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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? It is a beautiful day. here in Kansas City, Missouri, Jason. I'm glad you made it safely to KTL, is what I'm going to call it. KTL. So you've had a little bit of a travel the last 48 hours, something like that? I just got back to Glendale yesterday. Last night. Yeah, I had a day, let's say. I went from Chicago to LaGuardia to a... parking garage to pick up a giant GMC Sierra 1500 Denali electric vehicle, then drove that an hour and 15 minutes to what my wife lovingly refers to as a cottage. which is a house in a pool that is just outside the city in Bellport. And then this morning I woke up at 4.30 and had a car take me to the airport, and now I'm in Kansas City. Was it hard to get a car from the cottage to the airport? Actually, using Black Lane, no. And I only use that in situations because, as we've discussed, and I'm sure our listeners will agree,

The Uber Reserve thing is fake. Oh, like where you call it ahead of time? It's not necessarily fake, but it is at your own risk. There's a lot of room for error, I guess, is what I'm saying. Of course the option is real. I just mean I feel like I've had some experiences. It's not a trusted source. Exactly. I've had some experiences that were less than savory. I tried it once. With that. I tried it once. I told you about it where my driver showed up a half an hour early to pick me up and was asleep. And I had to remind her that you're on the freeway and shit like that. And then you're paying $147 for somebody in a Kia. A far cry from Escalade. These are not real problems that people have. But I got Vic, our trusty driver, on the way home. If anyone needs a Vic plug in L.A., just let me know. I left my AirPod case in the backseat of the car. Text him. He's at my house in five minutes at the door. See, that's service. Try that with Uber. No way. They hold that shit ransom. Yeah, you got to tip that guy $100. It's like when I used to leave my phone in the cab because I'd be so zonked out from pills. It cost me $100 to get the guy to come back for a damn flip phone. For a BlackBerry, that shit's barely worth $100. Damn, we're going way back. Well, I'm glad you made it. I'm glad you're in the heartland of America yet again. You can't. Go to the bi-coastal corners of America. For some reason, you got to stay. I got to touch. In the middle, like Jimmy. Yeah. Yeah, you in the middle, no Jimmy. Stay in the middle, no Jimmy is too good. Yeah, what were we saying yesterday? Our good friend Cho was like, when you said spread. why did you say pause after that yeah he tried to get you i was like he tried to get you caught up he tried to get a screenshot you know what i mean he tried to get you saying something is that what you think he was doing he's trying to he was baiting me i think he was messing with us and was going to take whatever he could get you know he threw his line in the water and hoped for a bite i think he genuinely didn't put it together which i guess is that his way of of not virtue signaling but just like innocence signaling like oh my brain

It's just so clean and pure. Yeah, he loves it. Oh, I just look at cute Korean animal babies on Instagram stories. I don't know what you guys are talking about with gay sex. I've never heard of that. I didn't know that you could spread some booty cheeks open. I didn't know that legs were spreadable. I thought it was just almond butter. I thought it was just my gochujang mayo was the only thing spreadable I've got. Not to turn racial. But, yeah, I'm back in Glendale. It was nice to go on my morning walk with Bean and, you know. The streets are smelled with that familiar scent, not of the cum trees, but of the eight-year-old children wearing cologne permeating my entire... You're saying... I can smell these kids from... You're going through duty-free collecting some bottles? I mean, these are little nerdy children with the Hugo Boss vest pulling the backpack on wheels. They are years and years and years away from their balls dropping and hitting puberty, and they are blasting the clown, every single one of them. That's really funny. And honestly, it makes me feel at home. It's comforting to me. It's really funny and cool. And now that I'm thinking about it, I feel like I had a polo sport at middle school probably. Yeah, sure. But I guess that in Glendale they started a little younger. Much younger. Yeah, a boy becomes a man quickly here. It's a tribal mentality. Yeah, that's what they say about Glendale, famously. That's what they say. I mean, if we have any sign that you're too weak and you're not going to make it, we've got to cut our losses. I don't know what they do with their unwanted here in Glendale. You haven't found that part of the dump yet when you're taking your recycling, but you're looking for it. Your eyes open. There's a lot of good programs where we can get at-risk youth into the vape store, and they can do security there, inventory if things are looking up. You know, it's nice. Did you see your girl Lana Del Rey on the cover of W, Stephen Mizell? Let me pull it up right now. I know you told me the name of her album, which is something that, you know, from a Gucci Mane mixtape, right? It really is. It really feels like Atlanta golden era DJ drama mixtape. Lana Del Rey's new album is called Stove, which is somehow.

the most hood and the whitest thing she could call it it's a real it's a it's a genius move what do you think the origin of that title is uh i think it's as simple as i like to cook on my stove for my husband i think you think so yeah i think it doesn't i don't think it i don't think it requires much more of a deep dive it's kind of a surface level but you know what How cool would it be if when I finally write my cookbook, if it was called stove? And it's just like, what is it about? It's like a bunch of recipes. It's for stove cookery mostly. I mean, she's taking stove. You could say oven. You could say flat top. You could say, I mean, there's a million other. Yeah, I wouldn't want you to do microwave recipes. But if it came down to it, you know, microwave. Or worse, induction burners. Oh, not induction. Sorry. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What kind of queer cookery is that? Yeah, I'm looking at the cover right now. The peak of chic, Lana Del Rey. She's looking good. There's a nice Prada dress. The baby blue is contrasting things nicely. We're getting the Prada hit on the bottom right corner. It could be a Prada special. Who knows? And she's kind of looking at the camera directly into your soul a little bit. She's got that one. It's not a lazy eye, but it's... It's not wonky, wonkalicious, and I'm okay with it. I love it. Great cover. I really, really like it. Stone in. You know I'm not a huge Lana head, but I do love her position in the zeitgeist and pop culture. I think she's an important figure. I just don't ever listen to the music. I like her position, too. You feel me? Don't listen to me. I'm just a dog trying to get a bum. Okay, yeah, looks good. Looks good. I like the album Stove. Hopefully we'll be able to get Lana finally on this podcast. Oh, hi, Dad. That's definitely not going to happen, but I... Why not? She don't do shit like this, bro. She don't slum it like this. She ain't even done Marin. She ain't going on Smartless. She ain't going on Amy Poehler's podcast. She don't play those games. Chris, she is a slumstress. Most of her moves are slum.

