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Yo, first of all, happy Father's Day to you, bro. Thank you. As your father, it feels good to celebrate. And all of the other fathers out there, like Joe Rogan and Danny Masterson and Chris D'Elia, all the daddies out there. Oh, shit. Damn, TJ lit up. Did you have a cold brew this morning? I had two cups of hot coffee with a... laird hamilton superfood creamer so you know i'm gone off the shits bro damn that's serious i didn't know laird was in the edibles business well laird laird makes some some type it's like a it's a non-dairy coffee creamer which is something that i have no use for ever yeah but it has all these like seaweed algae superfood mct oil fucking shits to it so I gave it a try on a whim. Will they sign on as a sponsor to be determined? TVD. Right before this podcast, I was actually listening to a podcast. Okay. Which episode of The Daily was it? I haven't been. I listen to it a lot on the road, but since I parked it in Atlanta, I haven't really listened. It was actually Reply All. which I feel like is a hit or miss at this stage, but very popular among our peers. Which I don't really understand. I don't know why people like it so much. I mean, I've listened to many episodes of it, and I don't have anything against it, but to me, it's just a podcast that's there. It's dorky. That's the thing. But sometimes they hit. yeah i guess it's kind of like our podcast if we were like virgins you know well i think i think it's more that it is like when it's good it's like pretty incredible but if it's not it's just kind of whatever um and it's also i think when you when there's that much money in production put into something it doesn't hit you're like what what's the what's the deal guys like how is this not hitting every time when you have fucking 50 employees you know um

But yeah, we have so much money invested into this. We can't do another episode of like listener question fan mail. Pull it together, bros. I don't know why we're going so anti reply. Look, no, no, no. I am not you. The episode is about it's pretty interesting. It's basically about how all of these white people are just Venmoing black friends money. like as like a weird form of reparations yeah and so he interviews this producer it's not the usual host i can't remember the guy's name he's he's black but anyway he interviews all of these these these black people that are for the most part and he says this like you know doing fine financially and like work in a myriad of like creative fields basically okay and then he but he finds one who gives up the dude who gave her the money. And then he calls the white dude. It's like, fam, what are you doing? You know? Um, and it's just really good. Cause the guy is like, definitely like an overeducated, like nerdy white guy who lives in LA. Um, but kind of just like, I don't know, man, like can't answer for it. Cause he's like, yeah, I don't really know why I like saw it on Twitter. So I sent my black friend from college $5 and said, like, you know, thanks for helping with awareness, have a coffee. Which is insane that anyone would think that is a good idea. I don't know. This guy wasn't dumb. You know what I mean? He didn't strike me as a dumbass. I don't know how you would get to that point where you think that is going to work. I mean, I think that... I mean, I guess it's just white guilt built up so much to the point where there's just a mental block and they don't see how that could be offensive to, you know, a independently wealthy, you know, successful enough person who is not, you know, where $5 is not going to change that person's life. Yes, yes. That is pretty rough. But the gesture.

The gesture alone, I don't know. It just kind of blew my mind. I just was, I mean, I obviously knew that was happening because I saw that, you know, happening on social media as well. But I mean, damn, bro. White people are dumb as fuck. That is not, like, that is just not, I don't understand how you could think that was acceptable. You know, and I just don't know. I mean, obviously, yeah, of course, it's just like white guilt and like, kind of like. figuring it all out which i think we have to give people the opportunity to do but i was just really it was entertaining it's just like some somebody just flailing you know just yeah they just so they're so unaware of what to do how to feel how to handle the situation you know i guess you know they they it is a hard situation for a lot of people so fair enough but there's you got a lot of work to do if that's what you think that's where you go You don't have somebody's line to bang that could help you kind of suss this out before you make a decision. I don't know. Maybe that part is also rooted in people's need to show off the fact that they're donating money. Not because it's something that they want to do and not because there are charities or organizations that need it, but because they want somebody to be like, hey man. I see you doing this. Thank you. Great job. And no better way to show your friends who you're desperately seeking the validation from than to send them direct $5 Venmo. She was like, the girl received it was like, damn, is this motherfucker? Is this like a Starbucks promo? Like, is this like, what's this dude do? Anyway. It was, it was pretty, it was pretty interesting. Cause like, I knew that stuff was happening and it's, it's actually, that to me is like that kind of podcast. That is exactly the use of that kind of platform right now. When you do that kind of like deep reported, like storytelling, where you do all this research and talk to all these people, getting the guy on the phone for 45 minutes and being like, well, how could you do this? It's like exactly the best use. It's like, cause it's entertaining.

And it's enlightening also. It's actually like, damn, this guy has thought about it. He's being forced to think about this versus just going through life acting like that was okay to do. Yes, and also hopefully all of their listeners who share that same level of guilt and have no idea what to do with it can learn from this person's mistake. Well, yeah. Trust me. Reply All's got more white people listening than we do. It's true. When you're based in Brooklyn, you already know the vibe. Go on this. Yeah. What's going on at Arrowhead, dog? Just Father's Day is getting kicked off with a bang. My girlfriend and her parents are going for a little walk so I can yell at my stuff in peace and quiet. They're like, let TJ talk to his dumbass friend on the phone for an hour while we go take out some scenery. Well, since they're from Orange County, they don't want to hear me potentially bad-mouthing Donald Trump or something like that. Of course, of course. They need to leave the house. I actually... I know we covered this last pod, but I'm home alone still. Saturday night, last night, I got home and I just turned on the news and was able to watch all two hours of Donald Trump's speech in Tulsa. It was two hours long? I probably had the TV on for two hours. It might have been like an hour and a half. There was a little pre-show red carpet. um well you watch the pre-show on cnn but then cnn won't show the actual speech because that's like kind of the point they don't want to give him the platform so your boy had to switch over to fox news you know i mean to catch the real heat were they playing on fox yeah i know surprising right i was like oh where should i look for this um but he did i mean it was pretty incredible he did like 14 minutes on walking down that ramp like it's like it's honestly like

