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Go back to bed, Cracky. Go to sleep. It's been a whirlwind. I'm happy to be catching up with you on this podcast platform. And I wanted to give a quick, I've been really liking Curtis's single, The Life. The song is called Grace. I was listening to it this morning and I was like, this is a, it's like, I don't know what it reminds me of. Is that a song? I just thought it was a wet t-shirt contest. I think he's doing both. I think it's a multi-use platform. So it's a party, it's a wet t-shirt contest, and it is also music. But it reminds me of something I can't place, but it's very pleasing to me. I don't know. I can't exactly. It feels like a song I would hear in a grocery store the way I would hear the Gin Blossoms or Third Eye Blind, and I would be psyched to hear it in a public place. Okay. It's just there. I don't know. It sounds like it's been there with us the whole time. Exactly. So I hit him this morning and asked for the... for the link for the full album so I could kind of digest it and get back to him. I think I have it. I'll send it to you. He got it to me. He gave it to me. I'll bless you with the flack files. Yeah, send Jason the stems if you really want to start making some noise. I don't want to speak for you, Jason. If you want some of the labels to start sniffing around, yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, but it's been great to be back on the United States of America where it was eight degrees when the plane touched down. So I kind of forgotten. like what that felt like so you left you left nordic europe to return to america and it was colder yeah and nordic europe semi-nordic nordic europe was beautiful i mean it was it was like chilly but it was like sunny you know and it wasn't i mean this was like yesterday morning i had to run some errands and it was truly like this might be unsafe you know like i was my my fingers were blue were you were you willing willing to risk life and limb to get

these roles of film developed, Chris? Of course. Oh, bro, come on now. You know I would risk it all to drop off four roles at Luster. It's nothing. It's nothing for me to die to drop off the film. Is that even a decision? I got to say, though, Luster, and shout out to the family at Luster, they're getting it back to me these days in three hours. It's pretty remarkable. It used to not be like that. I don't know if I've gotten upgraded or they just got some new employees who are better at their jobs. They're using AI technology. I ran into Kobe at Equinox yesterday. First of all, bro, Equinox on a Saturday afternoon. I thought 3 o'clock on a Saturday when it's 10 degrees outside, it would be kind of mellow. And I was wrong. It was rammed in a way because I forget about the style of guy that is hungover, has brunch, and then goes to the gym. How could you forget about me? We talk every day. No, I know, I know. But it's like they also go in packs, which I think working out with the homies is a little weird. Because I'm in the locker room, and there's all these guys talking about their big night. You know what I mean? But then I tweeted about this because I saw – I think a new – Paul's was a pellicula. These guys are not going to Paul's. They're going to a sports bar on 14th Street. But I saw a new style of guy developing. Okay. It was like a buff. He was in good shape. He did, unfortunately, have a nose ring on the left side, which he'll grow out of that, I hope. Stud or hoop? oh it was a hoop um pretty good looking guy um but he was wearing tights but they were ripped like a miris like it looked like he had yeah yeah this is dead serious so i think he'd been i can't tell if it was from like he was in great shape and he was doing some wild workout shit so i'm gonna give him props but it looked like maybe he had rolled around the floor so much or done so many like squats so he was sort of giving i've been dragged

behind a car yeah yeah he yeah the thing like i was i was like walking down the street like a car drove by caught the the side of my pants and just drug me for a couple blocks yes yeah exactly yeah and i just popped up and then he's the kind of guy who's doing stuff where he hooked the kettlebell to his foot you know what i'm saying you know exactly what i mean oh he's doing some tj's shit i like that yeah exactly exactly so i was just i was mesmerized by this guy because of course he had the the gym bag on the floor which is mind-blowing to me he changed Out of his hokas that were also beat to shit into his like proper weightlifting shoes. on the floor. Didn't do that. Instead of leaving your gym bag in the locker that's supplied to you for free, you bring the bag around with you. That's psycho. But he had so many rips in the tights and I was like, I'm sure this guy is doing pretty well for himself. He's an Equinox member. He's got to be making enough money to replace his tights. So then I started to think it must be a purpose. Cosmetic. It must be a fly look in his mind. And then I went downstairs, and there was a chick on the treadmill with fucking sunglasses on. So I was just like, I got to get out of here. Like, I got to get out of here. It's 3 o'clock in the afternoon. Where did these gremlins crawl from? It was just so strange. It was too much. Well, I've noticed at my local gym that whenever the weather gets bad, the gym is filled up. Whenever it's rainy or cold. Yeah, it makes sense. Especially in New York when it's like everyone's living in houses from the 1800s. You have no central air or heating, and it's just like – We call it in the real estate business, Jason, we call it pre-war. It kind of lets you get a little more money for it. But, yeah, I know what you mean. They're old. You've got pre-war HVAC going on, and you literally have to go to the gym just to stay warm and get a hot shower and some free water. It's tough over there in NYC. Free water. It's not like L.A. where you can just walk into your neighbor's yard and turn the spigot on if you need a sip. You know what I mean? Gone are the days. Yeah, it's different. Anyway. I'm glad you brought up Equinox, though, because I've had some journeys there as well this week. My dry spell of being cruised in the sauna.