Yeah, but they're fake slum, not actual slum. Their performative slum is going to 700. Are you calling her vows of marriage performative? Yes, 100%. Not performative, but I think it's like a... We've talked about this before. It's like a Bowie. She's in a phase. You know, she's playing a character, and that character will change. We've seen it happen a few times. I don't think she's not in love. I just think it plays into the whole thing. So she's going to drop him for the next album cycle? This is her swampy stardust? It's just going to be for a three-run cycle? I think the most she'll do is a barstool. I could see her doing a barstool. Or like a Theo Vaughn. If she's really going to play the character, if she's really going to lean in, barstool, Theo Vaughn, Max. I'd like to hold out a little hope that there's an off chance that if she even does know what a podcast is or would ever listen to them, I think there's a 7% to 15% chance she likes us and would do it. I don't think she's ever heard of How Long Gone or is aware of it at all, but I will still give it a 7% chance. Even though the amount of times we've been surprised by a VIP artist in the world who reveals to be a listener of the show. That's happened enough times where I would say there's a chance. But you're still pessimistic, which is something we should. I think I'm rightfully pessimistic based on her output. I'm not saying it's because of her level of fame or whatever. I'm saying that her disinterest in all things like this is leading me to this decision. This isn't. So you're saying she'll sooner do a Blackbird spy plane. report than a conversation with us yeah i i would say that but unless there is there a is there a right wing blackbird spy plan is there like a does tucker carlson have a sub stack i think it's us okay got it um what what we were we were sharing the little article yesterday we got to talk a little bit of mess uh shaluma naughty the shaluma naughty mess of the dark truth about club

Yeah, I don't care, really. I just don't think it's that interesting. And also, it's a classic Daily Mail bait-and-switch of pay your 99 cents, and we're going to tell you stuff that you can find other places, but it's going to be written in a tone that is meant to boost SEO, not reader enjoyment. You know what I mean? Yeah, luckily, the cost... is low enough to where you're like, ah, you got me again, Daily Mail. I'll see you again in four to seven months versus, like, this is some horseshit. You know, 99 cents is fine. Oh, don't worry. There are plenty of real stans on Twitter that had screenshot the whole thing. Thank God. In case you didn't know how to use archive.is. Yeah, yeah. But I don't, I mean, I think it's kind of just sad. If I'm being honest with you, like, I think it's just, like, pathetic standom when you're an adult feels. worse even though it's funny i guess i guess i didn't she kind of looks like uh like gail like oprah's gail she does look similar to gail and she's like 58 something like that it is odd for her to choose talking about and posting photos of this young boyish man you know to make that your life's work it doesn't feel sexual at all to me Which is even more weird. You got to worry about those ones the most because they're hiding something. No, exactly. She wants to smell his socks. She doesn't need to. And that's not sexual. It's not sexual at all until he's safely secured in the dungeon. Exactly. Then things take a turn. Before we talk to our guests, we should also congratulate tennis player Nike athlete Carlos Alcaraz on finally getting a good haircut. Yes. Make some noise for Carlito. He looks great. The shaved head is what we've been calling for on How Long Gone for years. I predict now that his head is cleanly shaven, he's going all the way, Jason. He's taking it this year. That's my prediction, and I'm willing to hit DraftKings. Yeah, I mean, a brave choice.

for selecting the number two tennis player in the world to win the U.S. Open, who's won many, many slams already. Hey, man. That's an offshoot. I mean, the odds of that happening are, what, one to one? One to one, but still, I'm putting my neck out there, okay? And I don't want to... No, but you're right. He's got a sleek battle-style haircut, also the beard trim. He looks... It's because he's smashing... 70% less Neanderthal. He's smashing that British baddie, and he knows he's got to get his look right or she'll leave him. Who's the British baddie? You got a little clean then, eh? Emma. What's her name? Emma the... Oh, Emma... Emma... I can't say it. I can't say her name. I can't say her name. Is he really tapping? That's the rumor. I mean, tennis love is just so... kind of dorky and innocent god well they have to under they can only date each other because no one understands them you know what i mean okay all right we got some guests today um soul wax legendary uh my favorite belgians um are a duo of brothers they're they hail from the beautiful town of ghent jason a place that i have not visited i'm sure you haven't either they are also known as too many djs um i'm sure jason has crossed paths with them as many many times over the years actually no not really but you know Really? Similar circles. Okay. All right. Well, I'm looking forward to talking to them. I think it's going to be a nice one. They've been around for a very long time. Oh, yeah. Legends in the game. Great guys. An honor to speak with them. And they have a new album coming out in October, I believe. So let's give them a jingle. All right. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable, and they're just easy but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated.

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Well, podcast. We got ourselves a reader, huh? No, it's a very nice setup. Is this in the studio? This is in the studio, yeah. This is the library, and this is where we have food. This is like the break room. You relax after a hard day. You go back and listen to a demo. This is the podcast room. This is the only podcast room. Every function. You have done how many podcasts? Four? It's a big undertaking just for the pod, and you usually do it at the resident advisor office or something, so your commitment to the game is very impressive. It's pretty good. Yeah, I was listening to you guys on the RA podcast, and I felt bad because everyone's microphone kept stopping and not working. You would think that for a DJ podcast, there would be 11 guys in the room. adjusting the knobs all the time, but no, I guess not. Wait, are you dissing too many DJs? I'm not dissing you. I'm dissing Resident Advisor's podcast production ability. Are you dissing too many DJs? I would never diss too many DJs. No, we have too much respect for the OGs, but this size of this room is making me think that Belgian real estate is more affordable than I thought. That's a very good point. Actually, it's debatable now. But we built this very much. Can I ask you guys a question before we started? We've started quite a long time ago. This is an open convo. Ask away. You can ask anything you want. So where are you guys? I am currently in Kansas City, Missouri. But I live in New York. And Jason is in Glendale outside of Los Angeles, California. Do you know Glenn? I do know Glenn, yes. I do know Glenn. Why did somebody say Glendale? You go, do you know Glenn? Well, I think you answered your own question. Yeah, but I don't know. No, I had a feeling you were going to – Glendale is famous for a lot of things, one of them being a Korean photographer from the blog house era who grew up in Glendale, and I've been friends with him for a long time. I used to throw a party at Cinespace with Steve Aoki back in the day.

We may have crossed paths before a few times. Have we met? Me? I think so. We haven't had a dinner and hung out, but we've probably met in a green room a couple times over the years. You haven't gone back-to-back or broke bread, but you've met before. Maybe we have had a beer at Hard Festival or something, but never a hard cruise. Okay. No, we've never done a hard cruise. Wait, we have. No, we've done a friendship cruise. Oh, okay. What? That's the opposite of a hard cruise. Yeah. We got asked to do the cruise that we always said no. And then there was a friendship one, I think. I don't know. And Dave, guys, by the way, shows our age. But we went on the cruise, Dave and me. We were both wearing a suit. And a lot of these kids came up. It's like, guys, you're on the wrong cruise. The one to the Bahamas. The adult singles mixer cruises on that one. They're like uncles, really. I'm sorry for excuse my ignorance, but what is the friendship cruise? I'm not familiar with this sect. That was, I think, when the hard cruise stopped. I think, what's his name? Gary, who did the hard? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had another one called Friendship, and it's all his friends. And the lineup where we went was... It's just called Friendship, like ship. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm so stupid. It's a double entendre. No, no, don't beat yourself up about it. It wasn't an evangelical thing where we... The lineup was kind of amazing because it was a lot of our friends who said to us, you guys really have to do this. It was Alex Boisnoy, Pedro was there, Marauder did it. Our good friend Maroder. They're like, oh, you think you're better than Giorgio Maroder? You don't want to come on the boat? It would take Maroder back-to-back set to get me on a fucking cruise, I'll tell you that. But sorry, go ahead. Wait, who else was on this cruise? Danny Days was on it. And they were like, I said, it's only two, three days you should do this. And to be fair...