It's truly insane to watch someone switch from reading the teleprompter. It's so clear when he's reading the teleprompter versus going off the dome. It's incomparable. But yeah, it was pretty amazing to watch. Because it didn't go well. The overall, the whole thing was a bomb. No one showed up. It was this whole issue. They had this whole thing set up for the overflow crowd, and they canceled it because there was no overflow crowd. Like, everybody could get in. BTS have fucked it up. That's how. There's some truth to that. I think that's probably a little overblown because it's such a good story. But, like, I saw every person I know retweeting that shit. Like, request tickets so that, you know, blah, blah, blah can't go. So I'm sure that BTS had to play it. But I don't know if they can take full credit. I don't think they're taking full credit because they're not, you know, there's also... black pink there's twice there's a lot of different k-pop groups out there who are carrying the load um and we you know let us not badmouth bts on this podcast because they will kill our family no no i i'm pro bts i just think that that story is too good let me be clear i am pro bts yeah definitely like let's not get it twisted but they i mean you know what did they said they they booked you know 900 000 tickets reserved for that i mean there's that would have been the biggest event in the history of the world and they're like yeah it's gonna be a fucking zuvi we got 900 thou coming to tulsa oklahoma a city where the population is 1 million well but i think it was i think it was like a grateful dead show where a lot of people just wanted to vibe out in the parking lot but not didn't need to actually go in you know what i mean they wanted to just catch the feeling outside i just want to be there be with their people yeah i really do think that was i think that was part of people like no i'm not i'm not going in but like but they had 6 000 people come 6 000 people is is i mean the thing is that that is a lot of people don't get me wrong but like it's not a lot of people for for something political it is like it's not like an inaugural you know what i mean like for basically in theory somebody just i mean also this is unprecedented because presidents don't do this so it's tough to judge against anything

but chain smokers can draw more people than that with with a 24-hour release and that's with like a ticket that costs a hundred dollars not a free no no you're right you're right no no look i'm not saying it was good but it was uh it was very interesting to watch i felt dude it's actually crazy i felt exhausted and dumb as a motherfucker when i finished like i like i started dozing off at 9 45 on the couch he was still going and i woke up and i'm like this guy is like It's truly insane how long he went on for. I don't know. I couldn't believe it. He's off the Addies. He'd definitely been in the green room snorting the Addies and yelling at the tour manager to not give any of the money back to the promoter. I saw that. There's potential talks of him maybe starting his own television network so he can have a home for his... his unbiased opinions to live forever which i mean good idea i guess it's for him i mean you know info wars is doing so well so well he's pivoted to oan which i don't really like that's like the new like extreme oan is like the extreme right wing news network I feel like it might be Facebook Live only or something. I don't know where you actually watch it. If you can go to your cable provider and request it like HBO in the 80s. Whatever it is, it definitely does not work on libtard Apple products. That's for sure. It works only on American-made Acer tablets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That are purchased at goddamn Office Depot. It's the same kind of person who builds a gaming tower. That's the only... Damn, don't come for yayo like that. No, you're right. I'm sorry, yay. Did you see any action from the family of white people who sang the Trump song? In a style of Taylor Swift, perhaps?

unfortunately those fucking youth groupers did not make it to to i didn't see them at that was the most youth group energy i've felt since having to go to youth group i forgot that people like that still existed it's crazy man because it feels it's crazy because it's it's so hard to piece together because they look so wholesome but then they're so vile and like what they're promoting it's very it's a very strange mix of like confusing things happening at one time Yeah, it reminds me of having to go to the Christian socializing night in high school or something like that because we were trying to have sex with Christian chicks or something. And you're like, damn, you guys are so... But you can just easily see right through. At your core, you guys are singing about... how black people should probably get out of here. Like that's what it's all about. It's like anti-abortion with a big smile. It's very, very strange. But that video was really, I'm glad that saw the live day. That really summed up a lot of what's going on. I blame Taylor Swift for that because they took a, that song was a very swift vibe. I mean, who knows, bro. She, you know, they could have some co-writers on that joint. A lot of people were talking shit about how the harmonies were bad. They were a little pitchy. Well, you know, I've heard worse. I think with a little work, get them in the room with Zed or something. Live music is hard, bro. Hopefully our friend Joe will do a New York Times. Oh, yeah. Diary of a song. Trust family. That would be so fire. I'll pitch it. We're going to need a good angle because I don't know if I see it getting pushed through instantly. Unfortunately, we've got to strike while the iron's hot because the story is growing cold already. We might have to hit up the onion for this instead. That's true. This is more of a reductress type headline, I think. That's the problem with this news cycle, bro. We do this podcast three times a week and that story's already fucking old. Well, that's why luckily...

We are doing a one-on-one pod so we can go in and cross the T's and dot the I's with our old ass stories from three days ago, which we will get to, don't worry. How do you feel about Twitter voice where we can now tweet audio messages? I am not going to use that because I think that people get enough of me and my voice as it is. I do think like when we were doing public announcement, we did a lot of like audio clips and use them for social, which is obviously great for a podcast. I think for business purposes, it's cool. I mean, I think it's funny, but I think it also just wear off and people won't use it because it's not, it's not like exciting enough. I agree. I mean, it is, I don't really see myself ever using it ever. And you know, I guess I don't have a magical voice that, in whatever I'm saying, needs to be captured in audio because the sentiment and feeling won't come through in the written word. I do, but I still don't feel compelled. If anyone listening has any bright ideas on how we should use that for the podcast, let me know. Well, I heard Jeremy O'Harris put up a demo of the Juneteenth anthem that he wrote. It was pretty good. like it was just like singing and banging on a table for the beat which was i that to me i feel like people will always figure out like a way to be funny and use it like that but i do think it's like the only thing people want from twitter is to be able to edit tweets that's the only thing people want yes because we can't just go and delete everything well i just want to be able to like if i fuck up punctuation that bothers me bro if i misspell a word when you misspell a word and then that tweet does numbers oh buddy And you know, when one of three tweets that you post does numbers, this is a real problem for someone like me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes those get into double digits. Fuck you. Well, let's talk. I know a lot of people were asking about our thoughts on our good friends that have been... Not our good friends, sorry. Fellow podcasters, Chris D'Elia has been in the news.