Has been moistened. Thank God. Okay, so some fella... We bet. He nutted up and he decided to put his hand on TJ's thigh. Is that what we're looking at? Or was it more of an undressing with his baby blues? No, he used his words. Oh, he used his words? One of them was an undresser, but he was kind of... You know Tobias Funke on Arrested Development? Yeah, I'm familiar with that character. It was a fella in the locker room who was sort of giving that type of... menacing nervous energy in and around my penis area i'm sorry to hear that but the other one the other one was the ultimate like this is a this is a psa to all of our all of our listeners out there who try to have sex with people in the sauna never use this pickup line and chris has heard it too hey i like your ink yes Wow, that's kind of a throwback, actually. I haven't heard that in a while, but yes, if you have any tattoos, big, smaller, and different, it can be used as a door cracker by one of the fellas looking to cruise. Hey, sick ink, where'd you get it done? Yeah. I've actually been thinking about getting a tattoo. There's nothing better than someone saying sick ink with zero tattoos, especially when you can see almost their entire body in a steam room. I know. And this guy was married, or seemingly straight, but he was married with kids and everything, and he was really... Oh, so you were able to have a chat with him and kind of talk him out of jerking you off? Yeah. I wish you would step up. Off my dick, my friend, is what I had to sing to him. And he backed off. Now we have a bro relationship. You had to go Steven Jenkins mode? Yeah, that's right. So you think that he is straight married with kids, but in the sauna, obviously, rules don't apply. And he was kind of looking for a piece of TJ. And you, in classic TJ form, you talked to him so much that he lost his erection? Is that what you said? Well, he saw me and he was like, all right, fish in a barrel because I was the only fish in the barrel. But the stage was set for him. I likely wasn't his type, but he shot his shot. Why the hell not? Any port in a storm, as they say at Equinox. Any port in a storm. But yeah, he sort of was sniffing around and just kind of throwing out the vibe, letting me know that he goes to Vegas a lot to party.

With his friends. That's a very cool way to say that I have sex with men when I'm not with my wife. In so many words. I like that. That's tasteful. Unless he has a gambling problem, which I'm sure you'll find out in the next two weeks when you become best friends. Look, babe, I'm just going to wire him the money. I think he's good for it. I know he would do this for me. It's only $30,000. I think it's a good investment. But I also, when I was in Equinox, I discovered – you said you discovered a new person. I discovered a person who – so basically everyone knows there's like the one guy in the gym or one person who's like, you're in the best shape out of anyone here. You're clearly – Of course. You know, just like on a whole other level. And there's one person in the gym who's like that. He's really tall, like almost as tall as I am, maybe like an inch or two shorter, just like – makes lebron look lazy like insane physique you know what i mean good looking black guy and he's just kind of like cruising around doing his thing speaking of speaking of chubb and then he started doing these i was watching him doing some of these exercises and he was doing a lot of unconventional movements which you know i'm into sure of course because he's run out of the The way that Puff Daddy started having orgies because he did sex with too many women is the same. He's mastered all of the exercises, so he's decided to start doing more unconventional moves that kind of present themselves to onlookers and get you guys kind of staring because he's squawking. He's peacocking with his moves. Yeah, in the world of fitness, he reached the bottom of the pussy hole, and he had to – what do you do when you reach the bottom of the pussy hole? You climb out and say, where's the next hole at? I need to go. And he found a new wholesale. What kind of stuff is he doing? There's a lot of stuff that you would make fun of me for doing, except when he does it, it's like when Hunter does some weird thing, and you're like, okay, I don't know if I would ever do that, but then you see the muscles on his back, then you're like, oh, I didn't know humans had those muscles. So he...

How did you get this? A lot of calm, controlled, tight movements and Pilates-style holds, but he started, you know that thing where you'll hold a kettlebell by the handle, but the bell will be up? Of course, yes. You have to sort of balance it. It's much more difficult. Yes, very. He was doing that with maybe like a 35er or so, and then he was kind of doing like a lunge. squats kind of thing while doing that yeah really slow focused movement and i realized he was doing kind of like a a vogue style kind of duck walk situation wow so you think he was doing adding his own flair to the movement he was doing like ballroom kettlebells whoa okay so okay so there's a okay okay jason yeah I'm going to need you to approach the specimen and ask him to text you the routine. Because if there's ever anything that I needed to try more, I think ballroom kettlebells is something that maybe could kind of get me to come out of my shell a little bit. Well, after watching last week's episode of SNL, Bo and Yang could take a few of these because we needed a drop from him when he didn't give us one. But that's a whole other one. All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable, and they're just easy but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts.

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Yeah. Yeah. No. Okay. Well, I think I look, I don't want to rule anything out. So, but, but I would love if you could get one of the, I wouldn't share this obviously, but if you get a secret video clip, maybe just to let me see, don't risk your life. Cause it's not like this guy would be disingenuous, but of course I will do that. It seems like this guy could break you in half and I don't mean in a good way. um so i do want you to kind of be careful but like wear your wear your camo when you do this just so you kind of blend in which by camo i mean black gym shark over there in glendale just so you kind of blend in with the the surroundings and the pads i mean it's tough for me to blend in but all that's a good point i'm sorry i don't want to put i am on his radar i'm sure you are yeah when you're staring at him doing his vogue dancing i'm sure you're on his radar i couldn't keep my eyes off the son of a bitch i mean he's look he's performing in the gym those people love that shit like let's not get it let's not get it twisted are you telling me that people that do ballroom style dancing are uh thirsty for attention and adoration i you know something that we haven't talked about yet on the podcast that that i feel like uh we just kind of miss because all the travel is the is the little yachty album yes and it has been causing quite a lot of um commentary uh good bad indifferent etc The Pitchfork review, of course, was a 6.0. Meanwhile, they'll give a Taylor Swift turd 9. But I'm scared of her people as well, so I kind of get it. I think the Yachty review was right on, personally. I was talking about this with a friend, and I was thinking, somebody was like, hey, you should have the guy who wrote that review on How Long Gone. I think they'd be a good guest. It's the same thing as when somebody says, like, you know, not all cops are bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not all pitchfork writers are bad people, but you can't – you just – in this climate, you can't associate with them. No, I mean, I think that the record – I've only listened to it a couple times. I don't, like, love it or think it's amazing, but I do think it's a very cool thing for a guy like him to do because I forget that he's been –