I never want to go back on a cruise, but that was actually fun. I was going to say, I can't think of a dollar amount that would get me on a cruise. But I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm just saying I haven't thought about this very much. We thought the same thing. But it was just being on the boat with friends that maybe also, this is maybe six, five years ago, we got to an age where we don't really, there's a bunch of people that we used to see every weekend. It sort of changes a little bit. And then this was a good opportunity to see them again without... Being able to escape. I don't know if I could... I mean, this is a podcast, but I'm an idiot. But I'm going to show you a picture of just that. It was really well. How well we fit it in. I think it's one of my favorite pictures of my brother, by the way. This is literally... We opened the elevator and this was the picture. Damn, that is a lot crazier than I thought. I'll describe the photo. So you are wearing, it seems to be a nice kind of Dijon sweater, maybe. Dave's wearing just a sweater. Beautiful sweater, hairs combed nicely, and then you're next to what I would describe as a Latino man in a psycho clown costume. Who was a really big fan. Oh, what? I mean, look, there's a silver lining here. At least he fucks with the music. It's easy to make fun of it. But in the end, I could see that both Alex and Pedro and all these people, all our friends, they really loved it, man. They did it during the breakfast. They went to some kids' room. It was really... I think if you're a fan of that music and those artists, yeah, I can understand why. It's easy for us to make fun of it. There's something we should say is that the ship holds, I think, about... 4,000 people. But then there's another 2,000 people who work on the ship. The staff. Yeah, staff. So what we thought was really... And there's a guy who's like the MC. Did you call it an MC? Like the guy who announces stuff. Yeah, that works. Was that the special guest of honor, Dita Von Teese? Yes.

Is that at every Heartfest thing? No, no. What a twist. I happened to pull up the flyer, the lineup of the one, the friendship, Maiden Voyage, December 2018. 18. Guest of honor, Giorgio Moroder, with special guest, Dita Von Teese. I don't know what she was doing out there, but it sounds like she did a good job. She did a good job. She did a great job. Okay. But anyway, so while we were on the cruise, they kept telling us that we couldn't really... We can interact, but like we couldn't. You can't fuck the staff. We get it. No, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's also not what we meant. That's also not what we meant. But I think half of the, I mean, most of those people. All the people in the staff, they all come from Haitia. They're all from the Caribbean. And they go in there for like six months. And there's a whole city underneath the crew. Anyway, the MC tells us about it. Like there's a jail in there. And there's a whole, you know, because you're on the international watch. This, by the way, this conversation happens because Dave and me, we wanted to come on board with fruit. And with wine that we liked. And it was taken off of us because we're international waters. You can't take it on the boat. And then we started asking questions. There's a jail here and there's a blah, blah, blah. So we started. So when we asked the MC about how it all works, below deck there's a whole city of people. And they have their own club. But we thought, hey, wouldn't it be great if we went and DJed for them? We went and played. In their club. And the guy was like, oh, they would love it. They were amazing. So, Petro, Danny Daze, Dave and me. I think Alex, Boys Noise. We go down, and literally, it's like, it's a bit like going, it's like a huge tour bus. I mean, it's like, and it's like a whole other game, and it's like, I mean, they go to this club while smoking. It's like a dive bar. A dive bar. A dive bar, and they set up decks. for us. And the guy comes in and does the big announcement like, the big international DJs are coming to play for you guys. And we start playing and it's nothing. Zero. They're all just giving us the stare. They're barely even looking up from their beer glass. They're like, what are you guys? They're not big fans of minimal techno, electro remixes. They don't listen to that kind of music. We were trying to do our best, all of us.

everyone were trying and then I think at some point Danny Days was like he's like fuck this fuck this and then he just puts Rihanna on and the place was nuts yeah and then we all start playing Danny has a lot of experience in the you know in the Miami club so he knows he knows how to get the little Caribbean flavor going shine bright like a diamond okay but it was kind of like a feedback on the ground kind of it was but it was kind of amazing and after that By the way, after that episode, we started interacting with all these people. And it was kind of amazing because I think those two worlds came together. So the whole cruise thing was a bit of a, yeah, it was a weird episode in our career. Yeah, because you played some, I'm sure you played some fucked up places at fucked up times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. We once did a porno boat. Yeah, oh my God. What do you mean by porno boat? It's an accident. Okay, say no more. Yeah, say no more. No, I would like you to say more, actually, if you could. I think there's got to be good... Do you get to fuck the boat? Or is the boat fuck you? Or is people on the boat? Was anybody else DJing other than you that we would know? Okay. Errol, Dave and me, and Sabrina. Do you guys know Sabrina? Did Sabrina reach the U.S.? No, no. She's like a... Italo House. Italo House icon from the 80s who had a song for boys, boys, boys. Boys, boys, boys. Very sexy. And she was doing a performance. Love that song. So she was performing. She was performing. She makes sense for the sex cruise. Exactly. More than Errol Alton. More than you guys. No offense. No offense. I mean, I don't know. You guys could be a couple of shaggers for all we know. But yeah, Sabrina is a great boys, boys, boys. Love that. And hot girl, I think. Go ahead. Just so you know, this is about 20 years after the hit. So it's like, actually, the party's called Ex-Pornstar. And it's like, it's... We'll call it the porno book. Sex positive? I don't know. Yeah, it was all about... The sex cruise was sex positive. Thank you for your maturity and switching that up. I appreciate that.

Thanks for rectifying that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so you open for Sabrina. Everyone's waiting for Sabrina, but they'll sit through you guys. Are you playing horny It's Hollow House with moans in it and stuff? No, no, we were just doing our thing. Play some common moccasin remixes for these horned up songs? But then they had a lot of strippers. They had a lot of strippers, and they started getting people out of the audience. There was a male stripper, but there was also a... A cavorting penis doll? Like a guy who was in a penis doll and dancing to the music. You're saying there's a man dressed as a penis and he was dancing to your music. How long is this podcast? One hour. We have a full hour and this is exactly what we want to talk about. As long as you need it to be, daddy. Were you able to bring in your own wines from your home cellar for this particular party? No, no, no. But I'll tell you what the thing is. I think both Errol, Dave, and me, we were DJing and the male strippers were in front of us dancing and asking women to come on stage and they would do their act. But we were facing them. Not the audience. So we saw everything that happened. I think, I think Errol David and me being three indie kids. That wasn't really our world. You were like, oh, what is going on? You were scandalized by these sex acts being performed while you were trying to bless the crowd with some of your music. You can put it so much better than I. It sounds like a real, I feel like, yeah, you kind of knew what you were signing up for. Yeah, but you have such a collection of vinyl and your interests go all over the place. You'll DJ a Motorhead record or whatever. Both only. When you were pulling vinyl for the sex cruise, it's been a long time, but are we getting prints? What are we doing? I don't remember. It's 2002. I don't think the guys who organized it, it wasn't like a cheesy kind of thing. It was cool. It was kind of cool. It was with the wink of an eye. We were just doing whatever we were doing.