you know i mean i don't really know if i have any take on it at all well yeah i i i don't i don't know yeah what like i've his comedy has always sucked and now we find out he's a bad guy who is like you know i guess the term is is groomed these like high school students it is what i've read and that's obviously bad like what is there for us to add to that like that's fucked up Well, yeah, I mean, I just saw a video where he was being interviewed on a podcast and they were, somebody was talking about how Snapchat, how he was under the assumption that Snapchat, all the messages and everything deleted after 24 hours, which they do. And then the person talking was like, yeah, but you know, somebody can just take a screenshot. And then they put the Curb Your Enthusiasm music over it right after they said that because his face, he lit up like a ghost when somebody was like, yeah, you just do a screen recording or take a screenshot and then you have that dick pic with a 15-year-old saved on your phone forever. And the look on his face was just like, oh no. How do you get that far in life? He's not 80 years old. He's very... very you know comfortable using social media and technology he's you know a millionaire how do you not know stuff like that you know do you want to get caught is it a weird is that part of the fun and the challenge well that's kind of like the whole thing though of him playing you know the these characters too because i've never seen you or or um what's the other fucking show with australians but like that He was on both of those shows and I guess played a pedophile on two television shows, which is completely insane. Yeah, his entire filmography is either him doing stand-up jokes about fucking chicks or him playing a person who has sex with minors. And his manager or everyone on his camp was like, yeah, great, sounds good, good idea. Let's do all of this. I mean, I don't think that... I mean, that's really...

And I think there is some truth to this, that these motherfuckers get lost in the sauce, bro. Like, when you're fucking popping and famous and rich, like, you're out here doing whatever the fuck you want, and you do not even consider the consequences. It's a time, it's a tale of all this. All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable. And they're just easy, but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics, but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. Upgrade that look starting at just $34. You know, if you get a nice linen suit, a little t-shirt underneath it, some chill shoes, you're looking good, but you're staying cool. The inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties. So elevate that summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns, even on a nice holiday now available in Canada. That is Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash how long. That'll get you free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince punto com slash how long. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need a fucking something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you.

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We can't just make bad offensive jokes anymore and say, I'm a comedian, I can do whatever I want. Well, I think actually this has some parallels to the president and where we are as a society. I think the more polarizing you are, the better you do with your base. You know what I mean? So somebody like Chris D'Elia, there's a core white bro male fan that doesn't care about this at all. You know what I mean? It's just going to be like, well, I don't know. You could just find a way to justify it to themselves. And that is, I think, what has to be understood. That when you do something bad on this level and you have that kind of fame, it's Louis C.K. He's fine. He can go make millions of dollars going direct to his fans. He doesn't need, he built up a big enough audience where society as a whole just doesn't matter anymore. Yeah. But also, you know, it depends on what your definition of fine is. Like, he will end up dying, having a lot of money, and he will have a lot of fans. But, you know, after doing that, his life is forever altered. And, you know, he won't be able, you know, no woman is going to want to be with him. Um, and Chris D'Elia in the future will have a much more difficult time having sex with people. I actually, I, I kind of think you're right. I kind of think, but it's like, dude, you think about it. I mean, it's like, you know, these, these serial killers and mass murderers have like insane fans that want to sleep with them. You know what I mean? It's not, it's, it's, it's like fame, unfortunately supersedes everything. And it's it's kind of insane when you really think about it. But I do think that there are also now there's there's places for people to gather and like kind of like not organize, I guess. But, you know, there's a place for people of fans like that, like the Internet or whatever. You just you just find each other and then you can can kind of like create this this fandom and have other people to talk to where you don't feel as insane about not liking someone if they did something you consider bad.

You can create a Discord channel called OK with Pedophilia. Yeah, exactly. You can build your hive from there. Yeah, I just think it's I think that because of the Internet and the way that we are segmented as a society now, it's very easy to maintain a career after seemingly fucking up. You know what I mean? Like after society at large and people who know of you in a passing way are like, Oh fuck that guy. Like that just, that just galvanizes your, your like core fans even more to support you. It's really backwards, which how, you know, you were just comparing it to Donald Trump. And I think Trump is a prime example of, of that. Oh, it's, I mean, that's why, I mean, dude, he called it Kung flu. He called coronavirus Kung flu last night on national television. He called it Kung Flu again? Bro, he said it, yes, like on stage. That's what I mean. That's the type of stuff that he has to do now in order to have a chance to win, I think. I think he has to come out so strongly on the other side that he's betting on the fact that there are enough straight up fascists out there who are going to vote for him. The language that someone like that chooses to use is absolutely pointed and, and for that purpose, you know what I mean? But I do think that whether people support him or not, you know, I do think that style of approaching life is going to become more popular because it's just part of the, it's part of our world now, you know, um, like political correctness is frowned upon. And it is the more extreme you get. We've seen it rewarded at such a high level. Like how could people, how could people not be attempting something similar in their private life? You know? Yeah. You, you, you really have to, um, in order to succeed in this new world, um, where all subtlety and nuance has been removed. You, you really have to take a stand.

And you have to make a lot of enemies in order to make a lot of real fans. Which is a hard thing for intelligent people with a conscience to do. You have to sort of be a stone cold killer of a person. And be okay with having many people hate your thoughts. In order to really get your 10,000 fans who will make your life... a livable nice place which people i mean people hating you at that level is incredibly taxing like i don't care who you are or what you say you know what i mean like i i don't like as a person who distributes low level opinions that people don't agree with like it's it's it's it's not like it does a number on you I mean, yeah, like it's when it's something, you know, whatever. I don't really care. It's not that big of a deal. I would never compare myself to someone with like a huge following. But I just mean like that is not something to to like no matter who you are, it affects you. Whether you're a stand up comedian, a musician, a talking head, the president of the United States, like you might get used to it. You might like build up a thicker skin. But it's going to bother you because that's the way we're designed as people. Which is an unfortunate truth of if that is the case, then sociopaths are at the most advantage for succeeding in the future world then. Much like TBS characters welcome, success in the future of the world is sociopaths welcome. Are you able to be a terrible, heartless person? and still be able to live your life with a smile on your face because you don't know what you're doing, great, you're a perfect person for any position of power in the future. I say this all the time about people. If we're talking about the wealthiest people in the world, they're fucking monsters, dude. You have to be. You have to have such singular focus that empathy is just not part of your program.

