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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. Oh, how long gone? It is Chris Black. It's day three. of how long gone recording. Jason, hold on. Jason looks to be drinking a smoothie or an iced coffee out of what looks like a steak and shake style cup from the 1950s. Did Carolyn serve you that on roller skates or is that just regular? I am drinking a bit of a sock hop egg cream style 50s. Sock hop is exactly what I was looking for. Situation. I don't remember. I know that a brand sent us this glass. It's just like a generic milkshake glass from an ice cream parlor. You can use your imagination, but I got coconut milk. Coconut. I have coconut, creatine. Coconut creatine protein powder from True Nutrition. Throw your C's up, bro. That's creatine and coconut. As well as chocolate flavored cowboy colostrum. Two C's getting thrown up. And then bold brew straight in there. Dude, Bold Brew is a good name for a strong iced coffee. I know you were trying not to use the C word because of your affiliations, but it's nice that that could work. Okay, that sounds, I have to say, of all of your little concoctions you're making over there, that one sounds delicious. It's delicious. It's really good. I mean, obviously the flavors of cacao, cocoa.

And coffee all swim together, don't they? They mix beautifully. They mix beautifully. Did you use your little influencer mini blender on that, or did you have to throw it in the Vitamix? I'm glad you asked that. My KitchenAid immersion blender, it was in the wash. It was dirty. I made a smoothie yesterday, so I'm like, what am I going to do? This task was too small for my Vitamix. Don't want to get it out, clean it, pain in the ass. USB powered whisk, but I got in there. It took a while to get the engine turned over in the mud, but we got there. It's cold out. It took a while to turn the engine on. I have a chopstick stir stick in there because throughout the course of this interview with our guest today, a lot of the sediment will get to the bottom. It will settle to the bottom. Like one of Warheim's Barolos. We're going to have to maybe, we'll have the psalm strain it. In the past. I don't know. I think choosing to deliver that healthy milkshake in a classic milkshake container is a fun game. And also, our real blender heads know, as well as our physicists know, the way that the shape of the blending vessel is so important. This conical shape allows a tornado-like... Because tornado is always the goal when whisking. 100% brother man. I mean, that is the goal. It's actually crazy. I know that. I don't know why I know that because I've never whisked anything in my fucking life. Is it a cyclone? Is it a tornado? I don't know. We'll get Alton Brown on the horn. But yeah, once you get that little going, it's not an if it will blend, but when will it be done blending? Great, great. I actually thought of you today because I had... I went to Olive's, the restaurant in Soho that's been here forever, but unfortunately moved a little further past West Broadway. But Thursday, their special is a veggie sandwich, and it's the most 90s version. And I've had it once before, but it's been years. And it's got sprouts, it's got avocado, it's got cheddar. But it has a twist that I wanted to hear your thoughts on. And I usually don't like this, but a light dusting of chipotle mayo is...

It really works in this instance. Okay. I was shocked. I was stunned. I was stunned. I didn't confront anyone there. I was going to talk about it with you. Okay. I think I have this sandwich pulled up on my Instagram. Looks like we've got California avocado, Vermont sharp cheddar, crunchy sprouts, red onion, tomato, and chipotle mayo on seven grain. It does look pretty interesting. I guess I like Chipotle mayo more. I mean, I definitely like it more than Sri Racha mayo. It just gives it a little surprising kick, I will say. Like, just enough flavor. Because it can get a little bland in there with just a bunch of fucking green stuff. You know what I mean? As long as you choose correct ingredients and season it correctly, you don't need that. You know, if we're eating New York tomatoes in December, then, yeah, get a little Chipotle kick in there because it's not going to be perfected. My only issue is the size, Paul. It's a little – it's a little – it's a little – Is it giving dinkiana? And be honest with me, Chris. I didn't want to say Dinkiana, but it is. The flavor is Georgina. The size is Dinkiana. And how many times have we tangled with a fellow like that? So many times. God, you don't even want to talk about how many times I've been in the bathroom with a Dinkiana. But it's like a child's. It feels like it's from a lunchbox size. So you felt that you were able to easily eat the sandwich all by yourself. Yeah, I chomped it down. No juice box needed. But I was able to. I was able to resist, and I'm proud of myself, a bag of chips because there's nothing that pairs better with a sandwich, obviously, than a small bag of potato chips, vinegar, salt and vinegar, regular. Jalapeno, I'm willing to go. Yeah, I mean, obviously over there at Olives. I've never been, but I've heard and I've seen. Have you never been? We should go. It's actually good. They have an amazing cookie. But you could pair it with a beautiful black bean soup. It can be vegan and gluten-free if we make sure we don't add a little cream on top.

I had a great sandwich, and I'll let you speak. I had a great sandwich down in Newport Beach over the weekend. Yeah, I saw that. I saw that on your reel. It did look delicious. It's a legendary sandwich spot that Carolyn has been going to for a long time. It's called C'est Si Bon. It kind of reminds me of the, in Miami, they know La Sandwicherie. Yeah, of course. I usually like my sandwiches a little more white boy, no accent, but it looked like they were delivering. The bread looked white as hell. I mean, I ask you, my brother. Who's more of a white boy than the French? You know what I mean? Them motherfuckers clear. That's honestly a good point. And speaking of white boys, our friend of the show, Adrian Dizza, new proud parent and father. Shout out to... Congratulations to him. Yeah, yeah. Shout out to you and Erica. Beautiful, beautiful. But... What's his team that he likes? Is he Paris Saint-Germain? Yeah, he's PSG. Okay. Put your P's up. Put your P's up. Put your P's up. Put your P's up. Put your P's up. But he put me on to La Signature. And he's like, you know, he's a French, Armenian, you know, Middle Eastern. He's got blood all over the place. He's an exotic blend of a man. But his sandwich tasted la sandwicherie. I don't remember the exact ingredients, but it was a white-only sandwich. Not a white sandwich. Chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill. But it was like chicken, mayonnaise, cheese. Whoa. Like no... It was a white sandwich, and he made me order it one time. It was kind of like the white airhead, where it's a mystery flavor, where you're like, this tastes like nothing and everything. Dude, I saw a white airhead wrapper on the ground the other day, and I was like, what? Holy shit, I haven't thought about this. Okay, but this sandwich delivered. Yeah, the sandwich at Sissy Bone did deliver, but Carolyn was like... You know, you got to get it with brie as the cheese. I'm normally a provolone. Oh, hell no. I don't fuck with brie. So I had a twisted blend. I had a twisted blend. But it was, I took a picture of the sandwich order. But it was turkey, baguette, mustard, Dijon, butter instead of mayonnaise, cornichon, sprouts, and cucumbers with the addition of avocado and brie. But it was served with a dirty...