Our music is not really the soundtrack for a sex cruise or porn. So we were playing. Hey, don't limit yourself. Depends on what kind of drugs they're using. Depends on what kind of drugs they're using. I know we were playing The Rapture and all this kind of stuff. The Rapture famously gets my penis the opposite of erect. Fun to dance to. Love them. It's good. I was talking about House of Jealous Lovers two days ago. And I was sending it to a friend being like, do you remember how good this is? And then I went down a DFA hole and felt like I'd done cocaine. And it was two in the afternoon on a Saturday. That made me do cocaine. It was good. Overall, it was good. They made me. It wasn't my choice. I was forced. Are you guys wine collectors? Do we have a cellar? Is this serious business for you? No, we're not serious. We are wine amateurs. Speaking of DFA hole. It's not a conversation between four of us. This is whatever, like 15 years ago. through James Natural Wines, that we've become just, you know. Actually, Dave, for my birthday, gave me a sommelier course, a private sommelier course by a guy that we knew. And the guy used to come to our flat in London. And it started off with just me. But then I was doing blind tastings and they had all these bottles up. And he's like, you might as well get your brother involved and other people. And it ended up being a table of people. And we all ended up doing this course because. I mean, we were drinking wines, but we didn't know what we were drinking, where it came from. And so you kind of like, you don't have an, you don't have like an alphabet. You don't have any words or there's no. And so we learned a little bit how to do that. We got into it. And I think a lot of the. natural wines that we liked and stuff it's a bit like records you know there's only a guy making 400 there and so we got really into it well i feel like that's that's disrespectful to your beer drinking culture in history but that's crazy we're the maybe the only two belgians who don't drink that's crazy because we don't drink beer wow i mean i'm do you think something happened to you that turned you off during your childhood or is this just they're just kind of like anarchy vibes you know maybe maybe it's the

I think it might be a cultural thing that beer drinking, I don't know, I don't want to be the amateur psychologist here, but it does have sort of a connotation of Belgian culture that when we were kids, we were maybe trying to escape. Kind of like how some of our really good, hippest, trendiest friends are into cycling. Of course. Well, and this is not to age any of us, but once you reach a certain age and a certain level of income, the long distance cycling as a hobby becomes much more attractive. So for us, it's always a connotation with a culture that we never really thought. Because in Belgium, it's like you're... uh basketball maybe yeah yeah yeah can i follow something yeah oh really it's it's it's the second biggest thing after like cycling here is like yeah people yeah and now it's become like a a global thing and you see all these people from australia everywhere friends of ours going like yeah i'm just did like 40 kilometers on a second bike and you're like great not really our vibe super cool super cool all right so So you've rebelled against your homeland, it sounds like. Are there some Belgian foods, at least, besides french fries? French fries, yeah. Come on, guys. Waffles. No. There's no snobbism against those. Those are the best. What about mayonnaises? The mayonnaises of the world. Are we a snob there? All of them great. Equal opportunity employer. I like that about you. Okay, well, when you were younger, like Chris and I, when we were in high school age, teens and stuff like that, we were like straight edge hardcore guys rebelling against beer drinkers as well. Did you have any of that kind of straight edge punk rock energy to you when you were younger? No, I think in the way we rebelled, like it wasn't really rebelling, but when we were that age and started to make music,

Here in this town, and specifically in Ghent, it was kind of where in this part of Western Europe, dance music and electronic music was huge because of a few things. One is that there was this start of... uh the four day weekend where people would like they would all be all these clubs on the highway and people would come from well i think all these germany documentaries about new beat and hardcore and stuff like that all that stuff is very much where we where we grew up and everyone around us was into electronic music and i think we rebelled against it like dave said by being into caius and monster magnet all these bands and that was kind of our vibe and Monster Magnet. Yeah, I wasn't expecting a Monster Magnet today on today's show, but I think that's really interesting. I think for us, a Monster Magnet, those kind of bands, because I'm talking 90, I don't know when, 92, 93, when all that stuff happened for us, I think we were like, guys, and people were like, why, you know, using a sampler? Is he not releasing this record on RNS? And we're like, no, we're going the other way. But the irony is that we... like ended up doing the other thing and also that we were like so many of the what would now be seen as big players in that field and it's like no world were people that just knew or just you know it's a small town and so it's not that we were rebelled against it as in like oh we hate what they're doing it's just that it's a natural thing i think when you're 17 totally totally yeah you just don't want to do what everyone's doing Yeah, I mean, I didn't want to be going to church. I didn't know any electronic musicians, but I still found a way to rebel. Wasn't there a big metal scene in Belgium, though? Yes. Like a lot of black metal and that kind of thing, right? Not black metal, but more like there was a band here called Ostrogoth. I do think Belgium has always been this weird little small country that's squeezed in between Germany, France, Holland, and the UK. And in a way,

a bit like Switzerland, I think, and Canada, because people speak three languages in it. It was just a really, really great place to be in the middle of a lot of stuff. And it just absorbs and then creates these weird things. And in a way, for a population of 9 million or 10 million, it's pretty amazing what all the cultural stuff that's happened here. But we've always been good in subverting these big things, you know, or being the place where... I'm going to give a really bad example, but like for U2, I think one of the first big gigs was in Belgium, was in Ireland. And then it started here. And then the company that does all their show stuff is Stages up until today is a Belgian company. It's always been sort of hidden in. It's been the first place people to go to. I mean, fashion-wise. Sounds like the Glendale of Europe, I will say. Sorry for interrupting you, Chris. I mean, fashion-wise is what I think of, first and foremost. 100%. You're right, though. It's a lot of output for such a small place. Insane. In a way, if you look at it, it doesn't make sense. But it's also because you go 40 minutes to the left, 40 minutes to the right, 40 minutes to the back. You're in another country, another culture, another language. And you would pick up on all those things when you go. That's amazing. Not go to school alone, but if you put TV on or radio, it's easy to hear another language or to hear another sound or to see that there's another culture going. Hardcore, you could tell that people were coming from the northern part of France. There was a specific scene, but there was also a psychobilly scene. There was a lot of stuff happening, and they would be all around you. You could easily go into it and be like, like this. And a lot of those genres submerged into some more popular techno or stuff like that. Was that too serious? This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned.