And that's the problem with that's why we're suffering so much now as a country is because empathy has been put, you know, very low on the list of importance for people. And it's an every man for himself society. And whether that's business or politics, that's how people are approaching things. And it's, you know, it ain't helping anybody. And having, you know, the amount of money and power as the ultimate metric of success in the world. is unfortunately not helping that at all no for sure and that's i mean that's like that's baked in you know what i mean there's no it take it takes a lot of unlearning to think that money and power don't equal success it's fucked up bro it's fucked up bro but i mean i'm still out here chasing the bag so of course the the the bag never quits um and you know because of all all of kind of like the tidal wave of cancellations going on. And, you know, I think justice is really being served to a lot of people right now. You know, like a Chris Dillia or a Masterson or Joe Rogan or whatever, all these people who are, you know, attempting to take down. I, you know, the trickle down is kind of crazy. I think there's just justice and bullshit is being called on everyone around the world as kind of like a contagious thing. Which is exciting to watch as long as you're a good person. But there's just so many people who are bad people who have done this shit. The future is very exciting. And it's also scary because just so many people are that we know that everybody knows are bad and the cream is going to rise to the top. Yeah. And I think we've also put so much, I mean, you know, like why we think that like somebody you can tell a joke or is in a TV show is held to a higher state, you know, is like going to like, it's just, that's, it's.

Fame and money are a recipe for misbehavior of all levels. I don't know why we are surprised by this stuff. The Danny Masterson thing, that's been going on for 10 years. It came out and it was a blip on the radar because of the timing. You would see a story or a headline every few years over the last 10 years. you know, attempts being made or lawsuits happening or being settled out of court or whatever. And now, you know, real, I don't know, like, I guess people have just been living in fear of their abusers or their rapists or sexual predators or any of these people having them in check with, you know, whatever it might be, an NDA or just a threat of violence or shame or whatever. And that's just, you know, slowly being removed as other people are using other people as examples of how it can be done. And there is a support system out there because it's so hard to do that. It's so hard to come out against somebody who raped you. It's fucking traumatizing. Well, especially if they're, you know, wielding the power over you for years. You know what I mean? I thought you were going to say especially if they were a sitcom actor. No, no, no. I don't value my sitcom actors that much. But no, I mean, look, it's absolutely wild out here on every level, and I don't know where we're going. You know what I'm saying? As a society, I don't know where we're going. We're going to a civil war, and we're going to some type of utopian scenario. We're going to have to get a gun soon. I don't know what kind of gun to get. Do you know people that are copping guns? More than usual? Actually, no. Not direct friends of mine, no. But I have seen a lot of people talking about it. And I do feel like there is a decent sized civil war bubbling and brewing in America. And it is in between.

People who want to have the right to be racist and people who think that racism is bad. So, yeah, we've actually had that war before. Yes. It's interesting that we're just going to have it again. But I guess, you know, you don't learn from your past mistakes as a society. You must revisit them. Well, you know, because slavery was a. When slavery was abolished, it was just simply edited and rebranded with different words and different names. And we all know that racism is still well and alive in this world. And it's going to take a long fucking time to reverse that. No, no, that's true. That's true. But there are a lot of victories along the way. It is slowly changing. I think so. I mean, I think that it's... Yeah, it's much more slowly than people want, but that's kind of to be expected to in some ways. I think when the leader of the free world is against the change, it's going to take more effort than maybe was budgeted. Yeah, and people really hate admitting that they're wrong. It's a real big issue with our country. I guess just humans in general. Well, that's definitely true. Okay, so Joe Rogan is going under fire because he's saying that masks are for bitches, which I guess is an example of wielding power irresponsibly. No, it's... Well, yes, but it's also an example of pandering to your base. True. Joe Rogan wears camo and has that American flag hanging up, and it's all... subtle, but we all know where, where big dog Sam. Yeah. I mean, I wonder if you like in the future, will, will people get in trouble for, for saying things like that when you have that much power? I mean, I think that if the thing is that his power is, is to us and people, we know it seems really big, but in the scheme of things like a podcast is still not big enough for most people to like recognize the power.

Like, you know what I mean? Like real, like society as a whole, I don't think he's really like understanding the level of where he is. Bro, he has a YouTube channel too, bro. Come on. That's true. But these are all still like, but you know, he's don't understand. He's a voice in the head of millions and millions of people multiple times every week. Like I think, I think he's a lot more influential than many, many more. people who are more famous than him who have a bigger following than him just because no oh no question no question but i i'm saying that like like what does get in trouble mean you know what i mean like that that's what i mean because it's like because he's i mean until recently all that was independent you know nobody dude nobody gives a fuck if you're doing numbers you're delivering to your advertisers like If they've already signed up to advertise on a Joe Rogan show, they're going to be okay with you taking it a little further than you did the day before. But where is the line drawn where Spotify takes his $100 million away? And they're like, okay, we can't get on board with this. They haven't aired one episode yet. They can't pull out yet. I mean, is there a clause in the contract of saying you can't... I mean, I'm sure he would never sign a contract that would say that. So it sort of has to happen, but I guess they could agree to, you know, sever their contract and he still gets paid. But if he does something that, you know, could literally kill, you know, many thousands of people because he told 19 million people to be irresponsible and not wear a mask, you know, something has to happen there. Well, it doesn't, unfortunately, because I think that his defenders would be like, well, it's freedom of speech, you know? And it's like, you know, that's like simply what it comes down to with issues like that with dumbasses. Like that's what the response is. It's not, again, there's no like nuance. It's just like, no, no, it's free speech. You can say whatever we want. And like, that's why we can say Joe Rogan's a fucking idiot. You know, it's like, it goes both ways.