Style chip, dirty chips. Oh, I know dirty chips. But the flavor I chose, Funky Fusion. That's how I describe your personality, so that's good. Funky Fusion. So that feels more like a garbage disposal, like they just throw the leftover spices. Oh, it's the kitchen sink, Chris. I asked ChatGPT. I chopped down about seven forests to find out what made up the Funky Fusion. Turns out, yeah, it's like if barbecue, ranch, and spicy fucked, you would get Funky Fusion, I guess. Sounds pretty good. Barbecue chips are a classic dish that makes me want to shower for some reason, so I can't really have those. I love you calling a KC Masterpiece Lays a dish. I can't have those, but I was going to tell you. Well, yeah, 100%, I need to shower after eating barbecue chips. Something about it, man. I'm with you on that. I went to Bobbo last night, the new Bobbo. And let me tell you something, boy, that shit was banging. They didn't cancel the flavors? They didn't cancel the flavor, boy. I had some crudo. I had some crudo. I had some pasta. But you didn't do beef again, though, did you? No, no, that was that long. But I had something I'd never had before, which was a swordfish milanese. And it was delicious. I loved it. I'd never had that before. I had a nice arugula salad. We have coarse splurge on the polenta. Were there olives in play on the finish or no? No, no. It was quite good. I didn't know what to expect, and it was very, very good and very busy. And they didn't fuck up the interior. They just updated a little bit so it feels the same. So shit looked like the same, but it just has USB-C chargers on the tables now instead of the old ones? No, but when you look in the kitchen and you look under the past, you don't see any orange crocs in there. It's this croc-free zone. But I was just like, oh, wow. This restaurant is fucking... It was also like a cold night in New York. It's like that kind of restaurant. It was good. It was busy. It felt nice to be in that environment. You come in. What's the little – the area, the door that you enter before you go in the restaurant for the rain? It's like a rain door, a weather door. You could call it a vestibule if you're being generous, but I think. I don't know. Just crowd into the vestibule with you and seven other strangers while you dust the snow off of your North Face Skims collab scarf? Well, I had an –

I had an issue last night where I got a haircut and I was like, all right, I'm a city bike. This is the easiest way to get there. No problem. I get to the restaurant on time. Four different city bike locations were full because no one uses them in the winter at night. So I ended up being late for dinner, which really annoyed me. So you mean it was so full that you could not dock? I couldn't find a place to dock. And in London, you just leave them on the street. It doesn't matter. You know what I mean? It's like throwing trash in the ground. The dark side of city biking. It's all fun and games until you show up to the – we got one more electric bitch over here. You show up. It's either a guy pulling it out as you're pulling it up or you go over and it says – it's got one mile left on it. It's about to die on you. Or if you show up to a very important event. And the dock is full? Dude, I was circling the block, and I had to have my phone out because I was trying to find it. It was not pretty. I would like to see one day in the future where you pay a person $20 to dock for you. Great idea. I had somebody do that once on a shoot, and it was really cool. I was like, sorry. Keep it running, kid. I can't dock. All right, our guest is here today. He showed up on time. This motherfucker prompt. Okay, big dog. Stay on mute really quick, Dan. We're just going to intro you. Okay, we have our friend Daniel, a 1-0 tricks point never on the pod. Long time coming. His new record came out, what, a couple weeks ago? Something like that? And I've been playing it with and without marijuana. The album's called Tranquilizer. It's on Spotify right now. What's fucked up, Jason, is I've even been listening to it, and I like it, which is, you know. That's crazy. I'm shocked, too. I'm shocked, too. Speaking of his album, he's muted. That's good. But, you know, Chris has found the dark side of his moon with this album. He's normally not an ambient head. And today I was walking the dog listening to this shit, and I was like, oh, damn, Daniel's in his dark side of the moon bag. So let's give him a call. He's transcended Vaporwave, and now it's days until he's playing the sphere, I predict.

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That is Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash how long. That'll get you free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince punto com slash how long. That's a pretty good place to be. No, we can't call Pink Floyd classic rock. There's so much more than that. I don't. I know. I totally agree. Better or worse, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin define class. More to me than like Chicago or whatever. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, there's different sides of Floyd and there's different eras and we got to get specific, but we won't. We shouldn't. Yeah, we're talking dark side. I mean, maybe it's on the brain because I recently saw a video of Gilmore with all of his like crazy analog synth gear from the 60s or whatever. I saw that. It's like the godfather of... all of this shit, you know, any type of electronic music. So, I mean, it transcends the classic rock. Do you know what those synths he was using and those analog sequencers are? Yeah, he was demonstrating the really fast arpeggiated... little sequencer line in that track from Dark Side of the Moon, I think. This is the problem, though. This is the problem. But he started out slow. He started out slow like it was a TikTok video. It was going like this. I don't want David Gilmore doing that. Chris, do you feel like when you hear people talk like this, Chris, is it just basically the equivalent of air drumming to Rush or something? It's like the corny guy shit? No, actually, I really like it because I feel like I learned something because the way I think about music is simply, do I like this or not? kind of, because I don't know how to play an instrument. I don't really get into the minutiae of it all. But Jason has taught, Jason has given me, over the years of our friendship, a class that people would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for in electronic music.

And he does a great job. And I've said this before, he does a great job of sort of feeding me the stuff. Sympathizing the information? No, I wouldn't. No, chat GBT. I mean, like, he sends me, he'll find something and be like, I think you'll like this. And I would say nine times out of ten, he's correct. When it's something that might not have come across my desk otherwise. That's cool. Well, can I ask you guys another question? Because I'm not too familiar with your ura. But other than, you know. Jason being an electronic music head, and Chris, you're more... Daniel, can you play guitar? Level with me. Me? Yeah. No, like barely. I mean, bar chords and like a little... A finger-picking basic song. We'll find a way to get through this. A little bit. I played guitar. Yeah, I played guitar a little bit on one of my records, actually. Yeah, Magic Wonder Tricks Point. And I played guitar on a very, very early recording on an old anthology of mine called Riffs. There's a track called I Know It's Taking Pictures From Another Plane Inside Your Son. That was the name of the song. Boy, you got a Wonder Tricks Point Never Ask song title right there. God damn. Is that it? I know. That sounds like it's from a song. You're like, even I have outdone myself on that one. Wow. And I really was just trying to copy, like, Ray Davies and Beck, actually. I was really into, like, Beck. What's his record that's, like, the Os Mutantes kind of? B-Change. Well, that record before that. Mutations. I loved Mutations. I loved the Kinks. I loved... Rodcast. I love a lot of guitar music. I love my bloody Valentine. I love tons of guitar music. I'm not surprised. I assumed that your taste would be wide-ranging and good. I'm sorry, but what were you going to ask me, though? Oh, I was going to say, well, like, if you guys, beyond that, what's the basically, like, the vibe dichotomy, the vibe dialectic between you guys? How else are you guys sort of different or contrasting? Oh, all the ways that we yin and yang each other? Yeah. I'm glad you asked, Daniel.