They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Hi, Talk House Network listeners. It's your old friend, Nels Klein from Wilco here. Wilco is touring this summer, and we'd love to see you somewhere on the road. We're playing shows this June and July in Rochester Hills, Michigan, Chautauqua, New York, Lafayette, New York, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Vienna, Virginia, Forest Hills, New York, Portland, Maine, Tulsa, Oklahoma, Memphis, Tennessee, LaGrange, Georgia, Charleston. South Carolina, Virginia Beach, Virginia, Wheeling, West Virginia, and Columbus, Ohio. Plus, there are even more dates, some with Willie Nelson that I didn't even mention here. So please go to wilkoworld.net to see the full list of dates. We'll see you on the road this summer. Study and play. Come together on a Windows 11 PC. And for a limited time, college students get the best of both worlds. Get the Unreal College deal. Everything you need to study and play with select Windows 11 PCs. Eligible students get a year of Microsoft 365 Premium and a year of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate with a custom color Xbox wireless controller. Learn more at windows.com slash student offer. While supplies last, ends June 30th. Terms at aka.ms slash college PC. No, no, no. I've always wanted to go to Belgium. I'm envious. Yeah, I've always wanted to visit Belgium because I haven't been there. And I always, I just find, I don't know, it feels nice and like an easy place to visit. But did you guys ever leave? Have you ever left or have you lived there your whole lives? Oh, no. Up until the pandemic, we lived in London. It's always so easy. Like I was saying, the commute from here to London is...

Door-to-door, it would have been like two minutes, two hours and 20 minutes if you go to the world to get on a Eurostar. So it's not – it's in the middle of everything. That's why I was going to go is because you could take the Eurostar. That was my whole thing. I was like, where should I go where I can take the Eurostar from London or Paris that's that close and I haven't been? That was part of my thinking. That's like me. I can get to Coachella from my house in that amount of time. The culture just gets worse. Wait, there's a Eurostar? There's a Eurostar from Glendale to the culture. It's my Euro car, actually. You can take a train there or a helicopter. Yeah, you've probably taken a helicopter. We have to take cars. Well, speaking of fashion, guys, I know you've done a lot of music curation for fashion shows for Drees and some other ones. I was just watching a video where it looked like you had Smashing Pumpkins tonight, and you were adding some... 16th hi-hats on it and i was it sounded like a really fun thing to to create when you're in the business of creating serious dance music and then thoughtful remixes for cool people is it like a weird playground to do the fashion stuff or like just do some dumb crazy weird shit specifically with with those the ones that like we worked with other people but specifically the ones that we've done for at least most of them what was amazing is that we um i don't know if you know but like Generally, fashion soundtracks, they used to tend to have like four or five songs badly mixed into each other. And it'd be always a bit like... But with Dries, what was really cool is that he would be open to us saying, hey, why don't we just take one song and build the whole thing around it? And make that into a 12, 13 minute thing. And then we would go and ask the artist or the label for stems. And then we would build completely new versions. And we did that with... Smashing Pumpkins, but we did it with Bowie, Proxy Music. With the Sade one, which was really weird. We did some really good... Hold on, y'all are telling me that all these motherfuckers gave you the stems just because you asked? Yeah. Okay, big dick swinging. Do you have to pay Sade to get the Sade stems? We didn't have to pay the day after. Somebody did something. Somebody might have, that's not our responsibility. Somebody agreed to a dollar amount.

where that would be okay, and we all amicably got there? I think in a lot of cases here, it was down to either being Dave and me doing it for them, which was good, and also the fact that it was Dries, they liked the clothes. Yeah, I was going to say, that helps, that helps. But in the case of Bowie, I think we did like a Heroes 12 years before, and then for Dries' last show... We ended up doing Sound and Vision, and the estate was super nice. They were like, yeah, yeah, if it's you guys, great. Who did you do Heroes for? Or what was it? Oh, Patrice. Patrice as well. Okay, okay. That was amazing because the Bowie was still alive at that point. And we got given, they brought the master, the multitrack, in like a case to our flat. Whoa. And it was all like, and he couldn't use it online at that point because Bowie's like, you can only use it for the show in Paris and that's it. And so, yeah, we still have it here. But it was amazing to do as well because I think the other part is as music fans, like you were saying a little bit, the fact that Roxy Music or you get the stamps of something like Eden's Smashing Pumpkins and people go, here, have fun with it. It's almost a bit like music history because you can listen to how they were mixing things. I think it's the thing that we really love. Do you ever feel like it's a bummer that this music is just going to be played at a fashion show one time and then that's it? Or that's beautiful about it? Yeah, that's nice. In fact, it's the ones gradually over the... I don't know. 16 or 17 years that we have been doing some random fashion stuff, the industry has changed so much for it to be so online focused. And it's kind of nice that stuff only exists for that day and that's it. And they are very different than remixes because if we do a remix, a soul wax or something, we would do it a little bit out of self-interest because we could DJ them. So there's an economy for them to live.

You want people to dance to it or to react to it. And I think what was cool about those things in fashion was they weren't made for people to dance, but it was as a soundtrack to an image, to a culture. And that was really exciting to do because it came from a different point of view. Wow, we've really turned the corner from the corner. No, no, I mean, you guys contain multitudes. I mean, that's the whole, I think that's the thing. We're going to steer the ship back there before we finish, don't worry. Yeah, actually, I DJed a fashion show a couple months ago or a couple weeks ago in Copenhagen. Oh. And I really feel like Ableton Live has really created a way for anyone to create, you know, a 12-minute long, super crazy song. He had all these songs and there's like a hard techno song playing. And then it went into Tom Petty learning to fly at the very end. Nice. And like the acoustic strumming was right on the kick. And I was like, this sounds so fucking stupid. Like they wrote, like you can't do this to Tom Petty. And then by the time the transition ended, I was just like, you know, take my shirt off. Just like, ah, like it was so good. So we're offended. Nah, don't touch. At first I was like. You know, imagine hearing for the first time just like a crazy techno kick and then like ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. It was, I have to say, I'm not an expert like the three of you, but even I was skeptical, and he's right. When it hit, it hit, and it did work. It was a plane that didn't look like it was going to land, but it landed beautifully, and it was cool. You know, the 300 people in this room got to experience it. I'm the only person who has thoughts on it. What was the brand's name? Sunflower. But it's funny because I also feel like Tom Petty is the most American. I feel like a lot of Danish people in that room did not know that song, which makes it even better, how good it was. That's cool. But that's kind of the genius of a lot of these things. I mean, it's not just about fashion shows, but I think DJ sets as well.