His is obviously more dangerous, again, because of the level that he's at. But I just don't... I don't think that... I don't think he's going to suffer at all from that. I don't think that really matters. Besides people that we know on the internet. I think that's where it begins and ends. Sure. When I was listening to that show, it was with Bill Burr. and and he was calling him out on his bullshit and saying that's stupid and why are you being like that and like that is the good part about something like joe rogan is he is the only person that will take that with stride and and welcome it and air it on on his own show even though but that's why people look bad that's why people give him a pass though because it's like well but look he shows both sides yeah like true okay When nobody else shows both sides, something that seems so base level and suddenly becomes amazing. Well, if I can make $100 being a smart person for dumb people, I guess I probably would too. But man, it's truly amazing to watch. It's the same thing with... Like I was talking about with Charlemagne. It's the same. They're so similar in that way where it's like baseline ideas that dumb people take and run with and think that, and that's why these guys have gotten the platforms. They know exactly who to appeal to, you know? The lowest common denominator, dumbest people are also the highest demographic of audience member. And that's how you're going to make the most money. I was listening to Charlemagne's podcast. He didn't know who Greta Thurberg was. Like he wasn't kidding. I believe that. That's fucking crazy. Like to agree or disagree is one thing, but to not know who that person is, who she's been in the news consistently for multiple years in like a big way is just showing to me that you're not qualified for the platform that you have. It's very simple. Like you can't go, you can't talk that shit and not have a baseline understanding of like,

current events i think because you can't chalk up chalk up like climate change to like white people shit i i think the vegas odds of charlemagne not knowing who greta thornburg is would be pretty pretty decent i'm actually i believe that i i was a little surprised i gotta be honest i was a little surprised but but again i i don't i mean you know he also was capping for j cole so obviously he's just he's he's gonna be on the wrong side of history a lot you know J. Cole. See, even J. Cole finally is being taken down. Yeah, but J. Cole is, again, it's like, he's fine, bro. His fans don't give a fuck. It's true. His fans don't give a fuck. It's also like, the other thing with that is that No Name, who he's going up against, I guess, for lack of a better term, is not popular enough to move the needle. um you know she is now she is now but my point is it's like they probably have the same manager yeah well the reason he again it's like he punched down it was stupid like you don't need to like you basically named someone who didn't name you like what what are you doing dude she didn't say like you just read into this and decided i'm gonna go after this like black woman right now like is that really the move oh cool jermaine Team Breezy would never do something like that. Speaking of music, the music world is beginning to heal again. There's concerts and festivals are starting to happen there. You sent me a link to one that's in rural Pennsylvania with some deep house and tech DJs playing music. I didn't recognize the talent. I just saw that on Jubilee's Twitter and was interested in it. Yeah, it's like you go, I mean, it's kind of an interesting progressive idea where there's like a, everyone who's in there is like quarantined and you can't get in to the grounds unless you've tested negatively. So it is kind of like we were joking about pause parties when quarantining first started. And that's sort of, you know, what's going on. You have to pass that. And then once you're inside, then you can just.

do drugs and fuck whoever you want and, you know, live life without the worry of catching the COVID virus. I think that the, all that stuff's going to blow up because people are just so desperate. Like it's definitely going to happen. So like, if this is the first one, you know, people will be shocked by it, but I think it will continue. Yeah. People, people will, I mean, I think the tickets were like six or $700 and then you get, you get like camp campsite. For two days and then all these DJs and stuff. And there's probably like group yoga and some shit. And I think people are willing to spend $600, $700 for a middling tech DJ lineup. Tech house lineup. I would pay $600 to see you DJ in Pennsylvania for sure. Why in Pennsylvania? Well, I mean, I'm sure it's also they're having to look at it like a per-state basis, you know what I mean? And be like, where can we do this versus like, where should we do this? Sure. Yeah, so AEG and Live Nation, they announced that because they lost and are losing so much money that they are now making the actual bands and performers pay, they're starting to enforce their contracts where if talent has to cancel the show, then... the talent themselves is responsible for paying the promoter two times, two times their guarantee for having to cancel the show. And even, even, even if it is, you know, act of God type of scenario, that's what they're trying to do because they're just losing so much money. That ain't good for the business. It's bad for the business, but like, hopefully it could, it maybe could usher in a new, you know, wave of rebelling against these major crazy corporate corporations, but it kind of has to start at the, uh, the venue level as well. But the problem is these, I mean, dude, there's just no, I mean, the advance you can get from AEG or live nation is like life changing. No one. I, and like that shit, it's fire. That is a great thing. But until you have to pay two X what they were going to pay you,

and now you know you suddenly your 360 deal means you owe well a corporation 85 million dollars or something well then don't fuck up i mean it's pretty simple to me like don't play the fucking show pussy put on a mask well fucking up is unfortunately the world coming down with a global pandemic that's you know that should be That should not be the responsibility of the band. But I guess, yeah. If I want to see 21 pilots, I need to see 21 pilots, whether the world is ending or not, bro. Everything does change, though. When you sign that 360 deal and you do that deal with the devil, there is a lot of fine print on those contracts. And you have to know that when you're signing. Yeah, I mean, well, I mean. To be fair, no one getting those. I mean, most people getting those contracts are like the top 1%. It's not like they're handing those out to everybody. But I would love to check out some live music one of these days. Did you see D.L. Hughley pass out on stage in Nashville? I did see that. And then they're like, oh, he's got corona. I did see that. I know that he has a history of – I forgot. He has, I think, diabetes maybe? Yeah, he does, but they literally, he like fell out on stage. The promoter had to drag him off the stage, took him to the hospital, tested him, and he has corona. God damn it. I did not know that. Yeah, like the visual is crazy because he's like up there telling a joke and literally just slumps out and like falls off and like the promoter catches him. It's like the classic video of one of the members of Casey and JoJo passing out mid-song on stage. Do you think that was drug related or do you think that's like... That was a... Life coming at you fast related. I think that was a perfect storm of him probably having a little exhaustion, a little dehydration, and a little bit of heroin in his system. We call that the trifecta, baby. I mean, the thought of being able to...

Do you think anybody who's not a celebrity can say they have exhaustion when they have a health problem? I don't think that... I've never heard a layman try to use an excuse like that. Unless they're an Ironman triathlete, they are not allowed to claim exhaustion. I just don't get that. It's like having Lyme disease. Every celebrity got Lyme disease when they went to rehab. Justin Bieber got Lyme disease. The motherfucker's 25 years old. Unless you... or physically unable to sleep and you can't find a hose to drink water out of you you should be okay in 2020 where's the spigot i'm exhausted i mean i don't i exhaustion is an incredible i mean people the thing is is that and that stuff always was such a sign to me of how dumb americans are or people as a whole like you really think A 28-year-old celebrity is exhausted. They're on drugs, guys. Come on. Well, they don't think. They just don't want to know the truth. We all want to be lied to every once in a while. I prefer my celebrities to be on drugs, personally. But yeah, I get it. I also kind of do, which I guess is bad. Well, maybe I did. At its core. I think maybe I want them at least to have had that experience. I would like all celebrities to just get really into smoking weed and just turn into a massive stoner. I don't want their life to be torn apart by cocaine. That's a bad way to go out. Maybe I'm talking to the wrong crowd. You are talking to the wrong crowd, but I understand where you're coming from. You're giving it a more mature view. Thank you so much. TYSM. I mean, man, there's just so much going on, TJ. I'm feeling the burn a little bit. I'm feeling a little exhaustion. So you are now claiming exhaustion. Exactly, because I feel like it could.