Glad you asked. He's a little more country. I'm a little more apex. That's the first one. He's sober and I do drugs. He's vegan and I eat everything. He's a dick. I'm a prick. I'm trying to think of all the ones we've gone over. There is a difference between the two. You guys are kind of exemplary of if the US of A, our great nation, actually got our shit together. We'd be like you guys. Like, if we could all just kind of agree, you know? Yeah. Damn, you know what? We're a great example for our friends in Washington. And if any of them are paying attention. This is a long play as we make our way to the road to the White House. It's funny you say that, Daniel, because I've been encouraging Jason because he lives in Glendale. And it's a fairly small community near Los Angeles. And I think if we did it right, we could get him into local office and kind of start his career there. Maybe he's on the school board. the comptroller, something light, and then we kind of take it to Washington. I want a guy that likes Apex Twin as my mayor. That's cool. I bet Zoran's heard of Apex Twin. I bet he's at least heard of it. You know what's funny? His chick definitely listens to it. He says, turn that racket off. Are you guys buzzed with Heemes? Yeah, I know Heemes. I know Heemes. Oh, good point. No, I know Heemes. He put him on. Yeah, I love Heemes, and I used to love Dos Races. I'd go to their shows and everything, so I was really happy to hear that Mom Donnie was part of that milieu. I love that when he got elected, people were like, stereo gums, like, posting the email he sent them about his music in, like, 2010. It was so funny. I saw a music video. He's like, in a food cart or something like that. He's like wrapping in it. I can't remember what it is, but yeah, he had bars. He was halfway decent. Yep.

Mom Donnie got bars. Halfway decent is better than most rappers, if we're keeping it 100. If we're keeping it a whole buck. Do you live in New York, or do you live in L.A.? I do, yeah. I live in Brooklyn. I've lived in a variety of enclaves of Brooklyn, but all pretty much in the same area, like Greenpoint, Bushwick, Williamsburg, all that stuff. Do you feel like you're settled in your current enclave, or do you think you could keep pressing? No, I'm good. love at some point in my life, maybe when I become kind of an elder statesman, a man of letters, I could imagine myself in the Upper West Side with my people, but I don't really, but I don't really like, I can't. I've thought about Central Brooklyn a few times and, you know, people always tell me that Fort Greene's really beautiful and happening and stuff like that, but I can't, I just, I moved to Greenpoint when I was like, 26, 27 years old. You were an early settler. Yeah, well, I guess so. Yeah, it was probably around 2006 or something like that. That's pretty early. That's early. I feel like that's like almost Williamsburg prime time. You had to pitch a tent back then. There ain't no buildings up yet. And where I moved, where I lived was just specifically, it was like, it was where the Newtown Creek oil spill was. And I'm like, they call it Greenwick. It's like, we don't really know what it is. It's a kind of like in Tarkovsky's stalker. It's like, it's the zone. There's a weird energy up there. Sure, sure, sure, sure. And I moved into the basement of a, of a, of a, you know, a three family. residence in the basement unfinished that was split in two by a by a sort of like a weird shelving system that was both my closet and my my The other person who was being housed in the basement. Wow. So, like, the wall that separated the room served as a closet for both parties. Yes, with this kind of, like, shabby curtain that you get at the dollar store. She had one curtain. I had another curtain. And she was, like, in real estate. But that's just kind of like, yeah, I'm in real estate. Like, no, you're just an alcoholic. And she had, like, cats and stuff. And sometimes I'd be opening my side in the morning.

And she'd be opening hers and it was terrifying. It was like really upsetting. And then somebody was like, you know, you really shouldn't live in the basement of this part of town because right under here is the oil spill. And in the summer it heats up. So you're basically like radiating. So a lot of my references in my music, like early on OPN recordings had to do with like radiation and stuff. It's always been like a weird theme because I was like. completely paranoid that I was, like, getting nuked, basically, by the Newtown Creek Oilsville. Sure, you live in fear. Well, yeah, I think some of that radiation shows in the final mixdowns of those tunes, right? The fifth beetle of OPN is mild radiation poisoning, right? Well, that's right. Or at the very least, I really like that cartoon glow, like that green glow, the atom age. You can't fake that. You can't fake that. You have to get that the real way. That's right. The Simpsons had a good radiation glow, I recall, just in terms of cartoon radiation. That's perfect. That's perfect cartoon glow. The texture. I know you're a texture guy, right? Yes, I happen to be in it. Yes, I think that's a nice way of saying I'm on the spectrum. No, I was not going that way at all. Obviously, the texture of sounds is something that you're able to, you know, that's a common ambient music thing. Also, maybe the texture of a ping pong paddle could get your autistic ass off, right? No? Okay. No, thank you. No, I know. I'm with you. You're right. I have to. I'm just trying to walk the bridge to Marty Supreme. I'm just doing a little Marty Supreme. Oh, yeah. Bread crumbing. Bread crumbing. We'll get to it later, though. Don't worry. But in the new crib, you got the stew all set up, or do you keep church and state separated? I keep church and state separated, although I'm becoming kind of more and more. my buddy Ross, Hudson Mohawk. Love him. I love this guy so much. I see him all the time in these secondary, tertiary, weird European electronic festivals that put on guys like that. I'm in Croatia for three weeks. Straight up. That is where you run into guys like us. I always see Ross. I'm like, oh, what's going on? How are you doing? He's always just sitting on a couch.

completely horizontalized with his laptop like making a beat and i'm like i always wanted to be like like just like you don't have to have the perfect conditions just like break out ableton wherever you are so i think over the years i've become a little bit better about that and not being so you know oh i need to be in the studio and i need these sort of perfect circumstances right no i i get i think that technology allows that but it's more of a mindset challenge than anything else yeah yeah so you're you must be extra envious when you see just you know soldier boy making a million dollar hit on his ipad with uh you know fruity loops it's risk yeah ultimate respect and one of the great one of the great geniuses of my time at least That's something we agree on at this podcast. That is one thing we can come together on is our love of Soldier White. He's a genius. He's beyond. He's like James Brown, Einstein. Soldier. Okay, so you were saying, sorry, I had a little technical difficulty. My memory card got filled up. Oh, does Soldier Boy still have it? Do you think Soldier has any gas in the tank? I think of him as a nonlinear kind of, like, he's just an entity beyond, like, hey, is this good or bad? It's like, it's this body of work, and it's this dude. It's kind of like how I think about, like, rcv more or like three six mafia or like like little b or like like ariel pink or it's like it doesn't matter like it's just flowing it's like a either the tap is shut for a while and they disappear or it's on and you can just get into the slipstream the stream is hard the stream is yeah yeah i think you that's a really good way to look at it and i do think that's true about I always use Kanye West as an example of someone that if he wants to be good, he just will be. I think it's a mindset and a choice. Being so good for so long gets a little boring, though. You've got to shake things up. Yeah, I think there's probably some truth to that, too. Take it from me. Yeah, Jason. After 20 years, you had to switch it up, finally. Okay, Dan, you said it's so nice to have just a normal conversation. Does that mean...