famous for kind of a long time and he's probably like 25 at this point you know what i mean he's like 20 so i think that like that kind of experimentation at that age like really makes sense and i feel like it's pretty successful like i don't yeah like why would lil yachty not if he's gonna make something like that of course it's gonna kind of sound like tame impala because he's 25 years old yeah he didn't grow he wasn't he wasn't listening to the stuff we're listening to at 40 it's it's very different yeah he was dipping into the classic rock of Tame Impala's second album. Yeah, I mean, that's literally... I mean, it kind of makes sense. Yeah, I guess. I mean, his first... He's been around for so long, it's hard to remember that he's just that young. And some of his very first songs, when he came out, everyone would criticize them for sounding... elementary or like a nursery rhyme but in his defense he was four years old when he wrote them yeah i mean what do you yeah what he says do you're in a crib you know with the mpc it's kind of like that's kind of how it goes but yeah i don't think i'm going to listen to it i don't really care about it but the way that people got so mad about it is like kind of insane to me like i just don't like little yachty is nobody got as mad about it as coach k but that's a that's another story yeah that's yeah that's yeah this shit ain't funny yachty we're april april fools is three months away this is not cool um no but i think that the um i think that it could be a kind of thing that you know we look back at this 10 or 15 years later and all of a sudden he's a genius i think that will happen Someone will have that narrative. Yeah. I don't agree with that, but I'm saying I think that's going to happen with this because it made people so mad. You mean they'll consider this particular album to be genius or he has a genius album in him that will surface maybe in 10 years? I think they will say that this was deeply underrated and that it kind of led to something even better is my guess.

I think this will be something that's considered a step in a new direction for him. This is when it all changed. Yeah, but I mean, look, this is still, again, this isn't something I'm going to rinse, but it's still better than any Kid Cudi attempt at music with guitars. Yeah, 1,000%. In terms of music where rappers decided to pick up the guitars instead of drum machines and samples and stuff like that. Pretty great. It is done very, very well. But yeah, like you said, I don't know if I'm really going to be listening to it. per se but he worked with who's on it is aren't there a bunch of people on it i mean dev hines is on it of course but like i think there's a bunch of people yeah i mean mac demarco's on it that's right dev hines there's like three people who have been on how long gone who who worked on the album because he got because he so he i mean i just i think that's like that shows that he's a little i mean he went and found the right people you know what i mean he didn't just try to like do it him do it himself but anyway yeah i think it's uh i think it's It's an interesting layer to what we'll become. I like him as a guy. Yeah, I think he's a great personality. I didn't understand the walk from that song. That was like some Playboy Cardi level shit where I'm like, white people need to get off the internet. This song is not actually good. It's not even a song, but that's why it's good. Yeah, you're right. By the way, I saw a friend of the show, Jack Suss, posted a photo of someone with a medium-sized tequila bottle with a Casamigos bottle, but it was lean inside of it. And I thought that was pretty cool. You said a medium-sized Casamigos bottle? Yeah, not like the airport size, or excuse me, the hotel size. Right, right, right. the the medium one but not the one that you would request for uh backstage okay so it's not it's not like a back pocket flask bottle it's the it looks like the regular full-size bottle it's just dinky size and i believe it said caso walk migo i can't remember there was some sort of okay there's some sort of dumb dumb phrasing but i i just it reminded me of that song and how bad it was and every literally it was it was one of those songs that really resonated with the white graphic designer

network and and it was like oh you don't get it and i'm like no i get it it's a minute and a half of nothing um but i'm glad you got i like the the the walk it's clever but like the song isn't good the song is good unfortunately but if you're the the the energy of being the kind of guy who's going to take the time to customize a bottle of tequila to you know paint it on and say walk walk Casa Wacomigos, that's like the drug addict version of crocheting your AirPod Maxes a little cubbyhole. You don't do that. You don't have a... It has the same energy as Etsy if you have a drug addiction and you're late on child support. There was no design to the bottle. It was just a bottle with purple drink in it. It wasn't like a... So when you were saying the... The walk. That was just a caption. That was just simply the caption. Okay, never mind. Yeah, that was simply the caption. I retract my criticisms. Slander. Let the record show. The idea of bedazzling your Casamigos bottle with a clever saying that you and your homies came up with is Etsy energy. I completely agree with you. Only if I were being held captive or something like that would I waste my time. Yeah, that's what your captor would do, make you do some crafts. That's kind of a kink for your captor. It's a pain that I know all too well. We've gotten a lot of pressure this week to discuss something that I was kind of trying to avoid. How could we? I think we decided that we have to tackle this. Much like the Coachella lineup, the Golden Globe nominations, these are pulsating moments of the zeitgeist that are impossible to ignore. And look, Armie Hammer, I don't know. That's not what we're talking about today, but we can get into that. It's okay that I eat people because I was... Sexually abused as a teen. No, but he didn't eat anyone, bro. He just wants to eat them. That's the thing people got to understand. He hasn't held a human heart in his hand and controlled it with his mind. He just wants to do that. Controlled it with his mind. Honestly, I have not read that, even though I am a member of the Airmail subscription team. And sometimes I wear the hat to the gym to see if anyone will notice me. I'm actually going...