Does it make me feel like more of a celebrity? Anything it takes. Now that the podcast is doing numbers, you're starting to pull that exhaustion card out. I'm wearing sunglasses indoors and I'm exhausted right now. It is an exhausting time. Our world and humanity are going through some growing pains right now. Hopefully, that is the case. No, no. I don't even mean... I think it's more just like... And this is a good thing, but I think it's feeling really engaged, whereas I was engaged before, of course, but I think everything I was engaged in was a little more trivial and didn't take much mental capacity. You know what I mean? Comfortably numb. Yeah, it's like I would never watch a two-hour fucking Trump shit. I shouldn't have watched that anyway, but that is an example of something I would have never done. A year ago. You would never watch a Netflix show about politics for people in their 20s, but yet here we are. What are you talking about? Patriot Act. Oh, because I've been watching the West Wing. Yeah, I mean, I like the growing pains. It hurts, but, you know. I know I do too. I think it's valuable. I think it's like where I should be as a 37 year old man. You know what I mean? But it's like, you know, it's just a lot to take in. You know, you throw in all this celebrity bullshit that like actually doesn't matter, but it still matters. You know, it's like the hierarchy of concern is tough to parse as well. It's an exciting time to be a broadcaster in the world, isn't it? Yeah, that's why I consider myself a broadcaster. Yeah, exactly. Well, you know, I spent. I woke up this morning after two hours of Trumpito and just got on the internet and started. I've been looking for LA spaces. Yes. Now that your failing New York City has been reduced to rubble, you need to come out to Cali where we can start our organic farms and live off the land.

To be fair, I want to come to Cali for like a month. Relax. But, yes, I do want to come to Cali. And, man, it is – I thought the Pickens were going to be a little thick, but they're slim. The Pickens are, in fact, not slim. It's bad, man. I mean, I've seen a few things that I – but, like, you know, I just – I don't know. I'm a little – I'm going to figure something out. I think maybe you were a little behind on – Yes. On the curve where everyone else had this idea of relocating to LA a few months ago. But I thought maybe those people would have gone back. You know what I mean? Like the people who are going to do something temporary like me, like a short term, I figured it'd been like, all right, if you went in March, you know what I mean? It's been a long time. You've probably had to go back to where you came from. But there's no reason to go back to where you came from now. Where you came from is not what it once was. Well, I mean, I don't think Cali's that good either, bro. Let's calm down. No, I'm not trying to big up Cali like that. Sure does sound like it, but okay, yeah. Okay, maybe I am. But I think that once you do make that move, and I don't know if anything is going to drastically change anytime soon, so we're going to be in the long haul for those temporary transplants. no i agree and i thought i mean i'll find something i'm sure that you might have to expand your horizons down to riverside or something perhaps yeah santa clarita is looking pretty good i've been you know i've been like you know we joke chris but don't sleep on it i mean look bro what if i became just like oh hi guy just really by myself you know i mean I mean, look, I just I got to figure out what my options are. Like, I'd rather be in fucking I'd rather be in Ojai than like downtown L.A. or some awful shit. Well, you've always you've always been a person who who has been a very NYC guy. And you and you also had had the opinion and vision that you kind of needed to be in New York in order to conduct your business. And now that you have not had to.

be in new york to conduct your business for the last few months you know what are you what are you feeling are you or you just can't wait to get back to new york and back to normal or have you been able to look at the way you work in a different way i mean i think that getting back to normal is not really a feasible thing in a lot of ways you know what i mean um so i've kind of um uh i i don't know i've come to terms with that i guess um I think that was the hardest hit and will also be the fastest to recover in some way. I would imagine that is kind of like what will happen just because of, I think the way resources will be. All right, de Blasio. No, no, no, please. I'm not, I'm not de Blasio hive. But I mean, I'm not, I don't think that. I feel like it would be crazy to be like, I got to move. I got to get out of here. I just don't have that impulse at all. But work has been pretty good. And the remote thing has not bothered me. But I do. I mean, I'm a face-to-face guy. So that bothers me. Well, I mean, face-to-face is kind of happening. On Friday, I had two meetings. A social distance meeting where we just met in a public outdoor place and sat. away from each other and and had a meeting yeah i mean i saw some friends yesterday in that way like in a backyard situation you know what i mean um that's all good and well i i just don't know what's gonna happen you know and so it's like going back to new york right now just doesn't seem like it would be that positive like it just doesn't seem that fun you know so like if i can figure it out and go to la and and build the fam for a little while that why not you know um it was kind of how i look at it uh the problem with la is you got a car it just becomes expensive you know when you really start to look at it yeah it's not as affordable as cheap as hell city new york but you know what i'm saying i know you're saying you'll be fine chris oh i'm just i'm just more so wondering what's going to happen to our dynamic when you

just permanently moved to LA, will it be like Superman's kryptonite being taken away from you if you give in to Cali? I'm not moving to California. And if I'm there for a month, I've been in California for a month every year of my life since I was like 22. Yeah, but that was pre-quarantine, pre-new world order, pre-revolution. If you come out to California, there might not be a New York to return to when you go back. Well, if I'm not there, is there in New York, really? You know what I mean? If you think about it that way. You know what I mean? No, I'm just kidding. It's going to be like the Tool song. You know that Tool song about how California goes into the ocean, Arizona Beach or something like that? Bringing up Tool is interesting because I want to talk about something that's really fucking got me. Besides systemic racism, this is the thing I'm most mad about. I would love to see how this relates to the band Tool. People liking the deaf tones. It's fucking crazy. Like the Deftones, I guess it's the anniversary of the record people like yesterday. And it's just every time the Deftones comes up, I'm shocked at the people who like that. It's bad. It's like, it's not, I don't understand how you could be cool and like that. Well, the Deftones, you know, it depends on what your age was at the time that they, we are both the right age. I know. I know. And, and I, you know, for me, I remember when the Deftones came out and, and what i mean i guess it was like late 90s um when it was really when it first came out and and everyone i knew who was into cool interesting underground music they would they would be like low-key fucking with the deftones because you know for whatever reason they like the guitar tones or stuff like that um but it was it was like very seminal um important music for a lot of people of a certain generation it's it's but it's just like it's like radio hardcore or something to me i don't it's like alternative radio hardcore is what i would call it yeah that is true um but you know done in a way that wasn't as offensive as a lot of other terrible music