In a media press interviews type of way or just like in general in life? No, in life I have fantastic conversations with all my dear colleagues and comrades. But I think just being on a kind of like a class, this is a very kind of traditional press run I'm on here with Marty, you know. And so it's like that's great because I have so much pride in the film that it's not. it's not difficult but you do naturally you know you guys know about it because you talk to so many people you start regurgitating the same shit that uh you you become very practiced people ask you a a panoply of ridiculously unresearched questions and so you're like kind of like mind-numbing like oh my god like what's it like to be a composer or something it's just like what I don't know. What are you talking about? Did you like working on movie, or was working on movie bad or good? Yes, and for the most part, they're cool, but it's just, you know, you get kind of tired. I think movie stuff is different. I think that industrial complex is much more extreme than any other art form as far as the press goes. It's Hollywood. It's show business. It's this whole thing of, like, I'm also, like, I know Jason, you're in Glendale, right? That's right. Yeah, so. You know about it down there. I'm like an East Coast guy. I know about the bis. You're surrounded by it. It's a frequency. It's a type of way of communicating. It's a different kind of radiation, if you really want to put it. There's sun drunk down there. A lot of them are theater, ex-theater kids or whatever. It's kind of fucking jazz hands. Perfect storm. It's like jazz hands vibes in LA, I think. I don't disagree. I don't disagree with you. I think that's just New York. It's different. Well, I mean, New York, I would say LA and New York are almost tied neck and neck for having the same amount of.

one man or one woman shows you know in a small black box theater i think i think we're kind of even with the jazz hands okay you guys have broadway that's true we do we have plenty of yeah we came to define jazz hands actually it's true you guys are just kind of keeping the spirit alive but we actually we're the progenitors we invented it but yeah i don't i i guess i see over the years there's so many videos of actors sort of losing it because by the fourth interview you know the fourth interview in 20 minutes with like a local news crew from kansas city they lose their fucking minds and when you get when you get old enough to realize like oh they've been doing this for two weeks straight on like no sleep and they have it's like yeah dude you're gonna fucking lose it because it becomes mind-numbing like i don't know i just feel like that method just doesn't work that well and I can't believe we're still doing it kind of do you guys know that like so first of all I can't tell what's real and what's fake anymore obviously because of everything but like I'm like just doing my my my daily scroll getting my getting my gruel getting my slop and it's like this clip of Don Cheadle and Mark Ruffalo like shilling for some fucking Marvel movie or something. And Mark just is like, wait till you see the next. I don't even know if this is real. I swear to God. I'm like, is this AI or something? But he's like, wait till you see the next one. Everybody dies. And I love Cheadle so much. He's like dressed to the nines. He's like so impressive. And he's such a beautiful man. He's like, dude, just don't. Like, just chill. Like, you already blew it. Don't make it worse. Okay, I think I pulled it up. This was from a Kimmel interview from seven years ago. And Ruffalo's like, should I do it? Can I say it? And Cheadle's like, what the fuck are you talking about, you idiot? No. Cheadle's wearing a leather jacket, vest, tie, looking fucking, like he's serving. Ruffalo's in a fucking t-shirt.

And Cheadle is giving him a great look in the face. That's funny. That's really funny. I mean, I also feel like after you make a movie and you've been with someone every day for like a year, you're like, I've had quite enough of your ass, Mark. You know what I mean? But I do think there was one recently that went... viral of jonah hill from like super bad era and him it was like him and michael cera and they kept asking and he was like you know what no like like stopped it completely and it was funny to see young jonah scolding someone with like the little afro and shit he looks he looks funny it was funny no no to your point i cannot wait for like you know two three four weeks from now when we're all like you know all the marty gang that's doing all the press is like we're like feral and we're tired of the thing. We're loose and we're like just being ourselves. We've just had enough of this sort of regurgitation. That's the best. Yeah, I think that's what the one saving grace or good byproduct of the media cycle that fucks you up. Because we can tell when we're interviewing somebody for a movie or who's done a lot of press versus, you know, a book or an album or whatever, it takes a lot longer to have the guests realize that we are, in fact, just having a regular conversation. And you can take your guard down and you could remove the media training and kind of canned answers. I wanted to take the A24 media training thing just on an anthropological level. I wanted to see what this... thing is like yeah see what flavor i didn't even know they do that i'm too lazy you should honestly you know you should it's i set through it i set through it once years and years ago when i managed a band and sony like paid for it for the band to go through what did they tell you to do well at least back then i'm sure there's maybe more advanced methods now but it's a lot of it's a lot of like tricks on turning the conversation back to whatever you're trying to sell obviously but also they make you go like deposition mode and and interview you and tape it and then make you watch it and tell you how bad you did basically fastest way to learn yeah yeah it's it's it's baptism by fire for sure but it was it was pretty like

I'm like, oh, I see how this would be helpful if you don't know how to talk to another person. Like, it's not, I don't know. If I have a point I'm trying to get across, I'll get it across in an hour. Like, it's not, I don't know. I don't think it's that hard. It's harder for me to fake it and do something right than it is to just have integrity and say what I mean. And I'm not, I get why it could be useful for somebody who has like. for instance, is very like OCD or like has like really wants to understand the assignment or approaches it like whatever. There's all kinds of reasons why I might, I could not do that. No, there's no, I couldn't either. I think it's all, I think it's just like, I think also it used to be different because it's, I think that the person giving the interview didn't have social media. Like you didn't like you control it now. You really do whatever you want. And that's what people really see. The press stuff is sort of like if you don't talk about it, nobody sees it. Is there is the reality? Yes. If you understand what I'm saying, like you could do something on Instagram that will have much more impact than doing major press because there's just too much out there. And your audience wants to hear from you directly. Absolutely. You know, who's a G? I just I met him in L.A. briefly, but I loved I loved him because. josh josh o'connor is that his name or josh connor the actor there's like a clip of him they're they're asking these guys i don't know what movie it was for but they're asking these guys like okay so what's your uh step and repeat like posture what do you do up there or whatever how do you pose on the red carpet red carpet right i see i don't even know the terminology this is how no your terminology was actually more in-depth and insidery than mine i've lived in hollywood my whole life it took me a while to return to learn that step and repeat was literally called that because you step and repeat. You just take photos. I thought, I was like, why do they call it that? It's just called a red carpet. I know. It always sticks in my head because it's so cool. It sounds like a dance craze or something. But, uh, Josh O'Connor, like one guy's like, yeah, this is what I do, whatever. And then Josh O'Connor's like, check it out. I got my shit down. And he just stands up and he's like, look, show my feet. And they just adjust his little sneaker like a tiny bit. He's just out a little bit. He's like, that's it.

That's my movie. And I loved it, man. I was like, this dude's great. That's really funny. I think he's in the Beatles movie, I think. Oh, cool. Well, he's great. He was so good in that tennis movie, man. Challengers. I love that movie. I love the way he looks. Like, I really like the way he looks great in clothes. He looks cool. He's amazing. I think he's like a real theater geek. grave robbing movie. It's not like a euphemism. It's literally about grave robbers. I don't know what that shit means. I saw Chris's expression on his face. Have I said something? No, I don't know either. I don't think grave robbing has another meaning beyond the clearly obvious. Was it God's Own Country? It's an Italian film, actually. La Chimera. Yes. From 2023. Everyone should see that movie. La Quimera? It's fantastic, and he's really, really good at it. He's great. Great. Archaeologist turned grave robber. What a great idea for a film. Oh, it's fantastic. With actors like that, I feel like those guys come out of nowhere, even though they've probably been working for 10 years, and then they're in... I see them every day of my life. Once it starts working, I feel like I see Josh O'Connor every day. And I like it overall. I know, we should be so lucky to see him. I see him every day, and I tell you what, it just doesn't get old. Honestly, he looks so great in clothes that it really is. He's the perfect. subject for most fashion things like i think it's pretty it's product sample size he's used for a reason he's used for but but i think that these nowadays in 2025 where everything is about the clip not the interview not the you know we don't want to hear the 45 minute convo with josh o'connor about the process we want to hear him you know here's how i here's how i pose on it or here's my freaking favorite spicy little thing or here's a funny thing i said but i think now that people are sort of driven to that level doing the 78th interview on zoom this week i think when people start to just say like go almost like off the scripts like anarchy nihilist mode that's when actual interesting clips come out you know and you have these moments like the cheeto moment you were talking about versus like