I'm going out to eat. I'm going to lunch with our airmail family this week. Oh, beautiful. So I can't wait. I have a story coming out next week in airmail as well. So it's all love. It's all love over here. Are they accepting any pitches over there right now in case Paris Review turns me down? Yeah, I mean, I think for your poetry debut, they might be interested just because of kind of your name and being connected. It's not poetry. Okay, well, we'll talk about that off air. It's philosophical, though. Okay, that's dangerously close to poetry. Even worse, right? Yeah, definitely worse. But we can discuss that. So what we've been getting pressure to talk about isn't Armie Hammer. It isn't Lil Yachty. It is the New York Magazine Etiquette Rules for Tipping Parenting Friends and Work that came out earlier this week with a terrible illustration. I kind of like the illustration. I hate the illustration. You like it because it looks like you. I was a little bit... Yeah, I was a little bit... Shiver me, Timbers. I was a little bit... Like, I was afraid to read this because I thought it was going to be some real, like, white boy, Cobble Hill, COVID afraid, you know, Bernie voter nerd shit. And it's not really. It's not that bad. But I'm sure there's some things that stuck out to you, Jason, that you kind of wanted to bring to light. Yeah, there are moments that do cover. What you were afraid of? Yeah, being like respecting people's COVID. I'm like, no, bro. We're done with that shit. But they had to put that in here. But I saw somebody say that this feels like just like this is just shots at people. Right. It's like personal shots from each writer, which I do think it is, which is maybe why it's not as bad as we thought it was going to be because it feels like pretty funny in some ways. Yeah. I mean, if you were reminded. to consider one of these etiquette rules because of somebody in your life's behavior, then it doesn't make it less a rule. But we need to just kind of rapid fire pound through them because there are so many to go through. And I could lead the way. We've got the friends and lovers section.

You don't have to read everyone's book. That's something that I do agree with as somebody who doesn't read anyone's book. No, of course not. But that's also, I don't know if that needs to be said or not. I think if you have a friend that wrote a book, you can absolutely lie to them and say it was great. And that's better than reading it, honestly. Yeah. Because if you read it, you might not like it. And if you're going to be honest with them, that's going to be bad for your friendship. And who needs that? Well, you can't lie. You can't lie because then they'll ask you. They could ask you a question about it and then you'll be on the spot. If you're an author and you ask your friends hard-hitting questions about your own book, you're an idiot. That should be the rule because that's incriminating to you. It's not a book report. Yeah, I guess that's right. You may callously cancel. almost any plans up until 2 p.m i don't really care about this one there's not really much to chew on there i just don't i mean the lube thing is all is very strange as well if you're dead if you're a dating adult you should own lube it doesn't matter slow down slow down slow down slow down what okay don't use friends as foreplay like if you're getting in an argument with your life partner yeah don't drag your friends in i agree with that completely because every time that's ever happened to me I usually have to be the one who's hurting a feeling, which I guess is okay with me. Never wake up your significant other on purpose ever. This is one I 1 billion percent agree with. What do you mean? There could be a reason for it. That seems a little obtuse to me. Obviously, there is a moment, like if you are in danger, if it is an emergency, then yeah. If somebody is there with a gun or there's an earthquake or your house is on fire, then of course. But otherwise, I think nowadays in these unprecedented times full of distraction, it's so hard to fall asleep. But what if it was just time because I need to podcast and it's almost noon? Well, yeah. If there is a time frame on something.

If you live in a house that doesn't have any rooms, then I guess I didn't consider that. If you live in a New York-style loft, this rule is different for you? No, no, I mean, I understand. Yeah, I guess if somebody is asleep in one of the same wings that you're near. Yeah, that's what I mean. I can understand why you might want to do that. Bedroom six is actually very close to the studio, so I kind of have to, you know, I just have to be careful. That's all. That's all. While on a date, if you find you're talking a lot, ask yourself, when was the last time I asked a question? I could take some of that advice myself, sure. Yeah, we definitely could. But I also think that applies to life in general. You know what I mean? I think that's any situation you're in. That's any conversation. That's one of the better pieces of advice in this extremely exhaustive list. It's acceptable to tell any kind of lie in order to leave a drink state. Yeah, 1,000%, of course. Easy. Don't really need to put that one down. If someone starts telling you a story you've heard before, you have two seconds to tell them. I agree with this completely as well. Or you just leave. I mean. But here's a good one now. Okay. Because I need a good one. These are boring. Straight people, I think they get better as time progresses. Straight people can use the word partner only when they're trying to get something out of it. I would never say partner. It makes me insane. Like we can't steal everything from gay people. Like let them have that. Let them have it. They invented it. It's their thing. Don't say that. Yeah, but I am trying to get something out of it. What are you trying to get out of it? I'm trying to make other people not like it, feel uncomfortable. Okay. I'm trying to make other people not like it. Okay, so you say it so much. I mean, it's part of your personal brand at this point. You say it so much, and you're saying to me that you're just doing that to make other people uncomfortable because you know it's obnoxious? Kind of. At this point, yeah. Okay. I only say it just to see how people react because I can learn a lot about a person to see. If they're offended by it, if they enjoy it, if they're neutral, et cetera, et cetera. The problem with it is I don't know what it – it leaves too much to the unknown. Like I don't – like it just – it doesn't answer any questions. It doesn't point you in a direction. It's such a kind of vague response to something. Like when I call you my business partner, you know.