i look i agree like i'm it's better than 18 visions like i get it but like i just don't i just can't believe that that is like i don't know it's it's very surprising to me tool and deftones are two bands that a lot of people i know like where i'm just like what happened to you like how did you ever like i would have gotten clowned for liking that when i was like my friends have been like what the fuck are you talking about but we don't listen to this shit this is whack Well, I mean, Tool was dorky music, for sure. But you had to be like a musician who respected that type of, or that style of music to be like Dan This Is Wild. I'm not saying these guys can't fucking shred. Like, that's not the issue. It's just deeply uncool. It's like deeply uncool in a way that like, I guess you could say the same thing about me liking Third Eye Blind or whatever, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, when I was. They had eight singles, bro. So go fuck with, you can't fuck with that. i know but like when when i first started listening to tool you know i was like fucking 13 or something like that so to me i was like i don't know what this is but it freaking rocks and it's badass and the lyrics are depressing and about crazy shit so i cannot my 13 year old brain is feeling it i'm so sick of revisionist history on fucking bands like this like rage against the machine too i mean it's like guys this shit is this shit has always been alternative radio rock like don't act like this is anything but that But you have your own versions of all of these bands. Anyone could make an argument against any of the bands that you like as well. No, because no one's saying Third Eye Blind is misunderstood in some revolutionary band. They're just good, and they had fucking hits. They had slaps, and they made a lot of money, and they were big. And that is something I can respect. I think they're all very smart. They're cool as a band. I know he was an inside out, so people give him a pass. But in general, all of that music to me is like Maryland. It was all the same time period. And if you were into truly underground music, you thought that shit was whack.

Am I wrong? No, you are not wrong, but it's an age thing is what I'm saying. If I started listening to Rage Against the Machine when I was 27, I'd be like, okay, this is for entry-level teen revolutionaries who are just learning how to skate and stuff like that. Very fine, very well, but not really my demographic. It's like reading a children's book or something like that. We know you've read all the Harry Potter books. If you are like many other people who started listening to Rage Against the Machine when you're fucking 13 years old or something, then you are at the perfect day. It's like fucking shit on somebody who's like reviving 90s clothing. But what I'm telling you, Jason, no, but what I'm trying to explain to you is we are the age to think we were the age. So I didn't succumb to that because I'm not a sucker. Other people did. That's what I'm saying. We are the age. So if I am a couple years older than you, that means if I'm listening to this band at 13, you're listening to it at 11. So at 11 years old, you know enough about music to know that Rage Against the Machine is trash. I've never owned. I've never owned. No, I wouldn't go that far. I'm definitely not that ahead of my time. But I have never. I can confidently say I've never owned a Tool CD, a Deftone CD, a Rage Against the Machine CD, a Marilyn Manson CD. None of that shit because it's all trash. CDs I have owned, no effects. Might be trash. Okay? That might be trash. That's fine. That's fine, but NoFX was truly underground, at least. I can give them that. I understand it's deeply uncool. It's just deeply uncool in a very different way. You're going to have to accept the fact that many people did not have... I think when you're at that age, you are at the mercy of your friend's older brother's taste in music, or older sister, or your cool aunt or uncle who gets you into the Pixies when you're too young to know what the Pixies are, whatever.

Some people get lucky and do that, but most people have to, you have to crawl before you can walk and you have to... I crawled. I'm saying I crawled. I just crawled in a different way and I deemed that way to be better than the other way they were talking about. I'm not saying I was so advanced. Listen to Operation Ivy. Operation Ivy is fucking cool. That's one weird example to me that was kind of grouped into that no effects world, but somehow... is just much cooler and, like, seminal and, like, a really important band. To put that in the same category or, like, to think of, like, a band like that that, like, I can listen to Operation Ivy right now and that shit holds up 100%. I know every word to that record and it's, like, forever cool to me. Even though it's almost ska, which is deeply uncool. Like, to even think about something like Rage Against the Machine or the Deftones doing that for someone is just really hard to wrap my mind around. This is really difficult. wrap your mind around this idea. Suck on this one. When I was in high school and young, one of the least cool bands of all time was Oasis. If you liked Oasis, that was mainstream, lamestream bullshit, you know? When you're the biggest band in the world or the biggest whatever in the world, it is a sign that you are not cool. Especially in the 90s. Yes, but the difference is, and this is a similar thing to Third Eye Blind that I would like to point out, these bands weren't trying to be part of a counterculture. They weren't trying to be political. They weren't trying to say fuck the man while also taking a big old check from the man. That's the difference. Oasis was part of something that seemed... underground and edgy to americans because we didn't know what brit pop was so that was like a new concept but like rage against the machine or i mean i don't think the deftones are political but rage is a machine taking like hardcore ideals and basically repackaged it for the radio i found corny but i also think that the value in that is obviously disseminating that information to a larger audience which is valuable yes

But value and coolness, unfortunately, don't always go together, Jason. All right. Yeah, that is true. Yeah, you can reach more people if your shit is at Hot Topic versus the cool underground music store or whatever. That's all I'm saying. I can't believe that, like, that to me, I just totally equate with, like, alternative radio graveyard of the late 90s which of course i like a lot of that stuff like third eye blind or matthew sweet or some of these things that like kind of crossed over but they weren't trying to be like angsty teen political they were just making music that was catchy and good you know right so i mean i think we were talking about a similar topic a while ago about the type of people who are being canceled currently are the ones who have been the most outspoken it's easier and more fun to take these people down who are you know like when the the christian fundamental person who you know god hates yeah when lindsey graham is getting male like escorts like you know what i mean like that's what people love the most they love the justice of of that So these outspoken people like Marilyn Manson or Rage Against the Machine or all these people who are yelling stuff, it's more fun and it's easier for you to see them not turn into these revolutionary people where it's just they're disguising their intentions of being a rich and famous musician behind... Like Tom Morello roasting somebody on Twitter recently is funny as fuck. The guy's like... Keep politics out of music. He's like, motherfucker, where have you been? I've been doing this for 20 years. That's what I'm saying. I think these guys are really smart and actually are well-spoken and understand these issues more than most people in their position. They're just deeply uncool. It's just not cool music. It is more cool to be a little bit more covert and sly about your beliefs and intentions versus...