Let's go on Fallon and play Twister. Wouldn't that be random? It's the slapification. The slap. Bro, the slap is so cool. Yeah, because that's actually interesting. The slap is so cool. The slap is like 9-11, man. It's like before and after. Before and after. Hollywood before the slap and after the slap. Truly, truly. I don't think anything, because I remember watching that in real time because I love award shows. I don't miss an award show. And being, like, truly confused is, like, is this a bit or is this real? That's it. And it's too powerful. It was too powerful. Yeah, but also... That's it. We have all suspected that Will Smith has been scaring the hoes from day one, and that slap confirmed it that... Because he hasn't done shit since, except... No, that's not true. He's putting out music. You guys should check it out. Yeah, he put out the music, and I think there was a video of him performing live, and they quickly found out that the crowd was fake. It was like an AI crowd. That was really inspiring to me. Actually, I thought about the AI crowd a lot. You go from him starring in Hitch to AI crowds, and his son is the creative director of... red bottoms his daughter is doing weird shit his wife hates him it's tough being a celebrity is tough it's tough i think a lot of these celebrities we've said it before on the show but i think a lot of these celebrities are particularly like not good at being online and should not be online to protect their legacy tom cruise doesn't have a twitter for a reason yeah i you read my mind jason all right i was literally about to be like i Yeah, I was at the ceremony where they honored Tom Cruise recently. Is that where he got his honorary Oscar? Yes. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, sort of our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world... writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly. A website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative, but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools.

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action hero the great the greatest celebrity in existence without doing this sort of like song and dance of being i'm just gonna send my coconut cake to everybody i've ever met every christmas and that's all that's the only time you hear from daniel i have some literature for you because if yes If you use the power of Zeno, you too can tap into that wavelength, my friend. Yeah, you said you like Beck, right? Okay, well, we got something. Look, it's very simple, but it's also the most difficult step of your life. Are you ready for this? It's crazy. Just get out your checkbook, and we'll figure it out. If you could just get out the checkbook, we'd start from there. Okay, so you were there at this event watching him get his honorary Oscar, and you're like, this motherfucker has got it. He's like, he's got it. Otherworldly. Yeah, he does. Yeah. Yeah. He was amazing. He, uh, he just, uh, I, I shook his hand briefly and I was so in a sort of dissociated hallucinatory state because of his, his, uh, sort of mag, just his, the magnitude of his celebrity even affected me. And I really don't have. Be like meeting RZA or something. No, I know. I go, you changed my life. And I have no idea why I said that. I cannot tell you what I mean by that. I'm pretty sure it's true. Like a Mexican girl at an Interpol concert. That's how you were behaving. Yes, I became like a weird 14-year-old. It was so odd. It was so strange. I love that you just blacked out. You're like, I don't know, man. I blacked out, and his eyes, he makes like... I would assume that it's a lot like meeting Obama or something like that, where you're just kind of like, whoa, I'm hypnotized or something. I think there is a certain gravitas that some people have. It's like the make you feel like the most important in the room type thing, but it's a level above that intensity-wise, and it can only last so long or you'll melt. You have to keep going. And that's why he's like a 60-year-old lesbian who's tapping on.

Ana de Armas. Yeah, he does not deserve that. He does not deserve that. But I mean, it's I think he I think he really I also love the like I do my own stunts thing is like, dude, you don't have to do that. But if it makes you feel good, like, by all means, risk your life every day. I know it's beyond I can't even comprehend it as a coward, as a resident coward. I can't. No, no, no. Don't do that. I'm also a coward. I'm also a coward. What are you most scared of? Do you get claustrophobic? Heights? You think you're hit by a car? Those weird towers where the floor is clear. I don't like that. No, I ain't doing that. Okay, so you don't like a Tower of Terror is what you're saying. I don't like it. You're like, I don't like to go to big buildings in Hong Kong with glass floors on the 100th story. One of your early EPs, I think, Tower of Terror, yeah? Lightning bolts. I don't particularly like... Like, what's it called? What's it called when you try to do all kinds of crazy stuff? What's... Daredevil stuff? I think you're talking about life. I think you're talking about life. You mean like being a Johnny Knoxville, Evil Knievel style stuntman who's like... Yes, like all that kind of stuff just kind of gives me the heebie-jeebies. Maybe being a mind freak? could scare you a little bit? No, that's in his zone. I don't. No, no, no. That's where I... No one can control my mind except for Tom Cruise and Obama. Well, I'm thinking more Criss Angel mind freak. You know what I mean? I could take that guy in a second. I'll freak the freak? I could outfit the freak. I'm like that. I'm a little bit of a mind freak. I think that's what's required in your line of work. You know what I mean? I feel like you sit in a dark room alone all the time, which is very similar to magic in a lot of ways. On the psychic level, on the sort of dudes that try to tap into the unconscious and sort of manipulate the mood, the aura, no.

I'll defeat any of them. I'm like, TKO. They're not getting me. You're the Pete Hegseth of people trying to telepathically steal your energy? Yes. No psychic vampire can persuade me to join their cults. None of that shit. Have you ever stared at somebody until they left the room? Me? No, I don't practice their form of witchcraft. You're saying I got my own brand, bro. I don't need to play with their little shit. If you lay down with dogs, you get fleas. It's smart. Take the high road. Yeah, I'm like one of the good wizards, you know? Yeah, you're giving good wizard today, for sure. That's what the Raya bio says. I'm a good wizard. Check out my music on Spotify. I'm not a goody two-shoes, but I'm a good wizard. No, of course not. You're no teacher's pet, but you're also not inherently evil, and I think that shines through. We're getting a hang of that now, after talking to you for a little while. For the soundtrack, the Marty Supreme soundtrack, Was this the first time we were using your real name and y'all strip a name? I did it on the previous soundtrack with Uncut Gems. Basically, like... You don't want Warp getting any of this money. You gotta figure it out. You know what I'm saying? Was this your idea or your team's idea? This feels like a management. It was Scott Rudin's idea, actually. The goat? Oh, shit. I didn't know Root Dog was coming into play. He's like, what is this? He's like... He's like, who's going to know how to say it? He's like, you think he's going to win any awards with 100 tricks? and i was just like all right you're apparently you know what you're doing show me the lie ruben show me the lie dude that's really that's that's really funny for him so you listen that's really funny for him to say that you just be like all right sure whatever that's fine he's like lose your name it's cleaner yeah and it was kind of cool too i was like oh this is cool i can set up this kind of because i was getting a little tired of of of the alias and the project and i was like oh maybe i should kind of see what it's a mouthful yeah it's a lie and it's confusing and