10 years ago, I could have just said partner, and people would know what that meant. Now, I have to quantify it with business, or people would just assume, for other reasons as well, that I'm talking about my man. The business partner, that reminds me, I never understood when you have to say, this is my friend, but if the friend is a female, then you have to say, this is my girlfriend. Unless you are actually dating them, then that person is your girlfriend. But then when you're like, Oh, I'm going to go get some drinks with my girlfriends. Is that just to let you know that I'm not going to hang out with a man? Yeah. Okay, I'll take that. When another human is present, don't talk to your animal in the private voice that you use when you're alone together. Well, I agree with this one wholeheartedly. Do you agree with this one? that but do you because let's just talk about that real quick because you might agree with it but you definitely break that rule i've heard you talk in your little doggy voice many times well i most people have the spectrum they have three different voices that they use they have your okay okay your normal human voice that you're talking you have your alone private doggy voice and then you have oftentimes somewhere something in between the two where if you think i'm doing the the private doggy voice You ain't heard nothing yet. I'm simply offering you a little aperitif just to keep your whistle wet so I can operate undetected. Can I ask a question about this? I would like to ask a question about this. Why... can't you i talk to i rarely talk to dogs if i can they're fucking idiots but if i not the great not great conversationalists as you know sure but if i'm if i'm talking to a child a dog a human i'm talking to them the same way i don't know why we have devised this these separate tones and kind of uh voices for the different species i don't know why you haven't chris Because there's no reason to. If you want a child to grow up to be a functioning adult, talk to them like an adult. Not saying you have to use curse words and slang. I just mean don't go, ooh. You should be like, what's up, Steve? Santa isn't real. I'm not saying, no, no, I would never ruin Santa. At a certain point, you have to protect your child from the ills and pains of the world while their little mind is still developing. I think you can do that without having to kind of talk down to them is what I would say. Well, I don't know if it's talking down.

I mean, I don't like it. It's talking fun. You probably talk to babies and dogs the same way. Does that feel right to you? One's a living, breathing human. One is something you throw carrots to and shit's on the ground. Look, I've thrown carrots to babies, humans, and I've seen humans shit on the ground as well. And if we're factoring the dog years into the scenario, you know, my dog's 22. I'll talk to him like a grown-ass man. Okay, so your dog is stealing your Casamigos, is what you're saying. Okay, I get it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I come home, I look at the box of kibble. There was a line here. When you leave, Bean drinks some of your vodka and then fills it up with water before you guys get back, so they don't think you know? I test it. I have a testing kit. You don't think I'm an idiot? Okay, on a date, all individuals present should gently and politely compete to pay the entire bill. I think that's fair and fine nowadays. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The man should pay. No, of course the man should pay. Well, I mean, not the man, but I mean, to use a non-gendered version of that, it says if you're penetrating, you pay. Yeah, I think that's fine. But what I'm saying to you is I think that the... I plan to be pegged by someone. That's interesting. That's an interesting... Does that mean my pegger has to pay? I think that it could mean that. Riddle me this, New York Magazine. But I think that it's more... I don't understand why we still pretend. Everybody knows who's going to pay, nine times out of ten. So the faux reach for the wallet or for the Chanel is not necessary, and it's theater, and I think we need to outlaw it, to be honest. It's theater. It's theater. Honestly, you know who's going to pay. We all know who's going to pay. If you really don't know, I think you're not paying attention to the signal. Well, on the first date, you may not know. And I think you definitely may not know on the first maybe one or two dates. But also – I think those are actually – I think those are the dates where you know the most because if you're a fellow, you got to pay. Yeah. No, of course. But if you've never been on a date before, then you might not – and you don't know this person. If you've never paid a bill together, then you truly don't know. And you could get hit with the, hey, last night was so dope. Anyway, Venmo me $38.95 for your half. I mean I'm telling you what. Let's do it again soon. Yeah, but if you go out with a guy that doesn't pay –

He ain't getting a call back anyway. He definitely ain't hitting. And if he Venmo's you, then he's going to be mocked. So it's all losses if you don't pay. And it sets a precedent early and often, the way that's handled. And then if you're going out to dinner with somebody and they never look at the check, they pretend that it's not even there, let alone feign to pull out that deal to Amex. I prefer that. That sets a little bit of a... It's not transactional, but it's a precedence of like, oh, I won't be paying, just to be clear. There's just some things that don't need to change. You know what I mean? I don't need to split the bill with a chick. That's crazy. Okay, moving on. It's never too late to send a condolence note. That's for sure. I agree. Nobody argues with that, and that simply acts as a reminder to send more condolence notes, which is a thing that I've never done and never planned to do. Number 14, never send an edible arrangement. Wrong. I ate one one time and it was delicious. Their recommendation is to instead send a smoked turkey. Oh, or not only that, but also Brodo, just to send a broth to someone. Can you imagine that? Can you imagine if you sent a broth, a cup of... $12 broth to someone as a thank you. Unfortunately, honestly, that would work. Many people in our life would like that. Uh, if you sent me a broth, I would be offended. And then I would also, I would, I would be every person I've penetrated would find that to be a thoughtful gift. I mean, I just don't, I just don't think going through my holodex. I would agree with that 1000%. Moving on, it's okay to ghost after one date. Speaking of, it's okay to ghost after one date. Obviously true. 1,000%, guys. Come on, moving forward. If you ghost someone, stay gone forever. Yeah, I think I agree with that as well. If somebody was that wrong for you where you don't even feel the need to send them a bye-bye text, which is also a concept I've never understood, yeah, you're gone forever. You have one shot, bye-bye. I don't care if they get buckle fat removal.

