or, or Brady Sonalis or whatever, you know, legendary dishers where it's like, we're coming here to drink martinis and talk shit on every single thing and person in the world. Right. I feel like you got a couple of those, right? Yeah, I do. I think. John Mayer is a pretty good one because he's super analytical. So you could take something really small and be like, I don't understand why I feel this hate in my heart for this. And he will like dissect it. And he'll tell you exactly why and how. No, that's a great answer. Great answer. So cerebral. I've found that John Mayer asks some of the best questions I've ever heard another human ask just in simple convo.

It's really impressive. Yeah, he's a genius, not even in a musical way, obviously that, but in a regular person way. I just watched him a couple days ago talking to my king, Shawn Mendes. I tell you what, I was levitating on SiriusXM. Deadass. It was really good. You didn't know. It was like watching Challengers. You're like, who do I stare at? I love Shawn Mendes. That's not a joke. You're just like a big Shawn head. I think he's underrated and I think he's gay. He's a good man. I think he should both be gay and more popular. Do you think he would be more popular if he was out as gay? You can't look like that and not be gay. You know what I mean? Only gay people can be that attractive? Gay men. Or that clean? Both. Straight guys just can't. We can only get so close. If you're born pretty, you're destined for... What about Elordi? Not pretty enough? He's maybe bi. Maybe he's bi. He's like right there. He's definitely bi. He's definitely bi. He's definitely bi. I'm bi. I'm bisexual. All right. I have to go to the snow polo championships. I'm running late. The what? That's not a joke. That's not a joke. I'm in Aspen. Chris is on location reporting on the snow polo world championships in Aspen, Colorado. Very cool. Thank you to the St. Regis family. Cassie, thank you to you as well. Where are you at, Cassie? Are you at your house or a hotel? I'm in New York. I'm staying with my sister right now. Nice. Okay. Good to see you. Thank you for doing this. I feel like it's overdue, and I feel like you're going to have to come back maybe yearly. You know what? I would really like to do it completely over again. This episode doesn't even air, and this was just like a warm-up to practice. It's a test shoot. Kind of like the rehearsal. Yeah, I'm familiar with that. I'm familiar with that. No, but thank you. Cassie, what a treat. Thank you so much. We'll cut the ending. Bye, you guys. Thank you.