I got to be honest with you. I try not to say it out loud because I think I'm going to fuck it up. Dude, I didn't mean to make it confusing. I literally was just messing around and I didn't think anyone would ever care. But it looks cool written out, which is very important. It does look cool. Which is very important, I think, in the scheme of things. It looks pretty good. And I also think if somebody listening is high up at Google or GoDaddy or whatever, it would be nice to have a URL suffix to be... .never, so your website could be sick, you know what I mean? .never, I said. Oh, .never. Wow, I wonder if that's a suffix that's available. Like how you can do .pizza or .whatever, you know what I mean? Shit, I'm stupid, because mine is just like .never.com. I didn't do it. Well, I think you're not allowed to just make any word be the URL suffix. What's your preferred suffix? What's your preferred suffix? EDU? edm probably no i mean remember for the longest time we really thought that we really thought that that dot com really meant something like you were a loser if it wasn't dot com you're like oh dot net step your money up and now I mean, everything is just .studio or .work or whatever. I'm a .org traditionalist. I like that. I'm with you, Chris. If I could get a .edu, I would, obviously, or .gov. Those are the only two that rank higher. It has an early internet feel to it. I don't want to steal educational valor. That's the only thing. I do. I really do. I know. That's fine. You can let me do it. I think .org is really on point. a dot one of my websites is a dot org and it feels people get really it's funny jason because you're right like every you can have like chris dot dick and it's fine but like people every time they go there they're like oh what kind of org is it i'm like bro i picked it off a sheet like it's not like i had to pay extra like what does your tattoo mean you're like It's not that deep. Exactly. It's not that serious. We're not talking about that. It's a website, bro. It's all good. But I think it's your civic duty if you have a .org to make your website look a little web 1.0, Wikipedia. There's some truth to that. Which publicannouncement.org does. Yeah, like some pillars, like some Corel Arts. Yeah, just a little bit of Geocities, a little bit of all that shit. Some pillars.

Some pillars. If the pillars could be 8-bit animated GIFs that rotate or something like that. Do you work with somebody different for design stuff, or do you have a guy you lock in with? I go through basically eras with designers, and I really love the current designer. Yeah, I like a kind of a young gun designer. No ditty. I like them underage, too. As long as that Figma's of age, I'm happy. As long as the Figma's 18+, I'm good to go. I know. I mean, I used to work with... David Rudnick, who actually did the Marty Supreme soundtrack package and artwork and a bunch of the typography. I didn't know David. I thought he was just on Twitter, but he is a designer. That's good to know. Yeah, I know. He took a break from designing techno 10-inch album sleeves. To have opinions. We love Rudnick over here. Rudnick is amazing. He's amazing. His work on the Marty Supreme stuff, it's crazy because it's in the film. It's the awnings. It's the crazy Jewish shtetls. Oh, that's cool. That's cool. Basically, I don't want to give away too much, but there's a pen company in the film called... rockwell inc and he designed the rockwell brand and identity oh that's cool that's pretty incredible i love this no and no expense no expense spared in marty supreme i tell you what no it's cool it'd be like what if we should get what if david rudnik designed this pen company and they're like yeah text him well here's the thing about my guy elliot elder his his name and he basically what i found out was you know he was next up like rudnik tried to to try to basically like hire him or something like that like so that he wouldn't become the next rudnik yeah oldest trick in the book that's what uh batali did didn't work elliot believed believed in himself he bet on himself out there he bet on himself which is the great lesson of uh marty supreme perhaps look at that it's a full it's a full circle moment it's a full everyone everyone has to you know

let their wings flap and go out there on their own, right? I just feel like you're in one of those positions, too, where, like, you can kind of – they're going to answer the call if you want them, so it's up to you to decide sort of who's going to – Okay, sort of, but I don't want to – I'm not going to – I think he'll appreciate me to sort of making fun a little bit here. But Elliot, like, this is how confident and cool he is as a young man in the world. It's like – yeah he answered the call but he didn't really do his research like i don't think he knew what my fan base is like or how they'll you know like comb through every detail so when we made a teaser for the new album it's called tranquilizer out on war records right now it's uh like we do this teaser and he flashes all this sort of stuff in there that was just like random files from our work like from our whatsapp and it's like my entire like liner notes to my album it's like fucking everything and then of course like right away the opn fans are like screenshotting every thing and they're like oh my god it was mastered by stefan betka it was this it was that and i was like dude what are you thinking And he's like, oh, I didn't really think, like, anybody cared like that. I was like, okay, thanks. Thanks, dude. He's like, I don't know, bro. You didn't think anybody cared. You got, like, some fans, bro. I had no idea. Oh, so it's going pretty well for you with this music stuff. That's cool, man. Yeah, like, thanks for, like, Googling me before you decided to work with me, like, for two seconds. I mean, that's pretty, like, I think that kind of fandom was something we talk about a lot on How Long Gone because I think we're all of a similar age where... that sort of access to knowledge wasn't available and it made enjoying things much more free and easy, I think. I don't give a fuck. I still don't give a fuck who mastered your record. Why would I care about that? It doesn't make sense for civilians to care about stuff like that. No, it doesn't. It's crazy. It's meant to be enjoyed. But I like that this young buck was like, what's the big deal? I don't care. And then it has been proven.

Oh, definitely. I feel like I learned something from him that day. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the whole point. That's the whole point. This is why we need to surround ourselves with young people in the work environment. Their voice is so important. 100%. I think the old heads need to be receptive to learning, not just... like like you know schooling the youth yeah with wisdom which is what traditionally the role of the old head is and it's and and they should do that they have wisdom but the same can be said the other way around and then you get then you really you're all like Some next level shit. Young people, because when you're old, you get more stubborn and you're like, I'm never going to do that. That's right. And then a young person's like, yeah, I would never do that either. That's stupid. Here's how I do it. And you're like, oh, you found a tolerable way of doing something insufferable. Marriage of the opposites, baby. Put it together. Okay, all right. How much weed did you smoke before this podcast? Put it together, bro. Dude, I don't need to anymore. It's like a house of five. Are you perma-baked? You're perma-baked? Yeah, dude, on some level, I guess. I feel like in your line of work, that's maybe a positive. Don't you feel like the early experiments you do with hallucinogenic substances... Like, you don't need to keep doing it. I think there's a journey, and you take something from the journey, and you can kind of move on. Like, you don't have to revisit the fucking movie, like, 800 times if you've seen it a couple times. I wish I would have known that about, like, cocaine and stuff, but it does, yeah. It's a little different chemical. It's a little different, I guess. It's a different class of drug, yeah. When you put it that way, when you go legal eagle mode, you're right, it's technically a different class. You learn different rules on the coke than... The hallucinogenics. You learn just how far you can overdraft your account, for example. That's my cowardice. I don't really... Well, I don't think uppers don't really appeal to me, but I've never done cocaine. Bro, hold on. You're telling me you made all that Uncut Gems music and you weren't on cocaine?