I don't care if they go get their GED. You can't come crawling back. Really? Not even the GED? Not even the GED. What does that say? You learn how to take a test. That's a good point. Not navigate the world. What's that got to do with me? I guess that's a good point. Don't wait for the right time to break up with somebody. I wish I could. Think it's compassionate to wait until January 2nd to dump them? No. It shows you're planning to do it all through the holidays. That's true. I get the point of that one, and I think that it's probably right. Yeah, that one is a little too tricky to put into stone. If you're dating an adult, you should own lube. I guess I agree with that. Sure. It could be the thing that keeps you from having sex. That's a good point. That's a good point. That's bad. You don't want to present walls. No, no. don't don't don't don't don't don't what i don't even know what you're talking about i saw where that was going if your friend let me stop you right there if your friend is dating somebody you seriously object to you have one shot to sit your pal down and say so i prefer the other method where i sort of talk behind their back for eight to ten years so their relationship slowly erodes on its own and then at the end you say bro I told you so. Yeah, like, what do you mean, dude? How did you not see this coming? Yeah, this is crazy. The thought of sitting down and doing that. Also, who has ever done that? Unless it's, like, atrocious. I've done that. No, you have not. I have, 1,000%. Actually, you are the friend that would do that. For some reason, people take shit like that from you, like, in a way that is impressive. Like, I'm saying they want to hear it from you. They don't want to hear it from me. They just be like, you're a dick. Well, I guess there's no such thing as bad objections, only bad objectors, Chris. Of course, yeah, and I'm a bad objector. Moving forward, don't describe TikTok that's more boring than describing dreams, 1,000%. It's tough to resist the urge to only describe a dream if it is truly sick. No, when you did that to me on the mic, I was stunned that you had made such an error. See, you were stunned. Only describe TikToks or dreams when they're absolutely sick.

A gift randomly is something I obviously back fully. I think it's really nice if you see something that reminds you of someone to buy it for them and give it to them. I mean, obviously within reason. You know what I mean? It can't be a car. I guess it could be. Chris is a great random gifter. I give you gifts all the time because I see stuff that I want. It makes me think of TJ and I get it for you because who doesn't need a wooden sign that says gone? You know what I mean? It's like that's something that's really necessary for you to have in the studio. And also you're giving somebody the gift of content. That's a good point. Because every time somebody gives me a gift, even if I just throw it away five minutes later, it's still going on the stories, and I'm still going to get 48 people going. Brands, you hear that? You sent Jason another bear brick. It's going right in the trash, but at least he took a picture of it. He might not even post it. No, no, no. I still have that bear brick in the closet on ice. I'm just waiting for the market. Bubble to unpop itself. I don't know. That might never happen, but I'm praying for you. If you're real friends, you accommodate the most COVID careful among you, I'm all set on this. If somebody says to you in the middle of winter in New York, two years after this matter, that they want to sit outside at a restaurant, I ain't sitting outside at a restaurant. Sorry. Yeah, the same list. I think later on it will say, You shouldn't have to accommodate the most food allergy or dietary restriction amongst the food group, but the most COVID careful amongst you. I mean, obviously. you know, you can die from a peanut allergy as well as COVID related causes. But I'm going to say, I think if you're, I'm going to say you have to lean more on the food allergy side of things where it's just like there, if you know you have a friend who is super COVID careful, like there's some things that you invite them to and there's some things that you don't. Yeah. Some things you don't. I also think that if you're, I just think that you don't really have friends like that unless you're like that too. You know what I mean? Like I don't have a single.

I don't have a single friend like that. I can't think of one person. You've removed those people from your life? They've removed me. I mean, I have a couple people. They've removed me, probably. No way. They removed themselves. I didn't have to do anything. They got the hint. Honestly, you're proud of them. You're like, you know what? You got it. Way to have that get up, go up and get them attitude. But, I mean, that one time a year when you have to, like, drink orange wine in a park in a semicircle with your blankets and your dogs and someone's fat kid. That's when you invite the COVID careful motherfucker and they're going to bring a... Beautiful display of tin fish. Not anymore. Not anymore. Whatever. I can't. I can't. If you've met someone and they clearly don't remember your name. Hi, we've met. I'm X. I agree with this 100%. I hate when people are like, we've met before. Don't give me attitude. I meet a lot of people and you're obviously not memorable. Let's keep it 1000. Let's keep it 1000. Yeah, that's textbook. Who's the joke on lady? I want to talk about this one. Never answer compliment with a compliment. This is something that I only see on reality TV. If you watch any of the real. housewives franchises these women absolutely hate each other every time they walk into a room oh my god you look amazing oh my god you look amazing and they just go back and forth like that for a full minute because they hate each other so much they don't know what else to say it's very uh it's giving publicity yeah very much so it makes me very uncomfortable i think this is a real rule to live by yeah i mean but but also never answer you have to be like oh my god thanks so much i appreciate it versus like hey You get a haircut. It looks really good. Thanks. Yeah, that's true. You can't do that. Yeah, you can't give them the one. You got to give them something. I agree. But you can never be like, no, I like your hair. Yeah. No, your hair looks good. I agree. No, your hair looks good. It could go on for too long. It's okay to ask how to say someone's name. Yeah, sure. I do that constantly. All the time. All the time. I would prefer to mispronounce it as a sign of disrespect, but I guess this is the better way to do it. If someone mispronounces a word, but you knew what they meant, move along. Absolutely agree. This is along the same lines of people correcting grammar on Twitter, that era, that I think is... Actually, you don't have to say the word of after you say myriad. It's built into it. Like, okay, great. Have fun jacking off alone tonight. This doesn't...