overtly screaming about them like a maniac is not what you prefer. I'm the same way. Maybe times have changed and we need people. Maybe why this is coming up now is because we need people to be screaming and that's why it's working now. The people who enjoy the subtle nuance of a thoughtful roast or mention or any type of thing. That is, you know, people who subscribe to the Paris Review or the New Yorker and they read it and then they're like, ha ha, that was a nice burn. Now I'm going to go feed the ducks. You know, nothing is going to happen. It's preaching to the echo chamber. You know, we've learned now that we have to be offensive and loud and smash stuff in order to get some real change going. I mean, but also, you know, we need we need we need the people that are more subtle and nuanced with their message and their voice at the very least just for entertainment or to maintain your sanity. It's probably not going to do anything other than preach to the choir, though. Well, I mean, that's that's no, that's true. I think there's probably look, there's room for everybody. You know, I recognize that. And to be fair. I don't think the deftones are political in any way. I think they just suck. Well, you haven't really listened to them then, have you? Oh, is that what it is? Yeah, I guess maybe that's not what it is. But I also think it is fun and funny to be somebody who prefers a more subtle, nuanced translation of your politics or beliefs in the world. To be one of those types of people and also talk a bunch of shit on the people who are not is inherently funny to me. Well. So I'm saying good job us. Let's keep it up. Yes. Just two white podcasters patting themselves on the back. This is what this country is built on. I've done it yet once again. Once again. But, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I just can't. I can't deal. It was yesterday, I think. And they put out some ugly-ass merch, too. Anyway. Oh, man. I'm going to. I need to leave. I'm going to play tennis for the first time in a little while, TJ.

Damn. I cannot wait to battle you on the courts, my friend. Dude, you're not even like, let's not even. Okay. I mean, we can make that our only fans. All right. How much money do you want to bet that I will beat you at tennis? I can't put a monetary value on that right now unless it's a donation. So, I mean, I think, you know, this is like celebrity boxing, right? I think it should be a donation or. something more sinister, but not just a hundo. We'll set up a GoFundMe for tennis lessons for Chris Black. We can do a charitable angle if that's what I'll get the deal done. That's not what I meant, but I see where you're going with this, and I don't like it that much, to be honest. Okay, this could be a live stream event where you and I play tennis. I want us to have maybe an Iron Man style. This is a great idea. I want us to have a decathlon of activities tailor-made just for you and I. Well, that unfortunately doesn't work well for me because some things like running, you just can't do. So that would be unfair. But I would obviously smoke you. Well, that's why I'm saying the decathlon challenges are bespoke to us. They don't even have to be in the sporting. It can be whatever. Typing. I can't mix EDM records. That's my running. You're going to have to start practice. Get the CDJs at the Airbnb, bro. It's time to practice. Nobody said decathlons were easy. I'm going to think about a way we can put this together. It'll be a charity angle. Arm wrestling. Quarantine arm wrestling. Whatever it can be. I can start setting up. I can call Decatur Dan and get him going and get a crew ready to shoot because I think, you know, during COVID, I think people are booking up. You know, everybody's getting back to work because we'll need the steady cam for this. Yeah, if anyone wants to do pro bono BTS footage, let me know. But you got to come with your own gear. This ain't no GoPro broke boy shit. We need some real, you know what I mean? We need some real gear. Sweetgreen will be provided on set, of course. Yeah, of course. Couldn't do it without our friends at Sweetgreen.

My friend Isaac, who lives in New York, but is from Atlanta, has access to a private home court in Buckhead. Not only am I going to play tennis, but I'm going to play tennis in the way that I deserve. The way you deserve, which is a rich, white, old people neighborhood? I don't know the exact demographics. Walk me through Buckhead. I only know Buckhead and Bankhead. And all of these different areas of Atlanta from rap songs. Bankhead and Buckhead couldn't be more different. But Bankhead is much cooler. Buckhead is much whiter. So it's kind of like Echo Park versus Brentwood or something. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fair. And it's not hard to know where your allegiances might lie. Well, I would say that Bankhead has given me more creatively. Buckhead has them all. That's the only, I don't really know. I don't really know how else to, I mean, Buckhead is a boring white neighborhood, but like that's where stuff is because it's, you know, a main stretch of a main neighborhood in the city, you know, historically. I don't know. Actually, I don't know the history of Buckhead. That's interesting. But yes, it is a rich white neighborhood. So you're going to be out there. It's going to be a very well manicured court. You know, there's going to be picturesque trees instead of a plastic bench on the court. It will be hand, handcrafted wood. Passed down to generations of white people. I would hope so. The soft drinks, you're going to have the small Cokes that you would always find. First of all, who drinks a soft drink while exercising, Jason? I'm obviously bringing my own large smart water. Old white people. I mean, maybe having a cig between sets, that's cooler than a Coke. That's the Buckhead bounce right there. Just blast a Dunhill in between sets. Did you forget to take the pheasant out of the oven, Richard? Damn, you're giving these people a lot of credit. I don't even know how much paper they got. This shit could be, you know, mid. Well, I wish you luck on your tennis game. Thank you. You will need it. I will need it. You're right. I have to go buy shoes, too. I thought I had a pair here, but I don't. So I got to run to Dick's Sporting Goods and cop what they got. You know what I mean? Because you can't.

You can't play tennis. Don't say I got to say I get to. Don't act like a pop into Dick's Sporting Goods is a chore for you. I do love dicks. On that note, it has been great chatting with you. Love you, TJ. Thanks to everyone listening, and happy Father's Day to all the fathers out there who listen. If you want to give us a nice rating and review on Apple Podcasts, that would be appreciated. As we grow. And we'll see you guys next week. Yep. Holler. Bye. Later.