That's crazy. Cold brew only. I've never taken it in my life. I think it's cool. I think it's cool when adults are just like, yeah, man, I don't know. That one just missed me. I don't know what, like, I don't know why. You know, I don't know why. No, dude, I know why. I know why. Why, because you're a pussy? Yes, but because I'm a coward. I think also because like I grew up in Boston and the sort of the legend of Len Bias was so, and then maybe like, I don't actually know what, what, what, what happened with Reggie Lewis later either, but I don't, I can't speculate. I shouldn't say, but Len Bias was, was really. So, and, and of course like the Reagan era, like don't, the fucking, um, this is your brain. This is your brain on drugs. The, um, the program, the sunny side up egg. and all that stuff that worked on me man scramble your brain dude that propaganda like worked on me that's that's actually fun you weren't involved in like hardcore in boston or anything right like you weren't into that scene i was like a little bit in a funny way like my buddy my very good buddy of mine named ben cisso basically was responsible he was like a kind of young precocious uh promoter and he managed to get fugazi to play to perform in boston for the first time in some amazing amount of years because they wouldn't come there because it was so racist yeah they were like they were like we're not fucking with boston and ben ben ben uh convinced him so i was always on the there wasn't a lot of um alternative culture in boston like the early o's mid o's but what there was was all sort of around around what ben was doing and around punk music and and noise shows and basement shows and this message board at the time called lemming trail where weird oh i thought you were gonna say bridge nine damn okay what's your what's your message board called uh it was called lemming trail in boston ben started that with his brother too ben was really like an instrumental part of like culture in in in and around new england like pumpkin hardcore music around the time when i was getting out of college yeah boston was really cool dude boston was really a hot spot for i always wonder why that stuff happens usually it has a lot to do with like colleges and the per capita amount of young people in one place which boston is is obviously stacked in that department and if i can say one more cool thing about ben because it's actually might be interesting for people years later he made a documentary um about the song who let the dogs out

that's fucking amazing you know i heard about this i've heard about this dude that's a great that's a great lineage there this has come on this has come up on an old podcast episode i remember ben made this doc about who let the dogs out and it's basically like like he traces the entire history of the song and the songwriting sort of the the etymology of who how did this when was the song actually written who are the dogs yeah no he asked the he asked the question who truly did let the dogs out and the answer will shock you yeah you i don't want to spoil it it's available now on tubi i just looked it up but yeah it's like You're like, oh, maybe the Baja men didn't write the song. Maybe they took it from this group. And then they're like, maybe this group took it from this group. And this, like, it goes back to, like, hieroglyphic times. That's cool. That's cool. It goes weird, too. There's some weird characters involved in that song. Yeah. Shout out, Ben, sister. Shout out, Ben. He'll love that. So when you're making this music for a movie that's this fucking long, because this movie's long. This movie's like three hours long. How much actual music are you delivering? Like, let's get a minute. What's the run time? 22 cues, 44 minutes, 45 minutes. Oh, okay. I mean, look, when you put it that way, it's looking like a good pay-to-work ratio. Wasn't that bad? Yeah. So you're not doing as much lifting as Gwyneth and Timmy, but you're not working. No, we work. We work. I mean, it's Josh Softy. We work in a we work. Yeah. But do you guys get locked in and go psyching? and go like psycho mode, like where you're like really locked in for a couple of weeks and get it done. Yeah. So, so basically what happened was Josh, you know, I finished tranquilizer and I'm, I'm in research mode. I'm already while I'm working on wrapping up tranquilizer, my engineer, um, starts sort of prepping, uh, uh, the mix for tranquilizer, another producer named Josh Eustis, who's, um,

He records under the name Telephone Tel Aviv. He was in Nine Inch Nails for a while. Actually, he's out in L.A. L.A. guy, yeah. Yeah, so he's great and does a lot of orchestration conducting stuff. I link up with him, and he starts setting up the projects for all these cues. There's basically a cue sheet, meaning a list of demands. And Josh is like, hey, so how are we going to do this? And I'm like, what do you mean? I'm just going to write some music and, you know, you'll hear it and then we'll revise it. And then he's like, no, no, no. Like nothing has changed in 10 years. I need to do this with you. This is very spiritually important to me. It's spiritually important that I be there with you. And I was like, okay, so we're doing it the old fashioned way. Then we got to find a place. set up shop, maybe somewhere in Brooklyn might be a little cheaper, might be more in the budget. And he's just like, he's like, we got to find a place that's on our budget, like next to my apartment and next to the office. Cause, cause Sarah, his wife is pregnant and he's in the edit. He's still working on all this stuff. So he, um, we found whatever we could afford in Midtown, which was like, they, I don't even think we could afford it. They basically were just like, yeah, we'll, we'll do you one. But it was, Like this facility that's just basically a bunch of B room, like editing room suites in a, in square circle. So we called it the fishbowl because you're like surrounded by other people making like fucking podcasts about weed and like. You got the Las Culturisas next door to you and you're trying to... Okay, so this isn't like you go to... Okay, this isn't like, hey, we're going to Marfa and we rented a house and we're setting this up for a couple months and we're going to just feel it out. We're not like that, those kind of guys. We're like, let's... stack the odds against us. This is as hard as we can to get this done in time. To the point where we're in the fishbowl and there's people walking by. They're sliding doors to our little... To call it our room is bullshit, really. It's just some walls. It was a hostel more than a hotel. It was a WeWork. This guy walks by and he does a double take and then he's like, Josh? Because Josh is sitting in there. And Josh is like, oh, hey, what's up? And it's some comedian guy he knows. And he's just like, dude,

no offense, but like, why are you here? The guy was just like, you shouldn't be here. I thought things were going well for you, bro. He's like, why are you here? This is where we are, not where you are. And it was that kind of vibe. But actually, you know, I was, you know, my spoiled ass was complaining about it initially, but it actually mirrored the sort of adverse adversarial nature of reality for Marty Mouser in the movie in a way that was actually kind of good for us. We really got into it. We like covered the walls of these giant black and white printouts of not the characters from the film, but real people that they were sort of based around visually. And I'll send you the picture after. But we covered the walls of this cubicle with these amazing images and just got. into the mindset, and it was really fun. It was really fun. Yeah, yeah. Well, if you had all that set up, the film takes place in the 50s in New York, so are we making some swinging, ragtime, jazzy tunes for Marty? You know what's funny about that? All joking aside, I did initially, like, there's a cue where basically Mauser's, like, fucking speeding through the Lower East Side, evading a police officer. And he looks amazing in it. He's like Miyako put the costume designer wardrobe. She put Timmy in this huge light look. I think of it as light blue. She insists that it's not a blue shirt. But he looks like Superman flying through the street. We'll agree to disagree. Is he on foot or is he on an old Tommy bicycle? He's on foot. He's running through the streets with this giant. shirt that you know like if you actually walk through you know like Lower East Side today you'll see a lot of that anyway so that's the brilliant part of it but and Miyako is a genius but he's soaring through the streets with this fucking cape and it's so fast and so I was like well you know like Benny Goodman style shit it's like double time it's like so we in a way we did sort of sneak in some kind of formal

tricks from period stuff very subtly into like, but we're talking like tempo and sort of like the pattern of a symbol. in swing music but never we never really went there no we pretty much stayed away from all that stuff so it still sounds like a contemporary score for you yeah it's a really weird mixture of stuff it's kind of like there's a lot of uh there's a orchestrated elements there's strings there's choir uh laraji the new age uh, musician is, is on it. Uh, wise blood sings a little bit. Um, there's a lot of digital eighties keyboard stuff, particularly mallet kind of vibraphone sounds like, which are really prevalent to, to, you know, new way of music in general. So it's like a lot of, a lot of that eighties stuff. But the reason we went with the mallets was, uh, cause the game itself, like I remember during the first, spotting session i i at some point just like closed my eyes and listened to the movie and it was like one of the early edits it wasn't but but there was enough there where i could kind of like zero in on the the sound of table tennis itself you know and it was like wow listen to the it's this light ball it's like really buoyant and quick everything's kind of light and speedy and i was like well how can i really get there and i was like wait a second a paddle is a fucking wooden stick and the balls at the end of it we're talking about a mallet you know we can we can we can actually get into like some vibraphone stuff whatever it takes to get to the vibraphone is what i always say i mean you're like look dude i really feel like i get you chris like you're like really like all right cut to the chase like is this shit not do this shit knock or not like i don't need them I don't need the backstory, man. That is one of our yin and yangs. I'm all backstory. He's front of us. Scoring, I think the whole practice of doing this is I'm not a big movie guy. I do not care, really. But the scoring and how it gets done is really interesting to me because it's such a puzzle that requires...