It's kind of nice when you can catch somebody's attention or turn it around. Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Win a crowd over. Win those Haitians over eventually, thanks to Rihanna. Or clear the moon. After three hours of banging your head against the wall with your own music, you just put on some Rihanna and everything can be fixed. Exactly. A couple questions about stems. Do you have any stems? Can I have access to your Dropbox? No, no. MP3 is fine. I don't even need the eighth. Okay, so are there any stems that you've received that you just haven't been able to crack? Like, we've tried to remix this. It's just too powerful, too intimidating. We've never been able to do it. There was one that we tried to do remix for a bit. It took us a really, really, really long time. I don't remember. Which one? The Arcade Fire one. Arcade Fire. That's them asking us to do a remix. I thought you meant something more. No, no, no. Look, anybody doing anything to make Arcade Fire better, I think, is a noble cause. And I'm sorry that you guys couldn't complete it. No, but you loved the song. I'm joking, I'm joking. The song was really great. And I just, I don't think we've ever spent so much time on it. We just couldn't get it. And then when we got it, we were so happy. We were like, oh my God, this is great. We got some and they loved it. So it was good. But I'm just saying like sometimes it's not as, I mean, it doesn't come as easy as people always think. You just have to. But also sometimes it's just a matter of time. Like when you asked that question, I just remembered that we have the stems for this song that we think is amazing. And we just haven't done it yet. Rita Mitsuko. Yeah, this stuff that we have and we still haven't. Thank you for reminding us. No problem. Okay, well, second question about stems. Now that people are able to use AI technology to extract stems from any song in the world, as two people who have been digging for crates.

stems, getting master files, reel-to-reel tapes, all this crazy shit, doing it the right way with all analog equipment, no bullshit, no laptop stuff. Do you have any thoughts on the ability of being able to get stems that sound good enough nowadays? Well, that's the thing. So the key word is good enough there because if it works good enough, we would be doing it all the time. We would want the stems to all these records that we love just in our experience. It's always just not good enough. And by just not good enough, do you mean sound quality? Just sound-wise. The way it isolates. It's kind of like wine. Most wine is good enough for most people. You have a palette for stems and audio quality that is more advanced and it just simply is just not good enough. My word's not yours. We have a palette for stems. You do. By the way, great sweatshirt. Great sweatshirt. A palette for stems could be the name of the next album. I mean, that's really poetic. What's the other one? DFA holes. That made me do cooking. Okay, let's say a band sends you the stems for a song. And there's like 377 files. One of them is an eight-minute-long file with one shaker for four seconds panned all the way to the left. You're never going to use it. How do you consolidate? What do you do when you get the king-size 11 gigs worth of stems? It's exactly in those files. that the gems are to be found. Yes. We did one. Oh, it's so fast there. Yeah, we did one for... We did one for You Make Me Feel. Mighty Real. Mighty Real Sylvester track. We asked for the master tapes. We got the master tapes. Multi-track. Multi-track. And we go through it and we're already like, it's amazing. It's unbelievable. And you hear them playing it. And then we get to the end point and all of a sudden it just goes into a gospel version of the song.

But like the last 30 seconds. Like a previous take. So somebody had done a previous take and I was still wondering. And so after a little bit of digging, we heard that they would rehearse the track and being a gospel guy as well, they would do a lot of versions of these disco tracks. They would play them gospely or like soulful or they do a different version of it. And so, yeah, sometimes you find these things where you're like, oh my God, it's like. So crazy. Like they don't even realize they're sending you that and then you find it and you're like, yo, what about this part? So we released it and at the end of our 10 minute remix of it, we cut to that just a tiny little bit because we thought it was kind of... Yeah, yeah. That's nice. As long as it stayed in beat. For the DJ who's playing it, then that's good. But it could fuck up a lot of mixes. But it wasn't. It was less of an Easter egg and more of a quicksand pit to ruin your 10-minute blend. It goes back to the historical significance of some of these masters. When you get given these master tapes and multi-tracks, you can't. Yeah, as a music fan. Oh, this is not just as the people that have been asked to work on it. It's just you kind of go, wow. Some of it is just, some of the playing is maybe not so great as you think, but then the unit of all of them playing together in the room is just magical. Yeah, I don't want to hear some of that. Some of that shit don't need to be isolated. I know what you're saying. Some of that shit don't need to be isolated. Yeah, I think we had it with the Roxy Music one. We had a Roxy Music one, and I remember David Migo like, wow. the drums are all over the place and like not in time and normal but if you hear them yeah really yeah and then when you hear the whole thing together it makes so much sense because he was just following how the band was playing and how yeah yeah how brian was singing and they were all in the pocket together but the pocket was oddly shaped and took a lot of twists and turns why does the pocket have to be on the grid

Why does the pocket have to be in shape? The pocket shouldn't be on the good. Whenever I play the song You Make Me Feel by Sylvester, if I got the stems and I played all the parts to it, I would say, what can I do to improve? This is already a perfect song. Anything I do to it is just going to fuck it up. And then when you hear the 30 seconds of the gospel take, you're like, oh, thank God I finally have my unique way to put out a song where I don't feel. Like I'm ruining something. Correct. It's not that you guys would ever ruin it. I'm sure it did a great job, but it's an intimidating song to tackle. That's kind of the rule for us. If we don't hear that we can do something with it, then we don't. We get asked a lot to do things, and I think most of the time we say no. Not because we don't like them, but just because we were like, it's good. But you still said yes to Arcade Fire, huh? Interesting. I need to know what song it is because there's three that are good. So I need to know if it's one of those three. I'm sure. Oh, it's Sprawl 2. It's one of the good ones. Oh, Sprawl 2 is the best song. That is actually the best. That's the best song, actually. So you're fine. I'm sure I've played that song before at some point in my life. Great song. Why all the arcade fire hitting? Have you seen him play in the last five to seven years? They're having a tough time right now. We saw this amazing... There was a friend of ours who sadly died, Steve Mackey. And on his funeral... Steve from Pulp? Yeah. On his funeral, when Regine did this insane acoustic thing for his funeral, and honestly, guys... It's easy to maybe... Of course. But it was so good. I remember standing there like almost crying. We were both like so moved by it. There's something about that band that is really... Was it their own? Did they play their own song or was it a cover? Oh, they did. Yeah, but it was stuff that they worked on with Steve as well. But it was pretty amazing. I have to give it to them. And it was, that was, wow. They have a special band. They're a very special band. They're very special. They can be powerful. We were asked to DJ at the funeral.