This doesn't matter. The proper response to being told something you already know isn't I know. It's you're right. I think I know. I like that. I like that. I like it, but I think it depends on who the person is. If you're trying to be a dick, I know is great. If you're not, you're right is great. They both work. The problem for me is I can't say you're right in a sincere way. We know. We know. You have some challenges. So everyone knows. So my version of that is always like, that is correct. You know, it can't come out not condescending. But you saying that is correct, yeah, it does sound like an asshole move. And that's correct, too. Very good. Don't ask people how they got COVID 1,000%. I hate when people ask how you got food poisoning. Oh, yeah, it's crazy. How you got COVID. Yeah. How you got anything, because number one, the answer doesn't matter. And number two, you never know the answer. No, of course not. There's no, nobody knows the answer. And even if you did, if you could pay some man $1,000 and he'll be like, You got food poisoning not from this quesadilla, but it was actually from the lettuce on the torta that you had last night in Oaxaca. No one's going to be like, oh, thank God. Now I can cure my disease. Thank you for letting me know. Thank you for letting me know. You also can't ask people. um why they're wearing a mask you don't have to ask them i can you can trust me i know why you're wearing a mask they're wearing a mask because they they don't want to infect other people around them with the sickness that they have does not have to be covered related and i i like it i like seeing it nowadays if somebody is like i'm sick but i have to go outside in the world yeah that's i'm glad that's what you think i'm glad you think that's why they're wearing it that's cute uh when casually ask how you are say good i could not agree with this more Don't tell me you're doing bad. I don't care. I'm only asking this as a nicety. I don't actually want to know the answer. So just tell me good or something funny. Do not tell me what's actually going on. That's boring. I agree with that. And it also reminds me of one pet peeve of mine that I have. Don't ask somebody. Don't say how are you as a greeting because how are you is a question. Good point. So don't say how are you to a person and not expect them to ask.

how are you back yeah just out of pure manners and then not give them an answer this is if you want to just say hello just say hello yeah no this is a good point um Never ask someone their nationality if you want to know their ethnicity. Okay, now we're picking hair. Accents aren't cute. That's absolutely untrue. And also, who's ever described accents as cute? Everyone's just like... They're not cute. They're cool. They're cool and fun to imitate to the people's faces no matter if they like it or not. That's the hands down on that. And Jason, I will continue. Yeah, I don't really see anyone who... Could you imagine going up to someone and being like, your accent's so cute. No one's ever said that. I'm sure every photographer on Raya says it to another Australian bikini model. If you bring up astrology and it isn't meant enthusiastically, change the topic. Yeah, I mean, I live by that. I agree. Nobody disagrees. Actually, it's great to talk about the weather. I mean... I'm not opposed to talking about the weather. I don't know if it needs the stigma that it has, like it's such an awful topic. I still think Netflix is worse, but we're all going to do that, of course. Weather doesn't have much fat to chew on, but it'll get the door open. It's just a conduit to get a convo started. It's an icebreaker, but you're not done. Okay, this is a good one. Don't address two or more women as ladies. Jason, you're a promoter. How do you handle this one? Because this is something, when you're kind of... ushering a group to the table they're wearing their body cons they bought one bottle of vu for an exaggerated price what would you call them i would say right this way they thems okay and then i would kind of put my hand on the small of all of their non-binary backs and guide them to their exactly just push them that way for me on this one i think that any i think that not all groups of women are created equal and i think that i can tell you know i can i can guess pretty well whether or not this group of women will enjoy or not enjoy being called ladies typically if somebody's older than me if like there's two women who are older than me they're not going to be offended if i say you know like have a good night ladies or ladies after you or something like that like as long as you don't say like ladies yeah i don't think i think it's a i think it's a tonality issue um i i agree uh never ask anyone what their job is okay

Well, fuck you, dude. Like, of course it works. It's classist and boring. At some point, I mean, because the word never is a strong word. At some point, you were going, like, if you're like, hey, you know, I'm so glad that you said yes when I proposed to you last month. Our wedding's coming up. I know that I'm not supposed to ask what your job is, but, like. Is it cool if you give me a hint about what you're in? Of course, at some point, you're going to ask somebody what your job is. It's not classist or boring. I think what someone does for a living says a lot about who they are in a lot of ways. I think that applies to the very first time you meet someone. It's nice to be like, oh, hey, where are you from? What do you like to do? Versus like, what's your career? Oh, that's worse than mine. I'm going to go somewhere else. Don't do that. I think that's what they're probably meaning. But they just didn't describe that with all the words. We can't. Jason, we have a lot more of these. We're never going to get through all this. Should I? I'll just skim through then. Always wink. I agree. I wink a lot. Absolutely psycho. You definitely don't. That's one of the weirdest things on this list. This is the only one that you'll like. And also a funny one because sometimes they're signed by the author and sometimes they're anonymous. Don't touch the small of my back or move me around at a bar. If you're ugly. Yeah, exactly. Which is just one of those funny things. It is truly true. Because if you touch the small of someone's back and they turn around and it's a Jon Hamm type, things are going to be okay. Male or female. Oh, not going ham mode. White people should not use any variation of racial slurs at karaoke. Of course not. We all can do the clean version. It's not that hard. Of course. I still don't think the Jay-Z Kanye song is called Friends in Paris, though. I'll tell you that right now. After high school. You're not allowed to be a birthday diva. I wish some people in my life knew that. If you plan a birthday trip, aggressively message that people shouldn't feel obligated to come. Weddings, too, Jason. Just something to think about. Okay. Wait, this one, white people should always clearly pronounce 50 Cent. He's not fitty for you. My question to you, New York Magazine, does that mean black people always have to pronounce him as 50 Cent? I think no one should say 50 Cent is my thing. Of course not. And also, is it 2004?