so much effort and sort of like it's such small pieces of music yes and like how those all work together to like get the story across it's just an interesting it's a very interesting process that seems like it takes a while to sort of understand and get good at almost that's right no i mean it was it was it was so such a kismet kind of like fun eureka moment really with the with the vibe sounds because you realize like you're like wait a second the the digital like the fair lights and clavier kind of 80s mallet sound is all over pop music from that time so i just had so much fun i was like hey if we're doing mallets like i pulled like 300 maybe 400 sounds I could find, like, samples of those old keyboards from the 80s, and just started messing around with different sort of, like, textured, like, here's the Depeche Mode mallets, here's, like, the Tears mallets. We got all the mallets. We got mallets. Yeah, it's really mallety. Miami Vice, the Yonhommer mallets. For sure. It's really mallet. It's really mallety. Well, you mentioned really liking Challengers, the film. Yes. a 24 ass movie involving paddle sports with a very good point more more people would i think more people have admitted that they like the soundtrack than the film arguably like it's like a really iconic soundtrack and i would say as equal as the film itself um how is that something that you considered i'm making uh a paddle sports film soundtrack Were you trying to not do what Challengers was doing so you don't get lumped in the same category? No, it didn't occur to me. But I did really, really love that score. And I thought it was probably one of the most thumping things he's done in a minute. Scores during this huge run of scores he's been busy with. That motherfucker's eating your lunch, bro. You got some catching up to do. Tell me about it. Tell me about it. Can you just take a beat? Just give me a second. Why don't you give Trent a new road bike? Get him out there. He'll be too busy riding. He's a workaholic. He loves it. I was really lucky to open up for Nine Inch Nails on.

tour like years ago and actually he was really encouraging me to at the time to be like no dude you because i'd maybe dabbled a little bit in scores but i think it was right before good time it was actually right before me and josh link up is when i'm on tour with trent and he i think he he could sense it he was just like dude you really you really gotta you really gotta like focus in on scoring i think this stuff is for you And I was like, okay, well, tell me everything. How do I do it? And he's like, I don't know. And he showed you his watch. He's like, you see that, bitch? Yeah. That's movie money right there, huh? He's like, you think I know? He's like, I'll just fucking walk and get it. Do you know how to say Richard Mill, Daniel? Oh, yeah. I know. Well, do you think there was a – so there was not a situation like you were talking about before with Rudnick and his understudy where there was a time where Trent was like, get down or be down, you know, come over. to Atticus Crib and you could work with us? No. Trent doesn't need to absorb. I mean, Trent is a monster, dude. He would be happy to go toe-to-toe with you on the soundtrack. He's good. He's like a juggernaut. That's the encouragement, though, but sometimes when encouragement comes from a place like that, it feels a little more weighty, let's say. It was amazing. That tour taught me so many crazy things. What was funny was I was there to basically be a kind of like a sort of weird padding. I was in active diplomacy because Soundgarden was on that tour with their 20th anniversary of Super Unknown. And it was like some kind of weird live nation shit with Trent. How long ago was this? 2015. But, you know, like they had had some sort of like weird, like grunge, like Twitter beef or something like that. Like they weren't totally. So it was a kind of like like a sort of let's bury the hatchet or whatever. But one of the.

negotiation sort of like tactics was like okay we'll do this tour but I get to pick the opener because you know I want to I want my vibe on this thing so Trent got Death Grips Death Grips couldn't make it and I subbed it Wow. I love that Death Grips couldn't make it. I think you kind of figure it out. You know what I'm saying? No, but I mean, that's the most Death Grips thing you can ever do is turn down a stadium tour. Totally. I was like, of course they can't make it because they got that dog in them. But what was weird was like Zach Hill, the drummer from Death Grips, was like a genius, like a prodigy years back, like around 2010 or 11. pinnacle moment for me where i was either gonna you know slot into somebody else's system and be like uh you know like a six man kind of thing or do my own thing zach was like hey do you want to like uh join my band of course i don't think at the time it was death grips or maybe it was like something like that but he was like come to japan and basically be the keyboard player in my band something like that i was like no i gotta make this record and i was i was i made replica So it's, it is one of those really interesting things. Like part of me does fantasize about some point in my life where I do just get to do some kind of weird John Mayer shit and being grateful dead. Like what would that ban me? I always think about that. And for some reason, my mind always goes to animal collectors. Oh, okay. We can't, we can't. We can aim a little higher than that, Dan. I know. Well, I think that's the point, though. No shots at Animal Collective. I'm saying you could call them and be in the band right now. You know what I mean? I'm saying I want you to have to kick the door down. I'm saying it's a good thing that he chose to go his own way and not be the 14th guy in Animal Collective. Now he's solo, splitting the money with zero motherfuckers. That's right. And selling more ticks than Animal Collective. That's true. You made the right choice. You guys are looking at it, and to your credit, I'm not.

I'm not judging this, but you guys are looking at what's the shrewd move here? What's the industrious thing to do? But I think part of John Mayer joining Grateful Dead is also like... This band meant a lot to me when I was trying to figure out. I mean, it's amazing from like a childhood. Yeah, it's like crazy. Okay, so in 10 years when OPN is kind of winding down, you can join Death Grips and play The Sphere. Yeah, Death Grips at The Sphere. Death Grips at Wrigley Field. I hope they're fucking putting out records. Death Grips at Wrigley Field. I hope they're putting out The Wall. Yeah, they could do that. Yeah, Death Grips at Wrigley Field. That's right. All right, I got to go. Dan, also, Dan, I want to thank you for not wearing the Marty Supreme jacket. I know you're saving it for the selfie because Tom Brady already posted, so I hope you're going to follow suit. That shit's already on StockX, bro. He ain't going to wear it. I thought you were going to follow suit. If I don't see a selfie of you in that fucking jacket, I'm going to be upset. So figure it out. I feel like one of you guys probably has better access to that shit as honorary fuckboys than I do, man. Thank you so much. I say that with love. That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to us on this show. All right, Dan. Thank you for listening. Marty Supreme is out Christmas Day, correct? Christmas Day. That's right. Christmas Day. Tranquilizer out. now and also we had um hayley gates on last week and you had a song on her movie as well which is which is great yeah thanks for taking the time to chat with us man we hope you had fun yeah of course likewise it was a pleasure overdue bro we'll see you soon better yeah definitely talk soon bye