I didn't know. I think that might be the first time I've ever. Jason, when I die, you can DJ at my funeral. I've done a lot of weddings, and you guys probably have too. What's more fun to collect? What is a more fun playlist to make? 327 2014 wedding or funeral? Which one's more fun in the record box? I know anyone else who is listening to this. I mean, there's too many things to make fun of now. But in all fairness, it was one of the hardest things we've ever done. Of course! Dave and me, we adored Steve. He was beloved from all accounts. It was the hardest DJ set. yeah yeah ever yeah but god gives his hardest dj sets to his toughest warriors and you guys are fit for the battle that's true that's true because you're like do i do how much of it is like solemn how much of it is celebratory how much of it is you know which pulp songs do you play so so his wife um who asked us i think she wanted it to be fully celebratory like she was like yeah but that's what i was gonna ask if it was like a celebration of life type thing that makes it a little easier for you. We're doing that after Jarvis does an amazing solo acoustic version of a song and then when Regine does the thing and everyone's crying and everyone in that room we know or we've... or like stuff like that and then they're like hello let's wave and like it's like and so everyone's wiping their tears and Jarvis puts the guitar back down and then you put on Robin dancing on my own and everyone's like I don't remember what we played no to be fair I think both of me and Dave we were after that we went back I think it's one of the very few times we went to our room and we were dead

Because we were like, that was the most nerve-wracking thing. And we succeeded in everyone feeling happy and celebrating and remembering Steve. But it's not something... I mean, I'd rather be in the... I'd rather be in the bowels of the cruise ship. I trust Danny Bates. I always do, especially with my crypto. I heard you talking on the RA podcast about how Robbie Williams reached out. You did a remix of his a long time ago. Nothing really ever happened with it. Then he emailed you guys saying, hey, I love that remix. Can I use it for the... for the his live tour that he's going on now have you watched his actually oh sorry go ahead he didn't say that it was for his life too he just like can i get the stems oh and we were like yeah fine all you motherfuckers do is send stems back and forth to people this job doesn't sound that hard to me good research you're just a stem agent okay so he's like hey can you send me this song of mine it's really dope and you're like yeah of course yeah and then um and then he did I don't know if we were allowed to say it, but he sent us back something he did with it. I didn't say that in the interview because I was like, maybe we shouldn't say that. Too late now, guys. You're saying to me that he took your version of his song and did something to it. I'm having a hard time following. And it's pretty amazing. Did he add vocals to it? Or is it like, what if we made a dubstep? Okay, so he didn't mess with the music. He just made a whole new song. He made a whole new song on our remix of his song. And it's good. It's actually pretty amazing. That's awesome. That's cool. I would not have expected that. I think he's amazing because we were like, wow. And also his email. Oh, I'm sure. His email was amazing the way it was written. He's a legend. This is Bobby Williams.

It's like RobbieWilliams at gmail.com and the subject is, this is Robbie Williams. You're like, yeah, I got it. Robbie420 at AOL. It was another day, but it was like, this is Robbie Williams. I remember going like, when I saw it, I was like, no, it's not. And you're like, oh, it is. Oh, it is. It is. And he wants his own song back. That's funny, right? Exactly. And here you go, guys. I made it better for you. I would have made him send a photo with today's newspaper to prove that it's really Robbie Williams. But have you guys seen his monkey movie on a flight? Not yet. No, not yet. Is it good? Everybody says it's quite good in my life. Everyone has told me that, yes, it looks insane. And it feels insane, but it's actually very good. Yeah, it is. We're behind with a lot of stuff. I mean, I know that you're too close to Robbie. It's probably weird. You have to get in the right headspace to finally watch it. But he's such a showman and such an entertainer. He sacrifices his whole life and body and mind. For everyone else, and it's beautiful to see, and I understand why he made himself a monkey, but it is weird to watch. I like his whole thing. I like his whole attitude now. I like his, like, I just got fucking veneers. I just did Ozempic. I don't give a fuck. I'm not the coolest guy in the world, but I'm going to sing for my supper. I'm rich as fuck. I see, but I'm not sure about the coolest guy. My words. Dave and me do two podcasts, and all we do is talk about Robbie Williams, which is kind of weird. I mean, well, he's having a moment. You know, he is having a moment. When do we play in pop? As a band, as Solwax. Maybe 98 or 99. It's in 1998. We play as Solwax, the band, in a Dutch festival. We're playing the main stage in the afternoon. And he was on after us, but he'd just broken big with his record. And Dave and me were always wearing these vintage suits. We walk off stage and he clocks us and comes to us. I have no idea who he is. And he stopped us and he was like, he's like, guys, I'm something like, I love what you were doing. And he takes out a business card and gives it to us. And I remember taking the business card, putting my jacket and just go to the backstage. And then when I took it out, it said, this is the certified, I really met Robbie Williams. But this is 1990. But this is 90.

98, so this is before all of this. That's why he's a legend. That's why he's a legend. You look like he's not cool, but I kind of, I remember from that moment on going, oh, this guy's having a lot of fun. Oh, yeah, he's definitely having a lot of fun. I mean, I think that there's, it's just such an interesting, I was just reading a Bob Lefset's email about Oasis in America, and Robbie Williams is very similar. Like, it just never really happened. Yeah. Like, it did on some small level. Like, there's definitely. But it never did. But not like cultural. But then from Europe it did. Yeah, but everywhere in Europe. Oh, yeah, yeah. Now that I know you guys will remix anything, I think I'm going to send you the stems of our theme song. It's a Brooks and Dunn song, so it's country. But Jason found a karaoke version to use rights-free. No pressure, but if you want the stems, I'm sure we could dig them up for you. If you want the stems. Keep it all kind of analog. Modular only, if you wouldn't mind. No samples. You're going to send them by post? Yeah, exactly. We're going to send them USPS, tariffs or no tariffs. I'll send you the karaoke file. Via the post. So this studio, have you had this building for a long time, where you are? 2015. Okay, but it feels like a place that you can't really move at this point. There's too much shit in there. And too many people. Too many things. When you say move, you mean move away from it? I'm saying this feels like this is the end. This is it. This is where you're going to work for the rest of your days because you've spent so much time and money on it. You're going to die in this podcast studio slash record hall. Exactly. You don't have another move in you. Even though other people will move the records for you at this point in your life? Yeah, I know you're just showing up in your 911 and the movers are doing everything, but it's still a lot of stuff. It's still a lot of stuff. It is. Listen, this is not the only room. Do you have a separate storage area for gear that you don't use? Oh, my God. How do you know? Off-site, though, I'm saying off-site. Yes, yes. And the outside room is next level. And it's twice the size of this building. It's twice the building. Okay. Are there people in your life, maybe a spouse or a family member who have said, you know, it's time for an intervention. Maybe, you know, we can get rid of some of this stuff and you drag your heels. But because we've kind of carefully curated whatever's in here.