Or 2024. I don't understand that one either. I don't understand that one. You can recover from misgendering somebody. Wrong! It's fine to use COVID as an excuse to get out of almost anything. This is... No. No, we don't. No, you don't. Just say, I don't want to go. Like, that's a time where it's like, oh, can you... No, I don't want to go. Why lie? Then you have to pretend you're sick. Like, it's crazy. Like, also, COVID doesn't even make you sick. You're, like, coughing a little bit. It's fine. Like, what do you mean? But the thing about this list... that is shocking to me is that and this is what New York Magazine has kind of turned into in some ways is like I don't know if like this is something that's so um this is so easy to put together this is very a very simple thing you know you know exactly what this is going to do it's going to get people talking on the internet and that's the only goal is to get clicks and it feels like they've been doing a little more of this uh than they used to the same way restaurants are putting more burgers on the menu it's in Everyone likes it. Everyone's fine with it. Everyone consumes it. Everyone wants more of it, at least for now. Between this and Nepo Babies, I think they know what they're doing and it's clearly working. From a journalistic perspective, it's neither here nor there, but I think it's doing what they intended to do, which is get people talking and clicking. Those ad dollars can roll in. Obviously, I want any print magazine to continue. I'm not going to listen to New York Magazine tell me how to tip my barista because they probably don't even pay their writers enough to tip 15%. That's why they have to live in Bed-Stuy. So I don't really know. I think a lot of this stuff fits into a category that I'm seeing more often that as we get older and then we are becoming twice the age of people who are now entering this world of... white people twitter who uh of people who have jobs where they don't need jobs things that seem normal and commonplace to you like public domain information that we should all know if you were raised even halfway decently by two humans or one human yes as long as you weren't like a feral creature growing up in the swamp where the crawdads sing you should all know all this stuff but you have to sort of repackage it

For people who are born in a time where the only way they can learn is by infographics or TikToks or stories or like, I need to learn how to pronounce. Yeah, no, it's true. Say long by two 19 year old back flippers on TikTok because now I know about luxury. Most of these back flippers, most of these things are no, but you're right. Most of these things are kind of common sense or maybe like a slight extension of common sense. But it or it's a repackaging and a re. selling back to you of information that you should already know just in a, you know, except now this information has been designed by an agency. It's just like the infographic, you know, everyone complaining about like, you know, buy a font on fisk.com. And now I'm getting the clicks, baby. It's low-hanging fruit, but, you know, God bless them. It worked on us, God damn it. It worked. It worked. And we have to talk about it because of the – It's true. And no one knows how to behave. The only one – it's not in front of me right now, but the one about obviously not FaceTiming, talking on the phone in public. Last night, Al and I were at a dessert establishment, and there was a guy in front of us in line, of course, wearing a mask, a Canada goose jacket with the fur. He's FaceTiming someone and giving them a full tour. of the entire restaurant to have them choose out their sweet treat. And he cut us in line. He's got no headphones on, of course. He cuts us in line, and I'm like, bro, we were next. And he doesn't even look up from his phone. He just kind of steps behind us and continues to... hold the phone as close as he can to a piece of cake so the idiot on the other side could see the sugar granules. It's insane the way people behave. And they know not what they do is the problem. They don't care. The thing is, I think people are so oblivious now that they think everyone behaves like them. You know what I mean? I think that's the thing. People are so lost in their own world and their own phone that they just go about life not realizing that they're not...

kind of adhering to the social contracts that we all enter into when we exit our home. Hey, man, when they go out into the real world, that is the metaverse for them, you know? When you say it like that. It's a place that doesn't exist. That's true. That's true. I wanted to ask you something on the air just quickly as the Grammy Awards are tonight. Do you mind if I – could I kind of get your Paramount Plus password so I could watch them? Is it on Paramount? Yeah. I'm a peacocker. Oh, I thought you were Paramount Plus. You're a peacocker? Yeah. No, because my YouTube TV subscription that I pay for, you can't change locations. So it only works in LA, and I can only change it twice a year. I'm like, I should just have cable. This doesn't make any sense. I smell like broken here. I know. It's really upsetting. I think the Grammys are streaming live on Grammys.com. I can't wait to see. Oh, well, then that's fine. I can't wait to see DJ Khaled and Jay-Z's performance. I'm sure that's going to be dripping with swag, as they say. Can't wait to check that out. But, yeah, who knows? Maybe somebody will take home a surprise award. Who knows? I'm going to be tuned in, though. I'm sure you are, too. Yeah, I mean, for the Jay-Z and DJ Khaled, it'll be... It's anyone's guess who will win the award for worst knees out of the two. I was about to say. Tune in tonight and find out. They're both going to come out in wheelchairs and not like the cool Snoop Dogg time that he did that because he was on trial for murder. It's going to be more like I kind of had to have something. It was the case that they gave him. He had to have something worked on. I kind of had a knee surgery. I'm excited to watch the Grammys tonight, actually, even though. Even though my partner is going to dinner with a friend tonight. At horses. This is a missed opportunity for you and I to be watching the award show together, having some pizza. I'm saying. Is it a pizza night? We'll be able to recap on the show next week. We've got a couple good guests coming up this week. Oh, do we? Yeah, I'm going to get you some amazing manners lessons. We're going to kind of reteach you everything that you didn't learn. This is the real etiquette. Yeah, actually, that's interesting. We're having a true-life etiquette expert deemed as such by a streaming network. How Long Gone Cotillion Week. Yeah, it's How Long Gone Cotillion with a refined, beautiful, well-spoken expert.

on the matter um and hopefully jason doesn't do anything to offend uh or or you know kind of make it go sideways when he's kind of being told that he's always been using the wrong form i wish you told me we had guests coming over i would have brought my soup spoon out from storage for the polishing but okay My soup spoon isn't polished, but I will tuck my napkin into my shirt to make sure none drip on my button up. But, yeah, okay. So we're back with podcasts. We're happy to be back in the USA. Thank you, all of our friends in London, all of our friends in Stockholm. We're finally back to podcasting as normal from frigid NYC and beautiful Glendale. So, you know, the world is right now. And if you see me in the sauna. Give me a unique, if you want to suck this, you got to do better, guys. You got to do better. That's, yeah. Okay. That's it. If you want to suck this, you got to do better. How long gone? Thank you. Thank you for listening, and we'll talk to you guys next week. Ciao. Later.