No one says that. That's because we have the privilege of having the warehouse. I see where all the stuff is. You're like, my wife doesn't have to look at all my synthesizers when she comes by the studio that we keep that separate. I see what you mean. OK, that's smart. So you're you're investing in your future by investing in this offsite storage. It was never the investment. I mean, I don't know who comes up with this, but this is just hoarding. Let's just call it. Thank you. I mean, I'm just listen, we can we can. justify it to accountants and to your spouse and to everyone, but... It's just too much stuff. If you have any tips, I recently just moved and I was going through this with my spouse and she didn't understand why a 42-year-old man had a box of stickers that he couldn't let go of. Or a thousand matchbooks that I just couldn't part ways with. And you guys probably have a thousand cables where the plug is very unique. It's a brain worm. Actually, we also have a box with a love stick. See, I'm telling you. Because we're real heads because we know we're – And some of these stickers are fucking sick, though, and our wives don't understand it. I was trying to say, but the stickers are cool, and she just didn't – she wasn't getting it. She just wasn't getting it. I was on the friendship cruise, and all I got was the sticker. Exactly. I'm glad that you guys are dealing with some of your stuff. It is true. It is true. I think Dave is right. I think we curated it really well. It takes a whole ton of storage with a lot of stuff where you're like, guys, why? So how many people are, on a daily basis, if you guys are coming to work, how many people are milling around? You got engineers and assistants and the whole thing? So on a normal day, like minimum four. With us included. So it's minimum four people. But it depends on what project we're working on. And also the building is a label called Dewey. We release stuff. And so a lot of artists come in. we do a lot of stuff but if we do like grease we do it here as well and people come here and yeah there's always people like i don't think when we've made the building we have a really small kitchen we thought we were never going to cook here never going to eat here because we're like this is our workplace you know and it turned out to be

the dumbest idea because we end up sitting here with 12 people to 10 people sometimes every afternoon. Sure. When you bring the string section, all of a sudden the Deliveroo is taking up a lot of space on the counter. And it's also become a building for a lot of other people. So it's our building in a way, but it's part of the people who work here. There's a second studio upstairs where people always do demos and stuff. So it's nice. And it's also kind of having the library here, I think, for a lot of people. We think it's evident that people know who The Rapture is, but I think for a lot of young kids it's not. And so having all these records around and stuff like that... It's easy for them. They discover stuff where they go like, what were you guys thinking? Yeah, that's really nice. They're like, wow, this sucks. Monster magnet, really. What is the coffee setup at the studio? Is one of you a part-time barista? It's a very funny, funny story. I'm a no-coffee person. Okay, freak. Damn, go off. But everyone else is, right? Okay. And so I think at some point people were like, it doesn't make sense that we, you know, like you guys spent months finding the best, you know. By the way, Dave and me, I think we're really into teas. And so we buy a lot of weird teas that we find. Okay, sure. We go deep into it. But they're like, why don't you do it for coffee? People are like, if you're going to be nerds about vinyl or mixer and everything, why not go all the way with coffee? And me personally, I don't really care because I don't drink coffee stuff, drinks both. So someone who works with us on the label, she's a barista. And so she came to us and was like, you know, I know you guys like design. So she found us a really beautiful, brutalist, concrete, special machine with a grinder and everything. And we get these special beans from somewhere and stuff like that. The problem is, and it's just Dave and me, we don't know how to work that machine. Sure, sure. It's just a real tool machine to look at.

So it's not like we – but everyone who comes in goes like, oh, that's a really cool coffee machine. But we're like, yeah, but we're not – we're going to give you an espresso now. I think that's even better. Oh, yeah, that whole thing, I don't know anything about that. That's just something collecting dust. It looks really cool. It looks really cool. You can nerd out with the tea stuff though, right? I know a lot of people who get very deep in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We do and we – maybe we nerd out too much with a lot of stuff. Oh, I wouldn't go that far. Don't – I think that's how you've got to be where you are right now. and you're able to enjoy a life that you can do whatever you want and nothing that you don't except for a cruise every now and again, I think it's okay. Is this an intervention? All we said, we've had a good run, guys, but I think it's time to stop, okay? Yeah, you guys, you got all these monikers, different names. I'm confused. Like, let's just pack it in. Let's just pack it up. That is confusing. But we need that for ourselves. I understand. Sometimes you got to compartmentalize. Well, we can do these podcasts. maybe quarterly just to check in and make sure everything's running okay okay just like a health checkup i guess like any robbie williams email but dead ass if i ever come to belgium i'm coming to the i'm coming to the lab i'm coming to the lab but to be fair you will have to come with glenn so that's fine that's fine he's the only way i can get in that's he's been here before by the way he's been he's been to the mothership god bless all right well look thank you guys for joining us we really appreciate it um and uh the album is out there's a new album out very soon right yeah so no it's on october yes did you know more than us yeah yeah in october yeah all right great that's such a fun that's such a such a weird detour from uh porn books and uh coffee to be like oh the album's out in a few weeks well we have to remind people before we go that you do have an album coming out well you you you're gonna do many of your album comes out in 51 days a little early to do this press run i will say but i'm sure between now and then

You will have lots of opportunities to discuss the intricacies of the recording process and how track seven was this and blah, blah, blah. We're here to talk about cool stuff and then promote your album and that's it. Can I ask you a question? Sure. So in the beginning, when you were dissing Resident Advisor and their podcasting abilities. Yes. I like how you make it into a thing. So is there a rival? No. podcast is there a rival podcast well there's several rival podcasts i want to destroy all of our competition of course not resident resident who would be who would be the one that you hate the most hate the most i probably shouldn't say that on air but you can edit it out you can edit it well no i mean if it would probably be I think that Smartless hits us closest to home because they're doing a very similar version of what we are, but they've managed to earn $200 million from their version, and we have not earned that much. So there's a little bit of – Okay, okay, okay. But it's one of those classic situations where they don't know who we are. You know what I mean? It's one of those things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a one-sided rivalry. It's a one-sided rivalry. Exactly. Only because we do the same exact thing. It would be like if there was a huge group, you know, like Lady Gaga level, but they made music that sounded exactly like Soul Wax, and you'd be like, this is some bullshit, guys, just because you have access to whoever you want. You can get Sabrina Carpenter on the Soul Wax album. I see, yeah, yeah. But Chloe Sevigny is cooler, I will say. Yeah, I mean, exactly. Have you guys been around longer than they have? We started around the same time. Same time, same time. A lot of podcasts started and many have ended, but during COVID. We're a COVID project. We started two weeks in, basically, if that, and then it's been going from there. But it is fuck smartless on this side, unless, of course, they want to talk to us on their show, and then we'd love to come on. But no, thank you guys both for joining us. We really appreciate it. It was fun. Thank you, guys. Our pleasure. All right, we'll see you soon. Later. Bye-bye. Was that good? Fabulous. I'm going to edit it all up tomorrow, and it'll be out on everywhere. On vinyl? The white label is actually already sold out, so I'll see if I can get you a copy. We only did 300. Nice. Listen, guys, we play Portola in two weeks in San Francisco, and we do three points in Miami.

And if you guys can get the final to us, I'll play it happily. Beautiful. Yeah, I saw that. I wanted to go to Portola. We're friends with Imogene, who's putting it together with Golden Voice. So, actually, her dad, Justin, is an artist on our label. We've released this stuff. Justin's amazing, man. Yeah, he's awesome. Love the guy. All right, guys. Bye-bye. Relax and let Fred Meyer Pickup handle your grocery shopping this week. We start with only the freshest items, then choose your favorites. Carefully pack everything up and load it right into your trunk, so you can feel confident it's what you ordered. Fresh groceries, your way, with Fred Meyer Pickup and Delivery. And right now, you can save $20 on your first pickup or delivery order. Fred Meyer, fresh for everyone.